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Ten Ravens Who I Don't Expect Will Be Back in 2011

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1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough

(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut

(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance

(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.

(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody

(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid

(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere

(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft

(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues

(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

 

What you say??B)

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Heap will have the option to come back at a reduced rate

Mason comes back if we do not win it all

Washington is a free agent

Reed is questionable

Gregg gone

Stallworth will be a free agent

Bulger tests the market

Redding comes back

Gaither might be back on a one year deal (Ravens could do worse than put say a transition tag on him for a year)

Yanda might be given the money

 

Other guys I would watch

Carr is a free agent

Wilson is a free agent

McClain might find more money else where with a bigger role

Housh is gone

Chester is proving himself ineffective and very well could be gone

At least 1 of the 3 in McClain, Ellerbe, Gooden will be gone

Landry might out price himself (this will depend on what Ed does)

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Wasn't Ed just talking about getting an extension with the team? I know the injuries are a problem but Ed recently said that this is the healthiest he has felt in years. I think Haloti, Carr, McClain, and Yanda should be our free agent priorities.

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Heap will have the option to come back at a reduced rate

Mason comes back if we do not win it all

Washington is a free agent

Reed is questionable

Gregg gone

Stallworth will be a free agent

Bulger tests the market

Redding comes back

Gaither might be back on a one year deal (Ravens could do worse than put say a transition tag on him for a year)

Yanda might be given the money

 

Other guys I would watch

Carr is a free agent

Wilson is a free agent

McClain might find more money else where with a bigger role

Housh is gone

Chester is proving himself ineffective and very well could be gone

At least 1 of the 3 in McClain, Ellerbe, Gooden will be gone

Landry might out price himself (this will depend on what Ed does)

I can't imagine Ellerbe coming back. Good follow up and interesting thoughts .. ty:cool:

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I would give Gaither whatever kind of deal as far as money (not guaranteed money) is concerned that he wanted. I would make 85% of his salary incentive laden, with playing time, pro-bowls, maybe even rushing totals worked in as incentives. That way if he takes the lazy route or feigns injury (like some have suggested) he can be paid accordingly. Could something like this be a real option, or am I reaching? Just an idea, I'm not a salary ninja like Ravor, or expert of any kind. Ideas? Corrections? Is this just a silly misguided idea? I have thick skin. :-)

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I would give Gaither whatever kind of deal as far as money (not guaranteed money) is concerned that he wanted. I would make 85% of his salary incentive laden, with playing time, pro-bowls, maybe even rushing totals worked in as incentives. That way if he takes the lazy route or feigns injury (like some have suggested) he can be paid accordingly. Could something like this be a real option, or am I reaching? Just an idea, I'm not a salary ninja like Ravor, or expert of any kind. Ideas? Corrections? Is this just a silly misguided idea? I have thick skin. :-)

 

Gaither and Rosenhaus will not go for that.

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Gaither and Rosenhaus will not go for that.

 

Probably not, I was thinking it all the way down to incentives given depending on which side of the line he plays on in any given day. That way he'll play and compete to get back on the left. Like 6 years worth potentially 60 million, or as low as 15 million. I actually think all contracts should be structured similarly to this. That way over performers and under performers get paid accordingly in any given year.

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Isn't a lot of this moot, depending upon what happens with the NFLPA negotiations? Even if they do reach an agreement, wouldn't the new CAP (or lack of one :eek:), possible 18 game season, roster size and a bunch of other terms have a significant impact on how the Ravens and every other team structure themselves?

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1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough

(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut

(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance

(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.

(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody

(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid

(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere

(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft

(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues

(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

 

What you say??B)

 

Why would they let Yanda go, and keep that 98 lb. weakling Chris Chester? I hope I never see Chester in a Ravens uniform after this year. Keep Yanda at RG, so he can open up some holes for the backs

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1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough

(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut

(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance

(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.

(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody

(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid

(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere

(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft

(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues

(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

 

What you say??B)

 

1) Doubt Heap retires. He has returned from far worse injuries. Doubt the Ravens ask him to take a pay cut either. He is very affordable for what we are paying him next year.

 

2) I agree. I could see him retiring and then unretiring in June though.

 

3) He's a Free Agent, so he won't be cut

 

4) I'd say it's less than a 50% chance that Reed retires

 

5) I agree that Gregg is gone, regardless of how ready Cody is.

 

6) Again, Stallworth is a free agent, so he cannot be cut. I would say we have an above 50% chance of bringing him back in 2011.

 

7) Bulger will be 34 years old next year and hasn't had a good year in half a decade. I think he understands that a starting job is unlikely at this point (and don't tell me that Arizona wants him to be their starter). So another 3 million to ride the pine sounds like a good option for him. It's probably less than 50% that he is back with us next year, but I don't think it's a remote as some of you are saying.

 

8) ZERO CHANCE that Redding gets cut. His play hasn't been great, but it hasn't been bad either. Considering how affordable he was and that he is under contract for next year, there is little logic as to why you wouldn't bring him back. He can play DT and is servicable as a DE. If the Ravens were paying him $6million to be a stud on their D, I could see cutting him, but they paid him to be a rotating cog on the DL, and he has filled that roll to expectation.

 

9) I'd say it's a less than 33% chance that Gaither is back. I think the Ravens would offer him a contract next year (1 year-$4million or 2 years-$7million), but it won't be near what Gaither wants and that will keep them apart from a contract.

 

10) Yanda, Carr, Wilson, and LeRon are the four pivotal players for the Ravens in the offseason. I'm assuming that Ngata will be back via a new contract or franchise tag. Of the four, one of Carr/Wilson is expendable and I think we can survive without LeRon. After Haloti, Yanda is the main priority. I think the Ravens recognize his value and I'd be surprised if Yanda is gone. I'm far less optimistic about LeRon though.

 

 

Koch and Cundiff are big too.

 

 

If I had to guess, I'd say the players we lose to FA are Jameel McClain, LeRon McClain, Dawan Landry, Chris Chester, and Josh Wilson.

 

I think we keep Carr, Ngata, Stallworth, and Yanda and retain T-Gooden as a RFA.

 

Housh is a wild card. I think if D-Mase retires, he is about 50/50 to be back. If D-mase is back, he's a 10% chance of being back.

 

Zibby and Haruki are tough to project too. Both are RFAs and I can see both being back, especially if #20 hangs up the cleats. However, if Ed returns, I think it will be interesting to see what the Ravens offer both players. Historically, the Ravens have not prioritized safeties in free agency (Kim Herring, Will Demps, Chad Williams, etc)

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1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough

(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut

(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance

(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.

(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody

(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid

(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere

(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft

(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues

(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

 

What you say??B)

 

You got 5,6 and 7 right but they are pretty obvious.

 

Not much else.

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Seems like you guys could use a better fullback, for blocking if nothing else.

 

Getting rid of Stallworth would be a huge mistake, the guy has done nothing but positive when on the field (minus 1 reverse play).

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1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough

(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut

(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance

(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.

(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody

(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid

(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere

(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft

(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues

(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

 

What you say??B)

 

I could see a lot of vets leaning towards retiring deciding to hanging it up. Harbaugh doesn't take care of them and has sucked the life out of this team.

Full pad practice in week 15? You sure are a tough guy Johnny. :rolleyes:

 

No secret Heap doesn't like him which is unfortunate. team is much better with him.

 

Yanda ain't leaving. Letting Jason Brown go was ridiculous but I think they realize Yanda's value. Who knows what Biscotti will do though.

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Housh had the good fortune of being on the Bengals when Chad Johnson was getting double and triple teamed and still making huge plays.

 

He has done little since, and I doubt the Ravens offer him a big pay day in the off season.

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1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough

(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut

(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance

(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.

(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody

(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid

(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere

(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft

(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues

(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

 

What you say??B)

 

Current FA's that I think will be gone:

Chester

Burgess

Gaither

Landry

Moll

Stallworth-unless he signs a cheap contract

Washington

Bulger

 

Heap will stay another year, he's been healthy most of the season and isn't a FA until 2012. I think he's gone than, but he's here for next year.

 

Mason will likely retire, actually more than likely.

 

Reed's here for a while.

 

Gregg, I'm thinking will probably be cut although he did just sign an extension last year for 4 years. He's 34 with severly diminished skills for sure and already getting snaps taken away from him in favor of McKinney and Cody.

 

They'll resign Ngata, Koch and Cundiff all to long term deals. Yanda will get signed also because honestly his value isn't off the charts. He's a RG which is typically the cheapest of your line, probowl or not and I'm thinking they resign him for typical RG money and than move him to the left side after next year and let Grubbs go get a big contract somehwere else to someone overpaying, ala Brown.

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Sadly, I think we may see Ray Lewis on the retirement list as well. I have been a fan of him since he became a Raven but have witnessed his fall from the greatest MLB in football to an average linebacker at best. I hope I am wrong but I think Ray may just call it a career at the end of this season.

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Housh had the good fortune of being on the Bengals when Chad Johnson was getting double and triple teamed and still making huge plays.

 

He has done little since, and I doubt the Ravens offer him a big pay day in the off season.

 

He put up 1000 yard season with a broken down Hasselbeck and an even worse O-Line than the Ravens have in Seattle. He's a very good #2 possesion type receiver who can find the holes in a zone. Great in the slot position. Good enough to give a 3yr deal to and give us time to actually draft someone.

 

Stallworth also should get resigned and be the #3 as we have noone else. Marcus Smith is a bust and nothing more than a gunner. Next years draft will need to focus on WR as we have noone in the pipeline. This years draft we have more pressing needs, so resign TJ and Stall to go alongside Boldin.

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