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Most effective High school defensive Schemes.

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1. The 4-4

 

 

The name of the game in high school football from a defensive perspective is to first determine if the opposing qb can throw a decent pass. If he cannot then its a matter of bringing a scheme that was created to stop the run and deal with a dual threat qb. Enter the 4-4...any team that uses this D and gets punished by a run happy O needs to have its coach's kicked in the ***.The 4-4 allows the Dline to get away with lapse's in gap integrity as the extra Lb and drop safety fill most of the holes in the running lanes.

 

 

 

2. 3-3-5 stack

 

I call this the playstation D because is simply unrealistic on paper but it works and heres why.

 

 

Like River Hill...You can use 3 average size Dlinemen with literally 8 other guys who are db's. Even the the lb's are db size and with all of this speed on the feild at one time, you can zone blitz/run blitz all day and bog down Offense's. If and when the O gets into along passing down, you can drop back 8 db's and make the qb read a downfeild that is often way too busy or flooded to make the right read...if there is any....or the D can send 6 of those db's after the qb and make things even more interesting.

 

3. 5-2

 

You can still g bear or 46 on a run team and shut them down. There is no better example of the 88 City Poly game in which Petrides put ...countem...10 men on the Los and shut down Wailbels vaunted Power Tricky T Offense. Stacking the box from the literal standpoint can be so effective vs power running tams that a inferior team always has a chance of beating a superior team when using the 5-2....hell..the 5-2 was one of the reasons the spread O was invented.

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1. The 4-4

 

 

The name of the game in high school football from a defensive perspective is to first determine if the opposing qb can throw a decent pass. If he cannot then its a matter of bringing a scheme that was created to stop the run and deal with a dual threat qb. Enter the 4-4...any team that uses this D and gets punished by a run happy O needs to have its coach's kicked in the ***.The 4-4 allows the Dline to get away with lapse's in gap integrity as the extra Lb and drop safety fill most of the holes in the running lanes.

 

 

 

2. 3-3-5 stack

 

I call this the playstation D because is simply unrealistic on paper but it works and heres why.

 

 

Like River Hill...You can use 3 average size Dlinemen with literally 8 other guys who are db's. Even the the lb's are db size and with all of this speed on the feild at one time, you can zone blitz/run blitz all day and bog down Offense's. If and when the O gets into along passing down, you can drop back 8 db's and make the qb read a downfeild that is often way too busy or flooded to make the right read...if there is any....or the D can send 6 of those db's after the qb and make things even more interesting.

 

3. 5-2

 

You can still g bear or 46 on a run team and shut them down. There is no better example of the 88 City Poly game in which Petrides put ...countem...10 men on the Los and shut down Wailbels vaunted Power Tricky T Offense. Stacking the box from the literal standpoint can be so effective vs power running tams that a inferior team always has a chance of beating a superior team when using the 5-2....hell..the 5-2 was one of the reasons the spread O was invented.

 

 

44= 4-2-5 which Dunbar run's. And 52 is nothing but a 34, just depends on what you do with your ends/LB's......

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The best defense to run depends on the formation that the opposing offense is running.. If there are is 1 Receiver split out I prefer a 6-2 defense. If there are 2 receivers split i would prefer a 5-2 defense.

 

I like 6 and 5 man defensive fronts because no offensive lineman can double team a defensive lineman. On a one on one match up at least one of your defensive lineman should be able to penetrate and disrupt the flow of the opposing teams offense..

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The best defense to run depends on the formation that the opposing offense is running.. If there are is 1 Receiver split out I prefer a 6-2 defense. If there are 2 receivers split i would prefer a 5-2 defense.

 

I like 6 and 5 man defensive fronts because no offensive lineman can double team a defensive lineman. On a one on one match up at least one of your defensive lineman should be able to penetrate and disrupt the flow of the opposing teams offense..

 

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big fan of the 4-4 using cover LB's against teams who like to spread it out

 

And when you have off the hook Lb's like Dunbar that are really hybrid supersized db's, you can really shut down the spread and nullify mismatch's in the 1 to 1 area.

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The best defense to run depends on the formation that the opposing offense is running.. If there are is 1 Receiver split out I prefer a 6-2 defense. If there are 2 receivers split i would prefer a 5-2 defense.

 

I like 6 and 5 man defensive fronts because no offensive lineman can double team a defensive lineman. On a one on one match up at least one of your defensive lineman should be able to penetrate and disrupt the flow of the opposing teams offense..

 

Point well taken my fellow Jedi.....

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We ran that friggin wide tackle 6 at Dundalk in 81...Randallstown ran traps up the middle all day on us.

 

The wide tackle six was invented by Jerry Claiborne to counter power running teams like Penn State...the wide tackle six forces the student body runs to the inside and into traffic....but yes, simple draws and traps is the way to counter it.

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The stack 3-5 is just the the old 5-3 with the DE walked out. Many coaches have always used their best athletes as DE's. Coaches have added a few wrinkles to deal with spread sets and pass coveraes, but many of the concepts are the same. What is old, will one day be new again. The athletes make the defense, more than the defense makes the athlete.

 

The 4-4 and the 4-2 relatively the same, the outside linebackers are now called dogs. 5-2 and 4-3, again we walk out the ends. The number one thing a good d-coordinator does, is make sure his system is flexible to handle multiple formations, gets his best players to the ball, and creates a system that he is comfortable with making adjustments. Then we have to be able to teach kids to recognize plays, patterns, and situations.

 

I am not sure one defense is better than the other. I think you just have to learn a system inside and out

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The stack 3-5 is just the the old 5-3 with the DE walked out. Many coaches have always used their best athletes as DE's. Coaches have added a few wrinkles to deal with spread sets and pass coveraes, but many of the concepts are the same. What is old, will one day be new again. The athletes make the defense, more than the defense makes the athlete.

 

The 4-4 and the 4-2 relatively the same, the outside linebackers are now called dogs. 5-2 and 4-3, again we walk out the ends. The number one thing a good d-coordinator does, is make sure his system is flexible to handle multiple formations, gets his best players to the ball, and creates a system that he is comfortable with making adjustments. Then we have to be able to teach kids to recognize plays, patterns, and situations.

 

I am not sure one defense is better than the other. I think you just have to learn a system inside and out

 

Good stuff here...let me ask you...what D do you throw at a O if you know the qb has subpar passing skills...

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If a QB can't throw, man coverage. I tend to favor the odd front. So if it is a spread 2X2, I am going to go 5-2 with quarter coverage. I want athletes at end, and I want my will linebacker to be a blitzer and coverage player. We can reduce to keep OL off of him, so he can run free and make plays.

 

If they run with a te, I would go 5-3, with the safety over the te. You are very weak in the flats with, and the hitch is wide open. Hopefully, we can keep you from running the FB with 8 in the box, and force you to throw the ball. We will bring pressure.

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If a QB can't throw, man coverage. I tend to favor the odd front. So if it is a spread 2X2, I am going to go 5-2 with quarter coverage. I want athletes at end, and I want my will linebacker to be a blitzer and coverage player. We can reduce to keep OL off of him, so he can run free and make plays.

 

If they run with a te, I would go 5-3, with the safety over the te. You are very weak in the flats with, and the hitch is wide open. Hopefully, we can keep you from running the FB with 8 in the box, and force you to throw the ball. We will bring pressure.

 

We know who will be the next Ravens coach if Hardbough doesnt work out...thanks man

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FB COACH vs 2x2 you will use a 5-2 quarters look? So are you walking your ends out over the slots and leaving a 5 man box? Or are you keeping the box packed and leaving the slots only covered by the 2 high safeties? A QB with no arms can throw a bubble screen until the cows come home if the slots arent covered. It def is a who has the chalk last situation but if a QB is not a good thrower I would leave the the furthest longest developing throw open.

Your 5-2 is good but go to a cov. 0 if the QB is no good bring 7 to their 6 blockers and cover with 4 on their 4. If you dont get their with your pressure guys could be running but if a team doesnt have a good thrower they probably also do not have advanced pass pro schemes.

 

Id align in a ghost 6, 4, 0, 4, and ghost 6, keep ILB's home for draw and screen and now you have both ends coming off the edge untouched unless the guards kick out to get them which is unlikely. Tell the ends if a back leaves then peal with him.

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I have seen to many te's drag as the qb waggled on this defense.I also see many iso's being called on this D.I think it was Saban who said if the middle is stacked you can always trap a dummy.

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I have seen to many te's drag as the qb waggled on this defense.I also see many iso's being called on this D.I think it was Saban who said if the middle is stacked you can always trap a dummy.

 

This is true and simulates very well on ea's ncaa collge football...whenever I see a stack in the middle, I go to play action to freeze them where they are....or... or...I audible a rb to streak right at them to keep them froze where they are then roll out looking for a te drag away from the crowd...

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1. The 4-4

 

 

The name of the game in high school football from a defensive perspective is to first determine if the opposing qb can throw a decent pass. If he cannot then its a matter of bringing a scheme that was created to stop the run and deal with a dual threat qb. Enter the 4-4...any team that uses this D and gets punished by a run happy O needs to have its coach's kicked in the ***.The 4-4 allows the Dline to get away with lapse's in gap integrity as the extra Lb and drop safety fill most of the holes in the running lanes.

 

 

 

2. 3-3-5 stack

 

I call this the playstation D because is simply unrealistic on paper but it works and heres why.

 

 

Like River Hill...You can use 3 average size Dlinemen with literally 8 other guys who are db's. Even the the lb's are db size and with all of this speed on the feild at one time, you can zone blitz/run blitz all day and bog down Offense's. If and when the O gets into along passing down, you can drop back 8 db's and make the qb read a downfeild that is often way too busy or flooded to make the right read...if there is any....or the D can send 6 of those db's after the qb and make things even more interesting.

 

3. 5-2

 

You can still g bear or 46 on a run team and shut them down. There is no better example of the 88 City Poly game in which Petrides put ...countem...10 men on the Los and shut down Wailbels vaunted Power Tricky T Offense. Stacking the box from the literal standpoint can be so effective vs power running tams that a inferior team always has a chance of beating a superior team when using the 5-2....hell..the 5-2 was one of the reasons the spread O was invented.

 

AO, Petrides is ignoring a great resource for BCC offensive coordinator. Anyone that can break down defenses like you do should be able to engineer an offensive turnaround for the Black Knights. I know I'm not a City College Alum but I nominate you for the position.

 

On the other hand, I think former Cincinnati Bengal and WVU grad, Dave Grant, wrote this post for you. He is a coach at Rutgers isn't he?

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AO, Petrides is ignoring a great resource for BCC offensive coordinator. Anyone that can break down defenses like you do should be able to engineer an offensive turnaround for the Black Knights. I know I'm not a City College Alum but I nominate you for the position.

 

On the other hand, I think former Cincinnati Bengal and WVU grad, Dave Grant, wrote this post for you. He is a coach at Rutgers isn't he?

 

Its Not that Petrides is ignoring me because I'm sure he doesn't know me from Adam...I think the problem is his objectives as it regards the spread conflicts with the fundementals of Offensive football...for example, he seems to run the spread with a power football philosophy or mentality...he's constantly trying to power the ball ...when he's not doing that, he's running the option read as if the opposition has yet to discover the spread and the fact that the spread chiefly operates form the option read....the spread was not invented to control the clock and beat up On the D...it was invented to spread out the D, create mismatches while humilating that same D with unlimited options from play action, roll outs and draws....George appears to be doing lots of tinkering and experimenting with his spread as the season plays out...he's searching for the right personel and chemistry combined with a very basic understanding of the spread which explains why he's getting so bogged down....George is a power football guy, case closed and I'm telling you all this...theres no coach or program in the metro area that beats George at Power football whens hes truely playing power football....almost everywhere I go and almost every coach I know who has seen Bcc play within the last 5 years want to know one thing...where in the hell are we getting all the talent we have...damn near everyone was stunned to see how big and talented the 2010 sqaud was...the EVT staff was so toally stunned when Bcc jumped in their ***'s last season and totally stunned as well to have won the game....bottom line is, Bcc has no shortage of talent...George just needs to play his brand of Football like he did in 06 and let the chips fall where they may...if he's going to use the spread...he needs ot get his qb schooled and catch some spread workshops as well....either way, if he really commits to one or the other...its lights out for the City league

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Its Not that Petrides is ignoring me because I'm sure he doesn't know me from Adam...I think the problem is his objectives as it regards the spread conflicts with the fundementals of Offensive football...for example, he seems to run the spread with a power football philosophy or mentality...he's constantly trying to power the ball ...when he's not doing that, he's running the option read as if the opposition has yet to discover the spread and the fact that the spread chiefly operates form the option read....the spread was not invented to control the clock and beat up On the D...it was invented to spread out the D, create mismatches while humilating that same D with unlimited options from play action, roll outs and draws....George appears to be doing lots of tinkering and experimenting with his spread as the season plays out...he's searching for the right personel and chemistry combined with a very basic understanding of the spread which explains why he's getting so bogged down....George is a power football guy, case closed and I'm telling you all this...theres no coach or program in the metro area that beats George at Power football whens hes truely playing power football....almost everywhere I go and almost every coach I know who has seen Bcc play within the last 5 years want to know one thing...where in the hell are we getting all the talent we have...damn near everyone was stunned to see how big and talented the 2010 sqaud was...the EVT staff was so toally stunned when Bcc jumped in their ***'s last season and totally stunned as well to have won the game....bottom line is, Bcc has no shortage of talent...George just needs to play his brand of Football like he did in 06 and let the chips fall where they may...if he's going to use the spread...he needs ot get his qb schooled and catch some spread workshops as well....either way, if he really commits to one or the other...its lights out for the City league

 

AO, you are correct in the fact that BCC was much more talented than Tech, but what does that say for BCC. And yes, City socred very early but that was it. EVT shut them down and outgained them by a good amount of yardage. It is going to be interesting to see this upcoming year in week 1. EVT vs. BCC, should be a good one again. WHere is this game being played? Good luck to the Knights this year, the 3A is a barn burner this year.

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