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Posted 27 May 2011 - 06:36 PM

Just hope your Timmy-boy Thomas follows his personal traditioin and continues to give up 5 goals per.:)

He is the player that has kept Boston in the series at all.


Well, if your first statement is correct, then your second statement does not logically follow. But it matters not. What matters is that I get ready for the game and stop...



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Posted 27 May 2011 - 06:44 PM

Disagree about the logical progression part....regardless of where you stop to get ready for the game....the ladies dressing room, maybe?:eek:

The Bruins go as Thomas goes.

Your goalie is the man. He either gives up nothing, or everything.

Tonight, I sincerely hope he gives up everything.:cool:

I would say good luck, but I would not mean it...

Nothing personal, strictly business....:)

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 10:07 PM

Well, here's what I say to all that:



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Posted 28 May 2011 - 07:49 AM

Financial considerations aside, it's a good thing that UM added lax. They already have built-in rivalry with Ohio State. Their name adds prestige to the pool of lax-playing universities.
I am surprised at the attendance figures for Syracuse. I thought they had 15,000 for the UVa home game alone.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 08:48 AM

Financial considerations aside, it's a good thing that UM added lax. They already have built-in rivalry with Ohio State. Their name adds prestige to the pool of lax-playing universities.
I am surprised at the attendance figures for Syracuse. I thought they had 15,000 for the UVa home game alone.


I would agree that it is a good thing. Unfortunately for the home teams, their days of preeminence are numbered. When Mich, OSU, Florida, etc get established in 10'+ years, watch out. I doubt the tourney will be dominated by ACC, Ivy or other East Coast schools, as it is now. Please note - I did not say they won't be there. Just saying their party is about to get crashed.

The landscape is changing, and, is changing for the betterment of the sport of lacrosse.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 08:03 AM

You're right to an extent, I think. The growth of lacrosse over the past 10-20 years has already brought a lot of new faces to the playoffs and even the Final Four- with Denver and Notre Dame the past 2 years.

But the tradtional powers are still there too. It's a good thing all the way around, bringing more attention to a great game.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 09:25 AM

I would agree that it is a good thing. Unfortunately for the home teams, their days of preeminence are numbered. When Mich, OSU, Florida, etc get established in 10'+ years, watch out. I doubt the tourney will be dominated by ACC, Ivy or other East Coast schools, as it is now. Please note - I did not say they won't be there. Just saying their party is about to get crashed.

The landscape is changing, and, is changing for the betterment of the sport of lacrosse.


OSU has actually has a team for quite a long time. I believe Michigan is the first major DI school to add lacrosse since 1990 when Notre Dame did. I think maybe Michigan State dropped it within that period.

The 10+ years is the significant thing. It might well end up being more like 20 years before enough of these big schools add the sport and have got their teams together competitively. The big thing would be a change in Title IX.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 09:30 AM

You're right to an extent, I think. The growth of lacrosse over the past 10-20 years has already brought a lot of new faces to the playoffs and even the Final Four- with Denver and Notre Dame the past 2 years.

But the tradtional powers are still there too. It's a good thing all the way around, bringing more attention to a great game.



Notre Lame didn't make the Final Four this year. They made it in 2010 and 2001. They have been in the NCAA lax tourney 15 times. The program is about 31 years old. I think Denver got as far as they did because of Tierney.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 09:37 AM

OSU has actually has a team for quite a long time. I believe Michigan is the first major DI school to add lacrosse since 1990 when Notre Dame did. I think maybe Michigan State dropped it within that period.

The 10+ years is the significant thing. It might well end up being more like 20 years before enough of these big schools add the sport and have got their teams together competitively. The big thing would be a change in Title IX.


Disagree. Became NCAA in about 2000. That's not a "long time".

As far as Notre Lame, check your records. Believe they became NCAA. Program in 1981.

Success will depend, in large measure, on the state of HS lax in their respective states. In the Midwest, I believe, only Mich, Ohio and Illinois have decent programs at theHS level.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 11:32 AM

Notre Lame didn't make the Final Four this year. They made it in 2010 and 2001. They have been in the NCAA lax tourney 15 times. The program is about 31 years old. I think Denver got as far as they did because of Tierney.


:rolleyes:

I realize Notre Dame didn't make the Final Four this year. I was talking about last year.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 11:38 AM

:rolleyes:

I realize Notre Dame didn't make the Final Four this year. I was talking about last year.


ND was in it in 2001 and 2010.

My point remains - ND has been playing lax for almost 30 years. They are not a newcomer. Md hasn't been to the Final Four, I believe, for much longer than that...Md has been at it much longer than ND, but neither is a newcomer. My point.

So, if ND's first appearance in the Final Four wasn't for 20 years after formation...then I suspect it will be 10-20 years for OSU, Mich, Florida, etc.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 11:48 AM

OK. I was thinking newcomers to the Final Four.

Having more or new teams in the playoffs or Finals is good. For instance, I believe you have stated in the past that Michigan has one of the largest numbers of alumni in the country. If UM reached the playoffs or Final Four in the future in lacrosse, that'd be quite a lot of eyes watching and potential future fans of the game that might otherwise not be watching.

The same would apply if some of the California or Florida state schools take up the game. Maybe some don't feel the more fans the merrier, but I do.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 12:42 PM

The same would apply if some of the California or Florida state schools take up the game. Maybe some don't feel the more fans the merrier, but I do.


Completely agree. Hard to take lax seriously, when only 60 (or so) D1 universities play the sport. Still is niche sport, but things are slowly changing for the better.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 01:03 PM

Disagree. Became NCAA in about 2000. That's not a "long time".

As far as Notre Lame, check your records. Believe they became NCAA. Program in 1981.

Success will depend, in large measure, on the state of HS lax in their respective states. In the Midwest, I believe, only Mich, Ohio and Illinois have decent programs at theHS level.


OSU lists having a lacrosse team since 1953. Played UMd in 1990, 1991, 1994.

You are right about ND in 1981. Back in the 1990's Notre Dame used to regularly make the NCAAs as the western representative.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 02:00 PM

OSU lists having a lacrosse team since 1953. Played UMd in 1990, 1991, 1994.

You are right about ND in 1981. Back in the 1990's Notre Dame used to regularly make the NCAAs as the western representative.


Starting in 1994, I believe, OSU was in the Great Western Lacrosse League, along with such teams as ND, Butler (yes, the same Butler) and Michigan State. During the late 90, MSU and Butler dropped lacrosse.

Most large school like Michigan, and other B10 schools, have had club lacrosse for a long time. Michigan's lacrosse program goes back to the 50,s, as well.

I'm pretty confident that OSU has not had NCAA lax going back more than a decade, or two. If you go to the official OSU. Lax web site, their archive only goes back to 2000.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 05:37 PM

Starting in 1994, I believe, OSU was in the Great Western Lacrosse League, along with such teams as ND, Butler (yes, the same Butler) and Michigan State. During the late 90, MSU and Butler dropped lacrosse.

Most large school like Michigan, and other B10 schools, have had club lacrosse for a long time. Michigan's lacrosse program goes back to the 50,s, as well.

I'm pretty confident that OSU has not had NCAA lax going back more than a decade, or two. If you go to the official OSU. Lax web site, their archive only goes back to 2000.


Actually, if you go into the yearbook on the OSU lax site it shows records back to 1953.

I looked up the UMd games on the Maryland website, so certainly OSU was not a club team in 1990 because they played UMd.

2000 is merely around the time that most schools started having websites.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 07:47 PM

Actually, if you go into the yearbook on the OSU lax site it shows records back to 1953.

I looked up the UMd games on the Maryland website, so certainly OSU was not a club team in 1990 because they played UMd.

2000 is merely around the time that most schools started having websites.



The ONLY reference I can find to OSU being in the NCAA, for lacrosse, is 1994 when they were in the newly formed Great Western Lacrosse League. Further, OSU is usually very good in posting all the important dates involving their team, etc...but nothing in lax before 2000. Odd.

They may have been in the NCAA in 1990, when they played Md, but no idea what the rules were back then in playing a team/club not in the NCAA.

Finally, when I cross-referenced to the NCAA record books for lacrosse, there's not one mention of any player, any record from OSU prior to this time.

None of this is conclusive evidence, but after spending about an hour trying to find when their lax program was in the NCAA...I can't find anything definitive. There simply is a dirth of OSU lax info pre-1994. Odd?

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 08:24 PM

If you look through the historical section in the OSU 2011 Team Guide:
http://www.ohiostate...TCLID=205095801

You will see that it list teams records since 1953. It includes players from the
1950's and 1960's in the team records.
For example:
CAREER POINTS LEADERS
Name Years G-A P
1. Terry Gilmore............... 1976-79.........123-127....... 250
2. Joel Dalgarno.............. 2006-09.........126-101....... 227
3. Kevin Buchanan........... 2005-08.........97-78........... 175
4. Jon Ewert.................... 1983-86.........86-79........... 165
5. Craig Cooper................ 1974-78.........88-75........... 163
6. Curtis Smith................. 2000-03.........102-53......... 155
7. Bill Rodgers ................ 1978-81.........107-43......... 150
8. Mike Avery.................. 1988-91.........98-50........... 148
9. Tim McCabe................ 1986-89.........94-51........... 145
10. David Blue................... 1990-93.........102-38......... 140
11. Cliff Murray................. 1966-68.........41-97........... 138

What Division they were in, I do not know.

Gilmore is listed as an All-American at the DI level in the laxpower database in
1978 and 1979:
http://www.laxpower....torical_men.php
1978 I Gilmore, Terry Midfield HM
1979 I Gilmore, Terry Midfield HM

But there is no OSU player listed in the laxpower AA database after 1979 till2000.

Basically, finding data on lacrosse from pre-2000 on the internet is hard.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 08:35 PM

If you look through the historical section in the OSU 2011 Team Guide:
http://www.ohiostate...TCLID=205095801

You will see that it list teams records since 1953. It includes players from the
1950's and 1960's in the team records.
For example:
CAREER POINTS LEADERS
Name Years G-A P
1. Terry Gilmore............... 1976-79.........123-127....... 250
2. Joel Dalgarno.............. 2006-09.........126-101....... 227
3. Kevin Buchanan........... 2005-08.........97-78........... 175
4. Jon Ewert.................... 1983-86.........86-79........... 165
5. Craig Cooper................ 1974-78.........88-75........... 163
6. Curtis Smith................. 2000-03.........102-53......... 155
7. Bill Rodgers ................ 1978-81.........107-43......... 150
8. Mike Avery.................. 1988-91.........98-50........... 148
9. Tim McCabe................ 1986-89.........94-51........... 145
10. David Blue................... 1990-93.........102-38......... 140
11. Cliff Murray................. 1966-68.........41-97........... 138

What Division they were in, I do not know.

Gilmore is listed as an All-American at the DI level in the laxpower database in
1978 and 1979:
http://www.laxpower....torical_men.php
1978 I Gilmore, Terry Midfield HM
1979 I Gilmore, Terry Midfield HM

But there is no OSU player listed in the laxpower AA database after 1979 till2000.

Basically, finding data on lacrosse from pre-2000 on the internet is hard.



Zach,

Yep, I saw the OSU info from their web site. But that really doesn't tell me much. Again, I was looking at either some web site that said when their lax program was in the NCAA, OR, some independent data from the NCAA (for example) that showed NCAA lax records for OSU anytime after 1971, when lax became NCAA. I can't find any reference like this. Odd?:eek:

What preceded the NCAA for lax? I saw where Maryland played MIT...yes, that MIT...in lax in the 60's!! Wasn't even aware MIT had sanctioned sports? My point being - I'm not sure what any of this means prior to the NCAA's involvement? The only thing I am certain is that OSU was a charter member of the Great Western Lacrosse League that was formed in 1994.before that date, I'm not sure what conference they were in, or even what level they were playing at?

Finally, by way of a little personal info - A few years back, Eric Lusby, from Severna Park, received an offer to play lax at OSU. He ultimately chose Loyola over OSU. When I asked his dad why, he said OSU had no lax tradition. Now, that doesn't tell me when?, but it does tell me that had OSU been in the lax game, in a serious way, for many decades...one would expect they would have some "tradition" by now.

Edited by slapshot, 29 May 2011 - 08:59 PM.


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Posted 22 June 2011 - 12:09 PM

Michigan just announced over the weekend that they will be fielding a women's team in 2013, in the same conference as Northwestern, Ohio State, and Johns Hopkins (amongst others).

Reading this thread, I had no idea that Michigan State had ever fielded a DivI lacrosse team (disbanding in '97). Never saw one article in any of the various papers. Not sure if that bodes well for U-M for both the guys and gals.