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Buffalo Signs Mark Anderson

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From the Patriots. 4 year deal worth 27 million. Anderson had 10 sacks last year. Buffalo's defensive line may be the best in the league. Williams, Dareus, Williams, Anderson.

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Not even sure why the Ravens are bothering to bring these guys in since they have so badly mishandled the cap and have so little available cap space all they can do for the most part is give these guys leverage with another team by providing them with nothing more than a low ball offer.

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Buffalo is loading up with talent; yet, I don't see that team doing anything this season.
I think it all depends upon Fitz.

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Not even sure why the Ravens are bothering to bring these guys in since they have so badly mishandled the cap and have so little available cap space all they can do for the most part is give these guys leverage with another team by providing them with nothing more than a low ball offer.
I don't know that the Ravens have totally mis-managed the cap -- IIRC, they're about in the middle of the pack as far as cap space goes. But something does seem to be amiss. The Ravens don't have glaring holes like some other teams, but they do have some definite needs to be filled. However, with re-signing Birk, it just doesn't seem that they "get it". I understand the need to maintain some sort of consistency along the O-line, but Birk seems to be the newest version of Mike Flynn. It wasn't until Jason Brown stepped in that the O-line really started to click.

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Buffalo is loading up with talent; yet, I don't see that team doing anything this season.

 

With you making that prediction, they'll probably go undefeated.

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I don't know that the Ravens have totally mis-managed the cap -- IIRC, they're about in the middle of the pack as far as cap space goes. But something does seem to be amiss. The Ravens don't have glaring holes like some other teams, but they do have some definite needs to be filled. However, with re-signing Birk, it just doesn't seem that they "get it". I understand the need to maintain some sort of consistency along the O-line, but Birk seems to be the newest version of Mike Flynn. It wasn't until Jason Brown stepped in that the O-line really started to click.

 

When they structure their cap in a way where 3 players consume $40M of the $120M cap I would say they have mismanaged their cap.I think they have around $5M available but that's not factoring in any of their own FA's they would like to retain.I suppose bringing these guys in even if they know they can't afford to sign them does serve their PR purposes.Look fans we're trying to do something!

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When they structure their cap in a way where 3 players consume $40M of the $120M cap I would say they have mismanaged their cap.I think they have around $5M available but that's not factoring in any of their own FA's they would like to retain.I suppose bringing these guys in even if they know they can't afford to sign them does serve their PR purposes.Look fans we're trying to do something!
I do agree with that part -- I never liked the Suggs contract. Or the Ngata contract either. (As far as Reed's contract...I guess that was predicated upon him not having such a serious injury.) And even Preston said the Ravens should have pulled the Lewis contract off the table after he found no suitors, and started over. But they didn't. And now they're stuck with the situation.

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Buffalo is loading up with talent; yet, I don't see that team doing anything this season.

 

Like I taught you earlier, only the perennial losers like your skins are making moves right now. The good teams like the Ravens are shedding old, dead weight and getting ready for the draft where they get their future stars cheap. ;)

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Pittsburgh and Baltimore run the free agency and draft pretty much the same way, both are consistent participants in the post season. Neither is going to pay too much for anything except something they know because they played for them each and every day. It will all work out, as usual!

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There is one difference between Pittsburgh and Baltimore this off-season...The Ravens lost 3 starters (net one since on D, there are replacements that have proven themselves) while Pittsburgh has gotten rid of 2 OL, 1 RB, 1 DL and 2 LB as starters. This difference lies in the degree of housecleaning that had to be done.

 

Both teams, however, have plenty of good personnel who can step in and typically have good drafts and deep benches.

 

Both teams also play the FA game well, waiting until the early, overpaid FAs have been scooped up and after the draft when lots of quality players become available. Both teams stress continuity and have demonstrated consistently high performance levels.

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Ah.....and yet another FA stud comes thru One 'Winning' Drive and leaves w/a Coke and a smile....and gets the big $$$ from the playoff contender that he really wanted all along.

 

Someone needs to tell West Side Ozzie to stop hitting the snooze button....things are just getting started.

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Ah.....and yet another FA stud comes thru One 'Winning' Drive and leaves w/a Coke and a smile....and gets the big $$$ from the playoff contender that he really wanted all along.

 

Someone needs to tell West Side Ozzie to stop hitting the snooze button....things are just getting started.

 

Why pay big money (and bust the cap) on a D Lineman when the Ravens have plenty of them already, including two (Jones, McPhee) who are already slated to fight for the starting job?

 

LIke a lot of players, this FA stud went on his "magical mystery tour" looking for the most money he could get and took it - good for him.

 

Like has been his history, Ozzie took a chance that he could entice this kid with non-monetary inducements, but could not. So what? The Ravens have shown that they would rather pay big bucks to an anchor player (Hgata on the DLine, Suggs at the LB level and Reed - and soon - Webb in the D backfield.

 

The Ravens also have shown that they would rather pay big dollars to their own young players.

 

It has worked for the past four years, I'd say.

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Why pay big money (and bust the cap) on a D Lineman when the Ravens have plenty of them already, including two (Jones, McPhee) who are already slated to fight for the starting job?

 

LIke a lot of players, this FA stud went on his "magical mystery tour" looking for the most money he could get and took it - good for him.

 

Like has been his history, Ozzie took a chance that he could entice this kid with non-monetary inducements, but could not. So what? The Ravens have shown that they would rather pay big bucks to an anchor player (Hgata on the DLine, Suggs at the LB level and Reed - and soon - Webb in the D backfield.

 

The Ravens also have shown that they would rather pay big dollars to their own young players.

 

It has worked for the past four years, I'd say.

I dare say that Anderson is better than either of those 2 guys who are 'fighting it out for the starting job.'

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Why pay big money (and bust the cap) on a D Lineman when the Ravens have plenty of them already, including two (Jones, McPhee) who are already slated to fight for the starting job?

 

LIke a lot of players, this FA stud went on his "magical mystery tour" looking for the most money he could get and took it - good for him.

 

Like has been his history, Ozzie took a chance that he could entice this kid with non-monetary inducements, but could not. So what? The Ravens have shown that they would rather pay big bucks to an anchor player (Hgata on the DLine, Suggs at the LB level and Reed - and soon - Webb in the D backfield.

 

The Ravens also have shown that they would rather pay big dollars to their own young players.

 

It has worked for the past four years, I'd say.

 

Numbers is too stupid to understand that good teams build from within, not through free agency. He's also too stupid to know how a salary cap works. Or he's just a complete loser that keeps saying the same thing over and over.

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I dare say that Anderson is better than either of those 2 guys who are 'fighting it out for the starting job.'

 

Perhaps so, but that is both unsure...and irrelevant.

 

He might be a better player than two promising young players, but his cost makes him unaffordable in the Ravens team-building strategy (pay your own young players first, when they deserve it and after their rookie contracts expire)

 

However, he might not be a "better" player than both of these young guys. As I understand it, both McPhee and Jones had a total number of sacks that were close to 2/3 of Anderson's sack total in a little more than 1/2 the number of plays.

 

This is an example of having to make a choice under the salary cap: pay now or pay later!

 

This is also an example of Ozzie not chasing after a player when he knows he has two on the team already. Do you think a professional like Redding had not let the coaching staff know how well these two were progressing? Do you think that Ozzie did not factor that into consideration knowing these two were ready to step in and that Pagano had greater need of a veteran DLineman to shore up his defense?

 

By the way, in your quote, why don't you specify why you dare say that Anderson is a better player. If you have a reason or supporting facts or anecdotes, I might not agree with you but we will have the basis for a nice, friendly discussion.

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Perhaps so, but that is both unsure...and irrelevant.

 

He might be a better player than two promising young players, but his cost makes him unaffordable in the Ravens team-building strategy (pay your own young players first, when they deserve it and after their rookie contracts expire)

 

However, he might not be a "better" player. As I understand it, both McPhee and Jones had a total number of sacks that were close to, if not greater than, Anderson's. This is an example of having to make a choice under the salary cap: pay now or pay later!

 

By the way, in your quote, why don't you specify why you dare say that Anderson is a better player. If you have a reason or supporting facts or anecdotes, I might not agree with you but we will have the basis for a nice, friendly discussion.

Anderson = 10 sacks

 

Bone's bro/McPhee = 6

 

Thats just for starters..but I'll leave it here for now.

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I agree that good teams build from within, but if you can't draft worth a damn(Buffalo) or your draft picks always leave(buffalo), sometimes you need to bring in a big name FA to change the perception. I have no doubt that because Stevie Johnson stayed, it was easier to bring in Mario Williams, and I am sure having him led to the signing of Anderson(they played together in 2010). Also to defend the Skins, at least they are drafting their qb of the future and he is amazing, instead of bringing in another awful free agent qb.

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I agree that good teams build from within, but if you can't draft worth a damn(Buffalo) or your draft picks always leave(buffalo), sometimes you need to bring in a big name FA to change the perception. I have no doubt that because Stevie Johnson stayed, it was easier to bring in Mario Williams, and I am sure having him led to the signing of Anderson(they played together in 2010). Also to defend the Skins, at least they are drafting their qb of the future and he is amazing, instead of bringing in another awful free agent qb.

 

Why would anyone want to play with Stevie Johnson? He is a joke. He is a reason not to sign with the Bills.

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And if Ngata and Suggs hit the FA market today, they'd get the same contract (or more) from someone else in a heartbeat. Then we'd be complaining about the Ravens "letting them get away" and trying to fill their spots with someone comparable. They'd have more cap room obviously, but they'd have less talent, and they'd just have to spend that money to find replacements anyway.

 

The Ravens generally reward their own with the biggest deals. The guys with the biggest numbers on the Ravens roster are among the NFL's elite at their position. It costs money, big money, to keep them. They seem to believe that it's better to keep their own elite players than let them go and try to find someone else's elite players. When looking at top talent, they value the known commodity and continuity over someone else's product. They try to balance a handful of top tier contracts on their "core" stars, and manage the rest of the roster with the best values of talent / salary that they can find. Every year they get at least DECENT QB play, they make the playoffs. They're a play or two away (maybe) from one or two SB trips in the last 4 years. It's working out pretty well...

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Anderson = 10 sacks

 

Bone's bro/McPhee = 6

 

Thats just for starters..but I'll leave it here for now.

 

Don't be fooled by mere numbers, tadpole.

 

Don't forget Redding who had 4.5 sacks while playing almost 3/4 of the total snaps on D.

 

Together, McPhee, Jones and Redding had 10.5 sacks.

 

If these two young guys McPhee and Jones wind up splitting Reddings snaps (about 70% of the total D plays last season), it is mathematically likely that they would pick up another 4 - 5 sacks easily. Both are faster and stronger than Redding who, nonetheless, was a great mentor to these guys and left town with his spot (DEnd) in good hands.

 

THAT's a veteran for you.

 

Now, the Ravens have two young studs still in their rookie contracts (and overlapping by two years) which means if it comes time for a big payday, one will be two years away leaving more continuity.

 

Anderson would have been one way-to-expensive and older player (costing more than both Jones and McPhee together).

 

...logical points you made by the way...you just need to factor in more than just numbers.

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