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#1 Red Baron

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:19 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House passed legislation Wednesday to give hundreds of thousands of foreign-born youngsters brought to the country illegally a shot at legal status, a fleeting victory for an effort that appears doomed in the Senate.

The so-called Dream Act, which passed the House 216-198, has been viewed by Hispanic activists and immigrant advocates as a downpayment on what they had hoped would be broader action by President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress to give the nation's 10 million to 12 million undocumented immigrants a chance to gain legal status
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I really had hoped that the Dems would not be this stupid (and please, let's keep the partisan crap to a minimum, because more than 36 Dems opposed it, while 8 Republicans supported it). There is no single issue that our politicians are oblivious on than illegals. Bad enough we have an illegal enabler as governor. To give them nationwide amnesty would ruin us for sure. Jobs are scarce now- think these "youngsters" are going to want to mow grass for $1.50 an hour when they grow up?

The only thing I do like about the coming preponderance of white-bread Republicans in the House and Senate is that amnesty for illegals is dead for at least 2 years.


http://www.baltimore...,0,326951.story
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:28 PM

The "Dream Act" offends me on grounds of basic fairness-- and the insult to my social class. It discriminates against illegals who want to be auto mechanics, master electrians, shop-owners, etc.

One could make a case that we don't need anyone to do those jobs. Fine. Then state that citizen status shall only be granted to college graduates in engineering, biotech, primary-care physician, etc, or those pursuing the career of secondary math/science teacher. (We already have a surfeit of lawyers and MBA's, thank you.)
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:40 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House passed legislation Wednesday to give hundreds of thousands of foreign-born youngsters brought to the country illegally a shot at legal status, a fleeting victory for an effort that appears doomed in the Senate.

The so-called Dream Act, which passed the House 216-198, has been viewed by Hispanic activists and immigrant advocates as a downpayment on what they had hoped would be broader action by President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress to give the nation's 10 million to 12 million undocumented immigrants a chance to gain legal status
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I really had hoped that the Dems would not be this stupid (and please, let's keep the partisan crap to a minimum, because more than 36 Dems opposed it, while 8 Republicans supported it). There is no single issue that our politicians are oblivious on than illegals. Bad enough we have an illegal enabler as governor. To give them nationwide amnesty would ruin us for sure. Jobs are scarce now- think these "youngsters" are going to want to mow grass for $1.50 an hour when they grow up?

The only thing I do like about the coming preponderance of white-bread Republicans in the House and Senate is that amnesty for illegals is dead for at least 2 years.


http://www.baltimore...,0,326951.story


You do know Susan Collins cut a deal and gave the Dems the 60th vote. She wants 4 days of debate.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 11:11 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House passed legislation Wednesday to give hundreds of thousands of foreign-born youngsters brought to the country illegally a shot at legal status, a fleeting victory for an effort that appears doomed in the Senate.

The so-called Dream Act, which passed the House 216-198, has been viewed by Hispanic activists and immigrant advocates as a downpayment on what they had hoped would be broader action by President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress to give the nation's 10 million to 12 million undocumented immigrants a chance to gain legal status
.

I really had hoped that the Dems would not be this stupid (and please, let's keep the partisan crap to a minimum, because more than 36 Dems opposed it, while 8 Republicans supported it). There is no single issue that our politicians are oblivious on than illegals. Bad enough we have an illegal enabler as governor. To give them nationwide amnesty would ruin us for sure. Jobs are scarce now- think these "youngsters" are going to want to mow grass for $1.50 an hour when they grow up?

The only thing I do like about the coming preponderance of white-bread Republicans in the House and Senate is that amnesty for illegals is dead for at least 2 years.

http://www.baltimore...,0,326951.story


We are losing our country to pandering politicians. California just declared a state of emergency due to the budget shortfall of $159 Billion.

Guess where the most illegals are?

I honestly think it may be too late.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 11:16 PM

The budget shortfall in the PRCa, secondary to out of control socialist spending, will be $25.9 billion in the next 1.5 years. Thankfully, the parasite Libs will have to suck that blood from someone else as we will be out of this fiscal hellhole of a state by then.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 11:38 PM

The Dream Act is a disaster. This amnesty (The Dream Act) is not just about teenagers and children but about every illegal alien up to age 30 who is willing to claim having been brought illegally to the U.S. before age 16. It is estimated that 2 million illegal aliens would actually qualify and that millions more might get the amnesty through fraud.



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Posted 08 December 2010 - 11:55 PM

Right or wrong it has but one benefit, it will ensure the Democratic Party for years to come.

The down side is it will help Hispanics to become more influential than African Americans. It will put them on the fast track to become the majority minority.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 12:58 AM

Right or wrong it has but one benefit, it will ensure the Democratic Party for years to come.

The down side is it will help Hispanics to become more influential than African Americans. It will put them on the fast track to become the majority minority.


Agree, re: Democratic Party voter.

You notice, the illegal alien children who choose to follow their fathers into construction-- an area of the economy that is still lightly regulated at the federal level, ie, a place where a poor man can still DREAM of starting his own business, someday-- are left out of the mix. Yet, someone wanting to major in "identitiy studies" in college is included.

The REAL danger to the Democratic Party is a bunch of construction trucks with "Martinez & Sons" emblazoned on the side. Once the "hispanic vote" starts making payroll, and dealing with the convolutions of the tax law & regulations, it will quickly turn against the "we want a hand-out" class.

(We should note that Cuban-Americans are not "authentic" hispanics, as they descend from a middle-class that fled when Castro decided to confiscate... er... "redistribute" their property.)

It's better, for the Democratic Party, to "privilege" young hispanics who want to get a degree in "identity studies," and then move on to "civil-rights lawyer" status, with an eye to getting a good job with the government. The hispanic guy who bought himself a cement-pumper truck so he could strike out on his OWN represents a clear and present danger to the Democratic Party.

That's why those hispanics-- the ones who want to start a business, instead of going to college-- have been eliminated from the special privilges contained in the "Dream Act." They get nada, under this bill.

And, yeah, my opinion is colored by own socio-economic status. I was born blue-collar, and I still feel blue-collar. Hubby did right well by our family, starting out with nothing but a blue-collar work-ethic and building himself a "niche" in the construction/remodelling trade. He has many satisfied customers, and he didn't need an expensive degree to do it.

I purely LOVE seeing a construction truck with an hispanic name emblazoned on the side... that's how new Americans move themselves into the "mainstream.''

Why should The Law privilege "college" over, "I'm going to work hard, and use the carpentry skills my father taught me to OWN MY OWN BUSINESS, someday?"

IMHO, the Dream Act is a slap in the face of blue-collar America by an elitist class that waves its advanced degrees as some kind of "divine right." We should slap it down just on the basis of its unvarnished elitism.
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Posted 09 December 2010 - 02:35 AM

Agree, re: Democratic Party voter.

You notice, the illegal alien children who choose to follow their fathers into construction-- an area of the economy that is still lightly regulated at the federal level, ie, a place where a poor man can still DREAM of starting his own business, someday-- are left out of the mix. Yet, someone wanting to major in "identitiy studies" in college is included.

The REAL danger to the Democratic Party is a bunch of construction trucks with "Martinez & Sons" emblazoned on the side. Once the "hispanic vote" starts making payroll, and dealing with the convolutions of the tax law & regulations, it will quickly turn against the "we want a hand-out" class.

(We should note that Cuban-Americans are not "authentic" hispanics, as they descend from a middle-class that fled when Castro decided to confiscate... er... "redistribute" their property.)

It's better, for the Democratic Party, to "privilege" young hispanics who want to get a degree in "identity studies," and then move on to "civil-rights lawyer" status, with an eye to getting a good job with the government. The hispanic guy who bought himself a cement-pumper truck so he could strike out on his OWN represents a clear and present danger to the Democratic Party.

That's why those hispanics-- the ones who want to start a business, instead of going to college-- have been eliminated from the special privilges contained in the "Dream Act." They get nada, under this bill.

And, yeah, my opinion is colored by own socio-economic status. I was born blue-collar, and I still feel blue-collar. Hubby did right well by our family, starting out with nothing but a blue-collar work-ethic and building himself a "niche" in the construction/remodelling trade. He has many satisfied customers, and he didn't need an expensive degree to do it.

I purely LOVE seeing a construction truck with an hispanic name emblazoned on the side... that's how new Americans move themselves into the "mainstream.''

Why should The Law privilege "college" over, "I'm going to work hard, and use the carpentry skills my father taught me to OWN MY OWN BUSINESS, someday?"

IMHO, the Dream Act is a slap in the face of blue-collar America by an elitist class that waves its advanced degrees as some kind of "divine right." We should slap it down just on the basis of its unvarnished elitism.


I too caught the bias against blue collar workers inherent in this legislation. If the DREAM is to put the children of illegal immigrants onto the path of earning citizenship why are the only acceptable ways through college and military service?

As you say - what about those who go into construction, or any other field that doesn't require a college degree? What about those who physically cannot join the military? Or those not mentally qualified to go into college? What about the retarded and disabled?

If one child of an illegal is worth of a chance at citizenship - then ALL of them are. And that's where it falls apart.

That said I don't think this country should be making it easier to earn citizenship for illegals than legal immigrants. I have friends who have become citizens (or are in the process of doing so) the hard way, the legal way. The DREAM act is an insult to them.
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Posted 09 December 2010 - 05:17 AM

Right or wrong it has but one benefit, it will ensure the Democratic Party for years to come.

The down side is it will help Hispanics to become more influential than African Americans. It will put them on the fast track to become the majority minority.


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Posted 09 December 2010 - 05:41 AM

The CBO says the DREAM Act would cut the deficit by $1.4 billion, but why hand Obama and the American people a victory when its much more fun to just whine about it.
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Posted 09 December 2010 - 06:43 AM

Right or wrong it has but one benefit, it will ensure the Democratic Party for years to come.

The down side is it will help Hispanics to become more influential than African Americans. It will put them on the fast track to become the majority minority.

Don't here blacks complaining

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 06:47 AM

So, if you came here illegally, went to school here illegally, you get a prize rather than being prosecuted? As for cutting the deficit. I really doubt it. Considering they went to school on other peoples tax money they have actually raised the deficit.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 06:55 AM

So, if you came here illegally, went to school here illegally, you get a prize rather than being prosecuted? As for cutting the deficit. I really doubt it. Considering they went to school on other peoples tax money they have actually raised the deficit.

They will get no aid for college

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:16 AM

When a 5 year old comes over here illegally with their parents how guilty are they?

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:22 AM

When a 5 year old comes over here illegally with their parents how guilty are they?

They should have crawled back across the boarder

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:23 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House passed legislation Wednesday to give hundreds of thousands of foreign-born youngsters brought to the country illegally a shot at legal status, a fleeting victory for an effort that appears doomed in the Senate.

The so-called Dream Act, which passed the House 216-198, has been viewed by Hispanic activists and immigrant advocates as a downpayment on what they had hoped would be broader action by President Barack Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress to give the nation's 10 million to 12 million undocumented immigrants a chance to gain legal status
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I really had hoped that the Dems would not be this stupid (and please, let's keep the partisan crap to a minimum, because more than 36 Dems opposed it, while 8 Republicans supported it). There is no single issue that our politicians are oblivious on than illegals. Bad enough we have an illegal enabler as governor. To give them nationwide amnesty would ruin us for sure. Jobs are scarce now- think these "youngsters" are going to want to mow grass for $1.50 an hour when they grow up?

The only thing I do like about the coming preponderance of white-bread Republicans in the House and Senate is that amnesty for illegals is dead for at least 2 years.


http://www.baltimore...,0,326951.story



I bet it will be passed on Jan 2...
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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:24 AM

The Dream Act is nothing but disguised amnesty for the the 12 million illegal criminals here already.

It is akin to the putting the frog in warm water and then slowly letting it get to boiling. The frog has no clue to what is coming.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:25 AM

So, if you came here illegally, went to school here illegally, you get a prize rather than being prosecuted? As for cutting the deficit. I really doubt it. Considering they went to school on other peoples tax money they have actually raised the deficit.


They will get no aid for college


Mike, stop doing that. It makes them crazy.


Now lets talk about the ones who fight for this country. They should be sent back to Mexico after putting their lives on the line for our country. Stay on your asses and say you are better Americans than they are.
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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:25 AM

The Dream Act is nothing but disguised amnesty for the the 12 million illegal criminals here already.

It is akin to the putting the frog in warm water and then slowly letting it get to boiling. The frog has no clue to what is coming.


Even the ones who fight in a war for this country?
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