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I've lost count of the times I've seen that: I'm watching it again.

 

I love the Harker character's response when Muir tells the horse anecdote: he just rolls his eyes & is obviously left w/ the impression that Muir is way past his prime; which, of course, he is not. Ironically, I once declined an invite to see it w/ family in the theater.

 

Yea, and he proved it to them. lol Muir dropped all kinds of clues they didn't

pick up.

 

HARKER also said so you just took it upon your self to broker a deal with the Chinese to exchange Hadley for a political prisoner?

 

MUIR looks over to the Director who looks at him to keep quiet because he

told MUIR to get rid of Hadley so MUIR says, yea, it was just me. He lied

his *** off again.

 

But at the end MUIR finally tells the truth when HARKER asked if he would have told them if he knew Bishop

was breaking her out and he says NO!

 

MUIR signs the non-discloser statement the the Director says aren't you going to read it and MUIR says, read it

a thousand times. MORE BS! He always had an answer for everything.

 

GOOD SHEPERD with Robert Dinero is also just as good. Chilling about how the CIA and KGB countered each

other around the globe and a CIA decides to kill the girl his son is going to marry because she was the mole

who tipped off the KGB about the Bay of Pigs.

 

The KGB agent said, you are going to accept her into your family aren't you? At that time she is being thrown

out of an airplane over the jungle. Matt Daman lost his son, wife and everything over that one.

 

He had to choose who he loved the most - AMERICA or his FAMILY. He chose America.

 

 

Chilling, just chilling.

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Some other cool parts of SPY GAME was when MUIR was training Bishop he

said in the end have something saved up so you can retire someplace where it's warm and don't give the money to anyone.

 

Well in the end MUIR had $282,000 in life savings he was going to spend on a place in the islands but when he got his contacts in Hong Kong to spring the release, the Chinese officlals that were going to turn off all the lights at the prison demanded $300,000 because their lives were on the line.,

 

So MUIRs contact said come on man, it's not like it's your money but it was.

So MURI said $282,000 and not a penny more and they accepted it.

 

When Bishop was on the chopper on the way home he heard the Seal radio

home saying Dinner Out is a success. Bishop said excuse me what operation was that. The Seal said Dinner Out sir and Bishop knew MUIR sprung him after MUIR said in training that if you go off the reservation nobody is coming after you. Bishop just sat back and smiled but he didn't know MUIR spent

his life savings to free him and his girl friend.

 

Bishop had suggested that code name to MUIR during an operation in Beirut years before and MUIR said it was a good one and he'd remember it. He dd.

 

Also, MUIR was in the Director's office getting grilled about Bishop when he got the call from the Seal Commander to see it Dinner Out was a go.

 

The Director said your wife is on the phone. MUIR took the call and said yea,

Dinner Out is a go. HARKENS and the guys were laughing and said no wonder he was married so many times. What kind of way is that to talk to a

wife. MUIR smiled because it was the Seal Commander.

 

The CIA bugged all his phones but not their own phones in the conference

room where he took the call. As MUIR is driving off into the sunset to

parts unknown and someone figured out he only had one wife and she

had died, HARKENS said - then who was he talking to on the phone?

 

Then the director comes back and says there's been an incident in China.

 

:D

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Tommy Boy

The Hangover

Private Ryan

Forrest Gump

The Fugitive

Ground Hog Day

Friday Night Lights (w/ Billy Bob)

Step Brothers

Lethal Weapon I

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My favorite exchange near the end of Spy Game:

 

Muir: "Harry Duncan's an old friend."

Harker: "Aren't they all!"

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Friday Night Lights was a great movie but the TV show sucked.

 

The book was better than all of them.The school got the death sentence.

The administration transferred funds for text books for air line tickets for

the team to fly.

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My favorite exchange near the end of Spy Game:

 

Muir: "Harry Duncan's an old friend."

Harker: "Aren't they all!"

 

 

Yea, and before that Harker said and now Duncan's taken off and nobody

knows where he is.

 

MUIR says - good for Harry. He needs a vacation. LOL.

 

He had an answer for everything but there was one thing MUIR got wrong.

 

There was was line I didn't understand at the time when MUIR asked what sideshow was.

He saw the word on documents laying on the table and it was top secret and everyone

wanted to know how he knew about it. It was in plain sight of him.

 

So the director said we bugged the Chinese for these trade negotiations and MUIR said,

come on, we don't need the Chinese. A deputy said, that's not necesarrily true.

 

Of course now China owns our debt so we did need them but that came after the movie,

I think or it wasn't well known, at least not by me. They now own trillions of our debt.

 

The movie was ahead of its time.

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In relation to your line about MUIR knowing everyone.

 

 

One of the good scenes was edited out but my DVD has cuts of edited scenes.

 

One of the best cut scenes was after MUIR blasted Bishop for falling for Hadley who

set him up. MUIR called her out on it at a restaurant saying she's a terrorist and her

family disowns her. She can't go back home because she blew up the Chinese embassy.

Nobody was supposed to be in it at the time.

 

So of course, Bishop hates MUIR for messing with his personal life and MUIR said Im

doing your homework for you.

 

In the deleted scene they're waiting in the car and Bishop says - you slept with her didn't

you. He could tell by the way Hadley looked at him in the restaurant.

 

Like you said, MUIR knew everyone. They should have kept that scene in.

 

One more cool scene was when Bishop gave MUIR a bottle of cologne for a birth day present,

all wrapped up. Nobody in the world knew when his birth day was but Bishop found out.

 

MUIR says how did you find out. He said MOSAD, KGB, CIA have all different dates for you.

I'm well trained.

 

MUIR opened the gift and said how in the hell did you find a bottle of cologne in bombed out

Beirut?

 

They were eating breakfeast at the time and had to dodge street fighting with machine guns

and other weapons creeping low the entire time.

 

MUIR said this breakfeast better be worth it. As they're eating Mexican food Bishop points to

a speed boat pulling up and it was the terrorist they were trying to kill. Bishop located his

hideout.

 

MUIR was astonsihed.

 

Another cool line was when MUIR told the CIA about Bishop and said we used him as a

photo journalist as a cover in Beirut. He had a good eye and was a great photographer.

 

MUIR said he probably

had a merit badge tucked in his drawer from the boy scouts.

 

When MUIR first met Bishop in Vietnam, Bishop was a sniper and killed a North Vietnamese

General delaying a major offensive.

 

MUIR - I take it you didn't get to be a marksman putting food on your mama's table.

 

Bishop: No, sir. We have a Safeway back home.

 

MUIR: Where'd you leard to shoot?

 

Bishop: Boy scouts, sir.

 

Muir: What, are you kidding me?

 

Tom Bishop: No, sir."

 

 

MUIR told the CIA he got him assigned to a boring desk job in Berlin with nobody that could speak English. When

I knew he couldn't take anymore I made my move.

 

In the mean time I interviewed his mom, his teachers and even his scout master.

 

MUIR TO BISHOP - Things are not as they seem. See that fat guy over there reading the menu? Threat?

 

BISHOP - Only to the waitress.

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...we don't need the Chinese. A deputy said, that's not necesarrily true.

 

Of course now China owns our debt so we did need them but that came after the movie,

I think or it wasn't well known, at least not by me. They now own trillions of our debt. ...

The movie's supposed to take place in 1991. Maybe someone around back then can correct me, but a cornerstone of the Bush I admin. was granting that People's Republic of China "most-favored nation" trade status.

 

It was a big deal, because ever since Nixon'd gone to China in '72, our guys'd been tryna figger out howta have economic ties (really: how to explain that to sweaty, fervent anti-commies) w/ a commie country. We'd had trade w/ China but thru intermediaries like Poland & Israel.

 

In the movie, Muir's right: China really was desperate for recognition by the US of A as an economic equal (in re mfr'ing, etc.); the China wonk was also correct: U.S. businesses were chomping @the bit to get into China markets.

 

Of course, now we know they overdid it: the U.S. gov., thru Congress, Commerce, & State, fronted Wal*Mart et al. billions, which were dutifully forked over to the Chinese, to establish offices in China.

 

Despite incessant whining, whimpering by self-styled right-wingers, crybabies, Rapture-addled loonies, has nothing to do w/ "socialism": U.S. corporations've ALWAYS been willing to get BOHICA'd for profit, by our guys or Chinese guys: "Great! Another quarter! Eff me again!" Our boys just need to get over the la-la land notion that capitalists cannot be corrupt: they haven't been capitalists since the 60s.

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The entire purpose of Nixon recognizing China was to drive a wedge between them and Russia. The two countries were at each other's throats and Russia was pissed at the US recognition of China and warned the US about playing diplomatic games.

Nixon just laughed and considered China his greatest achievement as president and

he would have gone down as one of the greatest because of China and for

ending the Vietnam War were it not for Watergate. Once again, Nixon always

got in the way of himself but that's a different story.

 

Russia had to put nearly a million extra troops along their Manchurian border and moved them from Eastern Europe which weakened their hand there which was another reason for recognizing them and to piss the Soviets off.

 

China demanded and also got Taiwan's seat on the UN's security council as

part of the deal. Taiwan was of course one of our allies in the orient and a lot of Americans were pissed. We stabbed them in the back so maybe the US was

the more desperate of the two countries.

 

Another GOP Prez, George H. Bush, cultivated the Chinese/US relationship during

the 80s when China switched to capitalism that is so strong today but it had

its problems during Tinneman Square when thousands of demonstrators were arrested and killed over human rights but Bush forged the relationship between

the two countries despite that and he wrote a diary that

became a book.

 

 

 

Also, we still had a huge national debt in 88.

 

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-debt-of-the-united-states.htm

 

 

Some people in the US knew China would be a future force in the global economy

and we were going to need them so again, maybe we were the most desperate

of the two because of our debt even back then.

 

So we really did need China in more ways than one even with Bush. The Deputy

was right when he said that's not necessarily true. Read link.

 

That's why China with trade agreement between the US going on is the back

drop to the entire movie of SPY GAME in 1991.

 

http://www.hnn.us/articles/51902.html

 

 

 

Nixon bringing China into the fold has bitten us in the arse.

 

We're now borrowing money from them to pay the President's salary-lol.

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...at the end MUIR finally tells the truth when HARKER asked if he would have told them if he knew Bishop

was breaking her out and he says NO!

 

MUIR signs the non-discloser statement the the Director says aren't you going to read it and MUIR says, read it

a thousand times. MORE BS! ...

Muir tells the truth 3 times by my count: when he admits he underestimated Bishop's affection for Hadley, when he admits he wouldn't've told anyone about Bishop's Su Chou escapade, & when he says he's read that nondisclosure agreement "a thousand times." As a career case officer, he would've had agents & assets he developed sign such an agreement; & he probably read it to them B4 they signed it.

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It was just a figure of speech, more BS from MUIR.

 

I've signed them myself working in security for the gov't. Someone simply gives you a form, you read it word for word and sign it. At APG nobody got into sensitive

areas w/o going thru my office and I ran checks on them including some Russian

Generals that came thru to inspect the dismantling of our weapons according to Reagans treaty.

 

It only takes a min or two depending how fast a reader you are.

 

MUIR was just being a smart a*s once again and he even said it with an irreverant smirk on his face.

 

BTW, after he signs it the last scene shows him driving away in a Porsche 912. I read that Redford requested a Porsche 912 because he had one. Only the best for

Redford, even in the movies-lol. The one he drove in

the movie was auctioned off. The asking price was for $75K but they got $45K for it from what I read.

 

MUIR should have had more than $282K in life savings at his grade and driving a Porsche. That money just might have been a front amount to further confuse his superiors like when he had two maps - one of Jamaica and the other of the Chinese island where the prison was.

They were very similar and when Harkins asked him about it he said, he used Satellite imagry

for his own personal gain since he was moving to Jamaica.

 

Once again he out bluffed them because they couldn't be sure which island it was by looking

at it.

 

 

It was another movie where the veteran actor out-performed the young star - Pitt. Same

thing happened with Pacino outperforming Depp in Donnie Brasco, Gene Hackman outperforming

Will Smith in Enemy of the State and Paul Newman out-performing Tom Cruise in Color of MOney.

 

The master teaches the young star in each case.

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Perhaps you can answer a question I don't get.

 

Remember the party MUIR was at the night Bishop was bringing someone over the Berlin Wall.

 

A woman apprached him and simply said, are you bringing

someone over tonight?

 

MUIR knew then that Bishop was going to be killed and he

called him and told him to dump the guy off. He was a double agent. Just leave him there.

 

Bishop did as ordered but was pissed at MUIR who said I

just saved your life.

 

Then MUIR kills the woman. Harkens brought that up and said weren't you in town when that happened and MUIR said

yea but he didn't have anything to do with it.

 

QUESTION: Why would the woman say that to MUIR?

 

That's all she said and she gave herself and Bishop away.

 

She should have kept her big mouth shut.

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The Godfather 1 & 2

Dr. Strangelove

The Usual Suspects

Pirates of the Carribean (all)

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Perhaps you can answer a question I don't get.

 

Remember the party MUIR was at the night Bishop was bringing someone over the Berlin Wall.

 

A woman apprached him and simply said, are you bringing

someone over tonight? ...She should have kept her big mouth shut.

Remember: "the op. was setting up Ann Cathcart." Wasn't clear to me just what purpose she served @the embassy, but she was the mole & a talker: someone from whom info. could be got.

 

She inquired about "Mrs. Muir," then shrugged & said, "How is it I always say the wrong thing?" Then she inquires about bringing someone over: more wrong thing.

 

Whether Muir had her killed or the Stasi had her killed; doesn't matter: how long does someone that always says the wrong thing last in that business?

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...One more cool scene was when Bishop gave MUIR a bottle of cologne for a birth day present, all wrapped up. Nobody in the world knew when his birth day was but Bishop found out. ...

 

MUIR opened the gift and said how in the hell did you find a bottle of cologne in bombed out Beirut? ...

Was it a bottle of cologne? I thought it was a flask to keep his 12-yr-old scotch ("I thought spies drink martinis." "Scotch: never less than 12 years old.") in; after all, he comes across it again in his office, after Harker's squad's ransacked it.

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Remember: "the op. was setting up Ann Cathcart." Wasn't clear to me just what purpose she served @the embassy, but she was the mole & a talker: someone from whom info. could be got.

 

She inquired about "Mrs. Muir," then shrugged & said, "How is it I always say the wrong thing?" Then she inquires about bringing someone over: more wrong thing.

 

Whether Muir had her killed or the Stasi had her killed; doesn't matter: how long does someone that always says the wrong thing last in that business?

 

 

 

Yea, you're right. Good question and point. The

part about her always being a talker just didn't add

up to me unless like MUIR told Bishop, it's a game

and a game you don't want to lose. She lost.

 

I thought MUIR killed her but it might have been

the other side. In either case, what a dumb b**tch, just like the

b**tch in the Good Sheperd. She was a mole and Matt Damon's

secretary who was supposed to be hard of hearing and wore a hearing

aid. When they had an affair and she got out of bed and was talking to

him she left her aid next to the bed and was still talking to him. He realized

she was a mole and had her killed. Then Damon sent his hearing aid to

his KGB counter part. He's drinking tea and opens the pot and there's her

hearing aid. He knew Damon killed her and was pissed but got even.

 

Damon told one of his agents never to wear his Yale ring, a dead give-away

in the field. He didn't and was killed. The KGB guy cut his finger off with the ring on

on it and mailed it to Matt Damon. He opens a package and sees the finger.

 

Chilling stuff, same with the b**tch in SPY Game.

 

I'll have to watch her lines over again. Like I said,

I always get something new every time I see the flick.

 

Sorry, I thought it was cologne. I think you're right.

It looked like cologne. I'll have to re-watch that line too.

 

I've enjoyed this discussion.

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What did you think about MUIRs $282,000 of his life savings

he spent to free Bishop?

 

Could that have been cover $$ to fool his superiors when they pulled his account and

he had the map of Jamaica which was similar to the Chinese island the prison was on? His superiors thought it was a map of the island but couldn't be sure.

 

A guy that high and driving a Porsche 912 should have had more money t

han that. Same thing happened in Al Pacino's movie, The Recruit. He said he

was a grade 15 and only made $65,000 pr year. These producers never get the

facts straight because at that time a 15 was making over $150,000 plus bonus.

At least my director was. My boss was a 13 and made over $100,000.

 

Hell, I have more savings than that and I'm wasn't a grade

14 or 15 like MUIR.

 

The point of course was, he told Bishop in training to save

enough money to retire some place warm and never give

it to anyone else.

 

In the end he gave it all away to free his friend but I don't believe that was his entire savings?

 

Do you??

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The 6 Star Wars movies

Also always stop when I see an Alien or Terminator movie.

 

I'm with you. To me Terminator 2 is my all time favorite movie, with the possible exception of The Big Lebowski. I'm also Crazy about Pulp Fiction.

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What did you think about MUIRs $282,000 of his life savings ... In the end he gave it all away to free his friend but I don't believe that was his entire savings?

 

Do you??

I was always baffled by that. When we first see his folder on his retirement property, he's got it in his safe; there's also an image of the Bahamas coastline w/ that Post-It on it. So I guess he really was "using company resources for personal benefit."

 

But @the end he calls his finance guru Mitch & tells him to liquidate everything; Mitch counters w/ "Save for a rainy day & all that," so it's apparent that he's not part of the setup & that Muir has @least the $282K w/ him, altho that's exactly what goes into the Cayman acct. Whether Muir has more elsewhere isn't explicit, but I s'pose we could infer from his earlier comments that he still has enough socked away to "die someplace warm."

 

Anyway, it's way evident to me that Muir always had irons in several fires @once (& maybe his lil' tirade w/ Hadley in the restaurant points to that: "How do you keep track of it all?" He wantsta know if anyone's as smart as he is.). Bishop tells Muir that he's (Bishop's) not ending up like him, but Bishop & his woman are sprung from the prison BECAUSE Muir ended up like that.

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Great post. Right on. Yea, he said to liquidate everything and Mitch says there's penalty fees and Muir says everything. Bet he never paid those penalty fees as he got lost and knows how to stay lost. There just had to be other funds somewhere at that grade level or he spent a hell of a lot which is possible.

 

In the end he just didn't want to see Bishop die and was willing to spend his own money on it even after he said nobody is coming after you if you leave the reservation.

 

If he was so smart, why wasn't he one of the Director's deputies in the conference room instead of a mid-level case officer?

 

He definitely used satelite equip for his own personal gain and had that map of

the island which was very similar to the Chinese Island. So the CIA couldn't tell

if he was lying or what. All that was part of the ruse. Then he says with a smirk,

well, this is embarrassing but I've been using equip for my own personal gain

since it is my life's savings. There's that term again - another ruse?

He was never honest with them except for the 3 times you mentioned above.

 

Great comments.

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...If he was so smart, why wasn't he one of the Director's deputies in the conference room instead of a mid-level case officer? ...
Prolly 'cause he was too much of a maverick? A coupla allusions to him & Folger coming up (thru the CIA bureaucracy) together, but Folger's a dep. dir. or something comparable & Muir's his retiring self.

 

I knew a coupla people in the services like that: a Marine major w/ almost 30 yr in (he'd been enlisted); he was about to make LtCol., but would never kiss up to cols. & gens. & so was assigned to raggy-butt Gitmo instead of some cushiony job @Chez 5-Point. I was a dorky Navy JO, but I respected no one more than him. Then there was an Army major: I was still a dorky Navy JO, on my way to sep., but he was tryna recruit me for the Army, 'cause Army was desperate for some peculiar weps knowledge I had (this was during the Lebanon-laden 80s; Navy simply didn't give a ratzs@$$). He was also deep into middle age, w/ no hope for a star.

 

BTW, I saw something new recently, on my umpteenth turn w/ Spy Game. @The end, after Muir's tale of life savings woe, they start in about Hadley & Beirut. Watch the NSC guy shake himself outta his trance; he was so mesmerized by Muir that he didn't realize they were on another topic. It's quick but cute.

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