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Ten Ravens Who I Don't Expect Will Be Back in 2011


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#1 birdwatcher55

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 02:44 PM

1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough
(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut
(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance
(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.
(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody
(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid
(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere
(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft
(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues
(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

What you say??:cool:

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 02:47 PM

Aren't you the "feels like a loss" guy?

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 02:51 PM

Heap will have the option to come back at a reduced rate
Mason comes back if we do not win it all
Washington is a free agent
Reed is questionable
Gregg gone
Stallworth will be a free agent
Bulger tests the market
Redding comes back
Gaither might be back on a one year deal (Ravens could do worse than put say a transition tag on him for a year)
Yanda might be given the money

Other guys I would watch
Carr is a free agent
Wilson is a free agent
McClain might find more money else where with a bigger role
Housh is gone
Chester is proving himself ineffective and very well could be gone
At least 1 of the 3 in McClain, Ellerbe, Gooden will be gone
Landry might out price himself (this will depend on what Ed does)

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 02:53 PM

Yanda is staying. They will pay him.
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Posted 18 December 2010 - 02:56 PM

Wasn't Ed just talking about getting an extension with the team? I know the injuries are a problem but Ed recently said that this is the healthiest he has felt in years. I think Haloti, Carr, McClain, and Yanda should be our free agent priorities.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:00 PM

Ed will stick around.

If they let Stallworth go they're retarded.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:05 PM

Heap will have the option to come back at a reduced rate
Mason comes back if we do not win it all
Washington is a free agent
Reed is questionable
Gregg gone
Stallworth will be a free agent
Bulger tests the market
Redding comes back
Gaither might be back on a one year deal (Ravens could do worse than put say a transition tag on him for a year)
Yanda might be given the money

Other guys I would watch
Carr is a free agent
Wilson is a free agent
McClain might find more money else where with a bigger role
Housh is gone
Chester is proving himself ineffective and very well could be gone
At least 1 of the 3 in McClain, Ellerbe, Gooden will be gone
Landry might out price himself (this will depend on what Ed does)

I can't imagine Ellerbe coming back. Good follow up and interesting thoughts .. ty:cool:

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:05 PM

I would give Gaither whatever kind of deal as far as money (not guaranteed money) is concerned that he wanted. I would make 85% of his salary incentive laden, with playing time, pro-bowls, maybe even rushing totals worked in as incentives. That way if he takes the lazy route or feigns injury (like some have suggested) he can be paid accordingly. Could something like this be a real option, or am I reaching? Just an idea, I'm not a salary ninja like Ravor, or expert of any kind. Ideas? Corrections? Is this just a silly misguided idea? I have thick skin. :-)

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:06 PM

I would give Gaither whatever kind of deal as far as money (not guaranteed money) is concerned that he wanted. I would make 85% of his salary incentive laden, with playing time, pro-bowls, maybe even rushing totals worked in as incentives. That way if he takes the lazy route or feigns injury (like some have suggested) he can be paid accordingly. Could something like this be a real option, or am I reaching? Just an idea, I'm not a salary ninja like Ravor, or expert of any kind. Ideas? Corrections? Is this just a silly misguided idea? I have thick skin. :-)


Gaither and Rosenhaus will not go for that.
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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:15 PM

Gaither and Rosenhaus will not go for that.


Probably not, I was thinking it all the way down to incentives given depending on which side of the line he plays on in any given day. That way he'll play and compete to get back on the left. Like 6 years worth potentially 60 million, or as low as 15 million. I actually think all contracts should be structured similarly to this. That way over performers and under performers get paid accordingly in any given year.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:44 PM

Isn't a lot of this moot, depending upon what happens with the NFLPA negotiations? Even if they do reach an agreement, wouldn't the new CAP (or lack of one :eek:), possible 18 game season, roster size and a bunch of other terms have a significant impact on how the Ravens and every other team structure themselves?

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:44 PM

Don't forget Cundiff. He just hasn't worked out.
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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:46 PM

1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough
(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut
(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance
(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.
(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody
(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid
(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere
(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft
(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues
(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

What you say??:cool:


Why would they let Yanda go, and keep that 98 lb. weakling Chris Chester? I hope I never see Chester in a Ravens uniform after this year. Keep Yanda at RG, so he can open up some holes for the backs

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 03:53 PM

i say keep stalworth, houz and mcclain and hopefully bulger maybe 2nd time around we can get this thing right.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 04:03 PM

My hope is that Mason retires and that they keep Houh and Stallworth - to go with Boldin. Joe needs to be weaned from Mason - he needs to spread the ball around.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 04:05 PM

1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough
(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut
(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance
(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.
(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody
(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid
(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere
(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft
(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues
(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

What you say??:cool:


1) Doubt Heap retires. He has returned from far worse injuries. Doubt the Ravens ask him to take a pay cut either. He is very affordable for what we are paying him next year.

2) I agree. I could see him retiring and then unretiring in June though.

3) He's a Free Agent, so he won't be cut

4) I'd say it's less than a 50% chance that Reed retires

5) I agree that Gregg is gone, regardless of how ready Cody is.

6) Again, Stallworth is a free agent, so he cannot be cut. I would say we have an above 50% chance of bringing him back in 2011.

7) Bulger will be 34 years old next year and hasn't had a good year in half a decade. I think he understands that a starting job is unlikely at this point (and don't tell me that Arizona wants him to be their starter). So another 3 million to ride the pine sounds like a good option for him. It's probably less than 50% that he is back with us next year, but I don't think it's a remote as some of you are saying.

8) ZERO CHANCE that Redding gets cut. His play hasn't been great, but it hasn't been bad either. Considering how affordable he was and that he is under contract for next year, there is little logic as to why you wouldn't bring him back. He can play DT and is servicable as a DE. If the Ravens were paying him $6million to be a stud on their D, I could see cutting him, but they paid him to be a rotating cog on the DL, and he has filled that roll to expectation.

9) I'd say it's a less than 33% chance that Gaither is back. I think the Ravens would offer him a contract next year (1 year-$4million or 2 years-$7million), but it won't be near what Gaither wants and that will keep them apart from a contract.

10) Yanda, Carr, Wilson, and LeRon are the four pivotal players for the Ravens in the offseason. I'm assuming that Ngata will be back via a new contract or franchise tag. Of the four, one of Carr/Wilson is expendable and I think we can survive without LeRon. After Haloti, Yanda is the main priority. I think the Ravens recognize his value and I'd be surprised if Yanda is gone. I'm far less optimistic about LeRon though.


Koch and Cundiff are big too.


If I had to guess, I'd say the players we lose to FA are Jameel McClain, LeRon McClain, Dawan Landry, Chris Chester, and Josh Wilson.

I think we keep Carr, Ngata, Stallworth, and Yanda and retain T-Gooden as a RFA.

Housh is a wild card. I think if D-Mase retires, he is about 50/50 to be back. If D-mase is back, he's a 10% chance of being back.

Zibby and Haruki are tough to project too. Both are RFAs and I can see both being back, especially if #20 hangs up the cleats. However, if Ed returns, I think it will be interesting to see what the Ravens offer both players. Historically, the Ravens have not prioritized safeties in free agency (Kim Herring, Will Demps, Chad Williams, etc)

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 04:06 PM

1) Todd Heap .. retirement... two many injuries; he's had enough
(2) Mason .........retirement....he either retires or he is cut
(3) Washington...cut..............good riddance
(4) Reed............retirement.....this time he means it.
(5) Gregg...........cut..............declining skills. Time for Mt. Cody
(6) Stallworth..... cut..............hello David Reid
(7) Bulger............FA ..............he deserves to compete somewhere
(8) Redding..........cut..............we can do better in the draft
(9) Gaither..........FA...............Health issues
(10).. Yanda.........FA................I have a feeling he's Jason Browne II

What you say??:cool:


You got 5,6 and 7 right but they are pretty obvious.

Not much else.

#18 Captain Silver

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 04:36 PM

I think all the free agents stay, after all, they are updating the Mighty Men Jackets this year.
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Posted 18 December 2010 - 04:40 PM

Willis McGahee won't be back. We've been trying to get rid of him for 2 years and can finally cut him without taking a cap hit.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 04:48 PM

Seems like you guys could use a better fullback, for blocking if nothing else.

Getting rid of Stallworth would be a huge mistake, the guy has done nothing but positive when on the field (minus 1 reverse play).