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Who can beat Obama in 2012?

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What is interesting is that we still have this idea that there will be some drastic change or improvement if the White House changes party.

 

I'd say the local and state races are more important. We need more states nullifying and attempting to nullify national tyranny.

 

The senate will also be more important than POTUS.

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You don't think Condeleeza Rice could beat Obama?

 

No. I don't.

 

Its an understatement to say that she did a lousy job as National Security advisor and Sec. of State...

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You don't think Condeleeza Rice could beat Obama?

 

No, not a chance

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Based on recent polls, if things are the same Nov 2012 as today, Obama wins in a landslide...

 

....but we all know things won't be the same today as on election day 2012. I believe by then the effects of the economic recovery will be felt deep and wide and President Obama will surely use his (proven) track record as both offense and defense against all challengers particularly those claiming he was leading the country in the wrong direction. They've replaced their claims that the economy would get worse, headed for a double-dip recession, and allegations Obama administration policies would kill jobs, with claims that the recession was extended because of Obama administration policies. Needless to say rational people scoff at such declarations.

 

Headed into the 2012 elections the GOP faces a huge credibility issue based on all the predictions they made that never happened as well as all the lies they've told that have now been exposed.

 

As such we should all be prepared for absolute desparation from the GOP in 2012. :D

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You don't think Condeleeza Rice could beat Obama?

 

Condi has no interest in seeking elected office....never has.

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The only person that can beat Obama in 2012 is Obama. It certainly won't be anything the GOP does. The GOP needs to be worried about not delivering on the economic front if they are to retain their gains. If if they even try to blame Democrats they are sunk. Because they would be in essence saying that Democrats still wield the real power in the House despite the GOP Majority. So the people will futher empower the Democrats to Git 'R Done. :D Looks like the only safe roads for the GOP on the economic front is psychosis in saying the economy is great or to blame Corporate America for the stagflation from the tax cuts to the rich allowing their huge piles of money to stand still to starve the beast into further submission. Any further submission will only make the economic problem far worse. It's really that simple. ;)

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Way too early SF, no idea who will be running against either. So much can happen between now and the elections. Let's see where UE, energy prices, the deficit, the ME etc.. are a year from now.

 

I agree with you. Many things can happen between now and then. If the election were held tomorrow he would win hands down over any announced candidate. But who knows what will happen in the next year and a half? I don't think the deficit will have a bearing on the next election, but economy and jobs will. Gas prices also will have some affect.

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The only person that can beat Obama in 2012 is Obama. It certainly won't be anything the GOP does. The GOP needs to be worried about not delivering on the economic front if they are to retain their gains. If if they even try to blame Democrats they are sunk. Because they would be in essence saying that Democrats still wield the real power in the House despite the GOP Majority. So the people will futher empower the Democrats to Git 'R Done. :D Looks like the only safe roads for the GOP on the economic front is psychosis in saying the economy is great or to blame Corporate America for the stagflation from the tax cuts to the rich allowing their huge piles of money to stand still to starve the beast into further submission. Any further submission will only make the economic problem far worse. It's really that simple. ;)

 

Isn't this what Dems have been doing?

 

"If if they even try to blame Democrats they are sunk. Because they would be in essence saying that Democrats still wield the real power in the House despite the GOP Majority."

 

So, the Republican Senate minorty wield the real power between 2009-2010 when Dems have the Presidency and the majority in both Houses.

 

"Looks like the only safe roads for the GOP on the economic front is psychosis in saying the economy is great or to blame Corporate America for the stagflation from the tax cuts to the rich allowing their huge piles of money to stand still to starve the beast into further submission."

 

Isn't this the Dem's party line?

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The Supreme Court is likely to decide on Obamacare a few weeks before the 2012 election. What they decide and how Obama responds to their decision might weigh heavy on the election.

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The big question is whether or not the Republicans will implode, meaning give the nomination to a "respectable" and lose the grass roots/tea party support OR nominate another Palin type.

 

In the former case, depends on which way the economy is going and the general mood of the country; in the latter, O wins in a landslide.

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It is Obama's to lose. I have been saying that for months. I don't need a poll to tell me that.

 

No one other than Ron Paul is willing to make bold statements and the establishment Rs would NEVER get behind him. They are too busy supporting their brand of big government.

 

wow.. WE agree on this..

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Looks like Obama is the only one can to that as of now.

 

However, there's still ample time for the worm to turn. But considering the silliness of my fellow Republicans, that's probably too much to hope for. I may just have to vote third party or stay home this time 'round. I don't feel all warm and cozy with any of the current crop of contenders. And there's no way I can vote for an a-hole who thinks people like me cling to our guns and religion because we lack the benefit of his pampered academic perspective of what constitutes higher intellect.

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And there's no way I can vote for an a-hole who thinks people like me cling to our guns and religion because we lack the benefit of his pampered academic perspective of what constitutes higher intellect.

 

ouch.

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Looks like Obama is the only one can to that as of now.

 

However, there's still ample time for the worm to turn. But considering the silliness of my fellow Republicans, that's probably too much to hope for. I may just have to vote third party or stay home this time 'round. I don't feel all warm and cozy with any of the current crop of contenders. And there's no way I can vote for an a-hole who thinks people like me cling to our guns and religion because we lack the benefit of his pampered academic perspective of what constitutes higher intellect.

 

Interesting perspective. Keep clinging to your guns and false religion along the same way you cling to the lies, the myths, and the fables you're holding onto regarding things Obama never said in the context you present! :D

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A sane and seemingly-pragmatic Republican with a minimum of baggage (e.g. Pawlenty) could beat Obama if the economy gets worse or stays exactly the same between now and November 2012.

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Looking at the electoral map, I don't see how Obama wins in 2012. He's not going to win the following states again:

 

Virginia

Florida

North Carolina

Ohio

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Colorado

New Mexico

Nevada

New Hampshire

 

The battleground states will be places like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Maine, Oregon and Washington.

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You don't think Condeleeza Rice could beat Obama?

 

A former National Security Advisor who's catch phrase was "we didn't know." :eek: A genius that is unaware of Pearl Harbor? :eek:

 

What she didn't know, that planes could be used used as missles just like Japanese Zero's did, helped get 3,066 Americans killed on 9/11. :eek: Is she REALLY ready for that 3:00 am phone call?

 

What was that other catch phrase? Oh yeah, BRING IT ON! :eek: Oops! theres something else she didn't know and wouldn't let anyone tell her.......because she's the genius. Has she found those WMD's yet?

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Looking at the electoral map, I don't see how Obama wins in 2012. He's not going to win the following states again:

 

Virginia

Florida

North Carolina

 

He will win atleast 2 out of these 3 states for the same reasons he won last time: Latinos, blacks, and transplanted North Easterners.

 

Colorado

New Mexico

Nevada

 

I think he's a safe bet to win those states again.....

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If they come up with a moderate candidate, then it will be the same as if Obama won. Elections only matter if something different is done by the winning side. The status quo isn't going to get us out of the current problems.

 

except as many say "Obama is a Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, Leftist, Marxist" So a moderate would be a dramatic change!

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I think Romney could win the GOP primary. Why - fund raising. GOP candidates with shallow pockets will drop out as primary season goes on as they don't win no donnors. With a deeper pocket, Romney can hang in there until the end.

 

The allure of the TEA party is they actually organize for free remember they manned phone banks for free for months in 2010. They will do it again if asked. Money will not be the issue. Plus FOX will give them free publicity.

 

A good example is the NY house election in a couple of months in a seat in which a democrat last won during watergate. It features a republican which the RNCC, and multiple PAC's are donating to; a TEA party candidate who is self financing and a democrat with heavy DNCC support. This kind of thing will tear up the GOP and Romney. They don't play nice and will find some reason to pull him apart.

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Looking at the electoral map, I don't see how Obama wins in 2012. He's not going to win the following states again:

 

Virginia

Florida

North Carolina

Ohio

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Colorado

New Mexico

Nevada

New Hampshire

 

The battleground states will be places like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Maine, Oregon and Washington.

 

Another bookmark worthy prediction from sunspot's own version of **** Morris.

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Looks like Obama is the only one can to that as of now.

 

However, there's still ample time for the worm to turn. But considering the silliness of my fellow Republicans, that's probably too much to hope for. I may just have to vote third party or stay home this time 'round. I don't feel all warm and cozy with any of the current crop of contenders. And there's no way I can vote for an a-hole who thinks people like me cling to our guns and religion because we lack the benefit of his pampered academic perspective of what constitutes higher intellect.

 

The only Republican I was considering announced he's not running. Since I'm black and consider not voting a sin(based on our history), staying home is not an option so it looks a 3rd party vote again for me

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except as many say "Obama is a Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, Leftist, Marxist" So a moderate would be a dramatic change!

 

Obama is a moderate Dem

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Looking at the electoral map, I don't see how Obama wins in 2012. He's not going to win the following states again:

 

Virginia

Florida

North Carolina

Ohio

Wisconsin

Minnesota

Colorado

New Mexico

Nevada

New Hampshire

 

The battleground states will be places like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Maine, Oregon and Washington.

 

You are kidding? he can win some of those states depending on who he is running against and what else is on the ballott. For example if there is a recall on the Wisconson ballott and he is running against an ultra conservative. he wins! The last 5 states are very up in the air depending on his opponent. Romney torunces him but as I said.....the GOP wont nominate him.

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