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Tipping Is No Longer Voluntary

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I've only been to one place where the gratuity was automatically added to a small party.....and that was the Double TT in Catonsville and I think it was only in late nights.

 

I can understand why. That is when alll the ghetto people go in there and they are known for not tipping. I typically am a very good tipper. I tip after tax (the server has part of his money stolen by O'Mallley and Obama just as I have my money stolen by O'Malley and Obama) and before coupons, based on the original price. I never go under 20% unless the service was very bad. There was only one occassion where I did not tip after sitting down in a restaurant this was in an Indian buffet where the waiter was never there and we had to get up and find him every single time we needed him and he was still not found.

 

I may tip over 25% if its a cute waitress......this may go down to 20% if I subsequently find she is not single though it will still not go below 20%. I also tip over 20% when the bill is cheap......2 people can eat a full meal at Dennys or Waffle House for $10 and a $2 tip is too cheap I think after all they do the same work as someone at Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory. In bars when I pay cash I tip a dollar a drink, sometimes more when its a mixed drink that is made very well, on a bar tab I tip 20%. I also tip in cash when possible for two reasons. One is that is if they share tips then you know the good waitress/bartender is getting it. And two with cash they may not declare it and be taxed on it. Many servers prefer cash tips for this reason.

 

I tip a dollar or two SOEMTIMES for carry out. I tip my hair lady 20%. I do NOT tip taxi drivers. I do NOT give CHristmas presents to the mailman. I definitely do NOT tip those bathroom attendants in those bars and clubs where they have someone pour the soap for you or give you the paper towel I don't see the point of having these people there at all I can wash my hands just fine thank you. When leaving a hotel, I leave a tip of a few dollars for housekeeping, except when the housekeeprs are illegals. I do not tip illegal aliens.

 

So I tip generously when I in a situation where tipping is expected, but I try to avoid situation where tipping is expected. I always walk inside and pick up my to go order myself vs have them bring it to my car. I never use valet parking or room service. I pick up my own pizza vs get it delivered.

 

I wonder how much people usually tip a taxi driver as I rarely take cabs. I also wonder how much to tip in a strip club. I've heard in SOME clubs the stripper demands a tip of at least half of what the dance is but that is not all clubs.

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I think ghetto people don't tip because they are ghetto, they know the rules but disregard them.

 

When a foreigner doens't tip its usually because they do not understand our customs. In Florida once I saw a restaurant menu that explained tipping "to our international guests". It actually suggested a 18% tip or more and that the patron should see a manager if they felt the service was not good enough to deserve a 18% tip. I actually know some European and Asian visitors who come to the US knowing about tipping.

 

I hear there are foreign countries where they don't expect locals to tip, but expect a tip from Americans.

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I've only been to one place where the gratuity was automatically added to a small party.....and that was the Double TT in Catonsville and I think it was only in late nights.

 

I can understand why. That is when alll the ghetto people go in there and they are known for not tipping. I typically am a very good tipper. I tip after tax (the server has part of his money stolen by O'Mallley and Obama just as I have my money stolen by O'Malley and Obama) and before coupons, based on the original price. I never go under 20% unless the service was very bad. There was only one occassion where I did not tip after sitting down in a restaurant this was in an Indian buffet where the waiter was never there and we had to get up and find him every single time we needed him and he was still not found.

 

I may tip over 25% if its a cute waitress......this may go down to 20% if I subsequently find she is not single though it will still not go below 20%. I also tip over 20% when the bill is cheap......2 people can eat a full meal at Dennys or Waffle House for $10 and a $2 tip is too cheap I think after all they do the same work as someone at Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory. In bars when I pay cash I tip a dollar a drink, sometimes more when its a mixed drink that is made very well, on a bar tab I tip 20%. I also tip in cash when possible for two reasons. One is that is if they share tips then you know the good waitress/bartender is getting it. And two with cash they may not declare it and be taxed on it. Many servers prefer cash tips for this reason.

 

I tip a dollar or two SOEMTIMES for carry out. I tip my hair lady 20%. I do NOT tip taxi drivers. I do NOT give CHristmas presents to the mailman. I definitely do NOT tip those bathroom attendants in those bars and clubs where they have someone pour the soap for you or give you the paper towel I don't see the point of having these people there at all I can wash my hands just fine thank you. When leaving a hotel, I leave a tip of a few dollars for housekeeping, except when the housekeeprs are illegals. I do not tip illegal aliens.

 

So I tip generously when I in a situation where tipping is expected, but I try to avoid situation where tipping is expected. I always walk inside and pick up my to go order myself vs have them bring it to my car. I never use valet parking or room service. I pick up my own pizza vs get it delivered.

 

I wonder how much people usually tip a taxi driver as I rarely take cabs. I also wonder how much to tip in a strip club. I've heard in SOME clubs the stripper demands a tip of at least half of what the dance is but that is not all clubs.

 

I've never had the tip added at the Double T Diner.

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I've never had the tip added at the Double T Diner.

 

Neither have I although it's been a minute since I've eaten at one

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I guess it's because I don't usually dine out in large groups, but I witnessed something I hadn't seen before last Friday. A group from our office went to the Joe's Crab Shack in Abingdon for lunch and the (separate) checks arrived with gratuity already added on - that part I expected.

 

What I had never seen before was the Gratuity Tax that was also added on to each check. I guess in the case of automatic gratuities it's considered income for the restaurant and must be taxed? Seemed strange to me.

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Okay. So what, then, does that have to do with the price of my meal? The server does the same amount of work to bring me a plate of hot dog and fries as he/she does to bring me a plate of filet mignon. Why should he/she earn $2 for the first task but $15 for the second?

 

I have many friends who work in the industry, and I know they frequently get unfairly stiffed, so I tend to be a ridiculously generous tipper even for just normal service. But this system is totally irrational; servers should be paid a regular wage, all tips should be voluntary and given for above-and-beyond service, and, yes, that means we should all pay a bit more for our meals out.

 

(Oh, yeah, and I'm also in the camp of "a mandatory tip added to my bill = that's all the tip I'm going to give")

 

Because the government taxes servers on sales, not on tips. Simple.

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I've only been to one place where the gratuity was automatically added to a small party.....and that was the Double TT in Catonsville and I think it was only in late nights.

 

I can understand why. That is when alll the ghetto people go in there and they are known for not tipping. I typically am a very good tipper. I tip after tax (the server has part of his money stolen by O'Mallley and Obama just as I have my money stolen by O'Malley and Obama) and before coupons, based on the original price. I never go under 20% unless the service was very bad. There was only one occassion where I did not tip after sitting down in a restaurant this was in an Indian buffet where the waiter was never there and we had to get up and find him every single time we needed him and he was still not found.

 

I may tip over 25% if its a cute waitress......this may go down to 20% if I subsequently find she is not single though it will still not go below 20%. I also tip over 20% when the bill is cheap......2 people can eat a full meal at Dennys or Waffle House for $10 and a $2 tip is too cheap I think after all they do the same work as someone at Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory. In bars when I pay cash I tip a dollar a drink, sometimes more when its a mixed drink that is made very well, on a bar tab I tip 20%. I also tip in cash when possible for two reasons. One is that is if they share tips then you know the good waitress/bartender is getting it. And two with cash they may not declare it and be taxed on it. Many servers prefer cash tips for this reason.

 

I tip a dollar or two SOEMTIMES for carry out. I tip my hair lady 20%. I do NOT tip taxi drivers. I do NOT give CHristmas presents to the mailman. I definitely do NOT tip those bathroom attendants in those bars and clubs where they have someone pour the soap for you or give you the paper towel I don't see the point of having these people there at all I can wash my hands just fine thank you. When leaving a hotel, I leave a tip of a few dollars for housekeeping, except when the housekeeprs are illegals. I do not tip illegal aliens.

 

So I tip generously when I in a situation where tipping is expected, but I try to avoid situation where tipping is expected. I always walk inside and pick up my to go order myself vs have them bring it to my car. I never use valet parking or room service. I pick up my own pizza vs get it delivered.

 

I wonder how much people usually tip a taxi driver as I rarely take cabs. I also wonder how much to tip in a strip club. I've heard in SOME clubs the stripper demands a tip of at least half of what the dance is but that is not all clubs.

 

 

The mail person, newspaper, refuse people get a card and a little something every year for the holidays.

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I've only been to one place where the gratuity was automatically added to a small party.....and that was the Double TT in Catonsville and I think it was only in late nights.

 

I can understand why. That is when alll the ghetto people go in there and they are known for not tipping. I typically am a very good tipper. I tip after tax (the server has part of his money stolen by O'Mallley and Obama just as I have my money stolen by O'Malley and Obama) and before coupons, based on the original price. I never go under 20% unless the service was very bad. There was only one occassion where I did not tip after sitting down in a restaurant this was in an Indian buffet where the waiter was never there and we had to get up and find him every single time we needed him and he was still not found.

 

I may tip over 25% if its a cute waitress......this may go down to 20% if I subsequently find she is not single though it will still not go below 20%. I also tip over 20% when the bill is cheap......2 people can eat a full meal at Dennys or Waffle House for $10 and a $2 tip is too cheap I think after all they do the same work as someone at Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory. In bars when I pay cash I tip a dollar a drink, sometimes more when its a mixed drink that is made very well, on a bar tab I tip 20%. I also tip in cash when possible for two reasons. One is that is if they share tips then you know the good waitress/bartender is getting it. And two with cash they may not declare it and be taxed on it. Many servers prefer cash tips for this reason.

 

I tip a dollar or two SOEMTIMES for carry out. I tip my hair lady 20%. I do NOT tip taxi drivers. I do NOT give CHristmas presents to the mailman. I definitely do NOT tip those bathroom attendants in those bars and clubs where they have someone pour the soap for you or give you the paper towel I don't see the point of having these people there at all I can wash my hands just fine thank you. When leaving a hotel, I leave a tip of a few dollars for housekeeping, except when the housekeeprs are illegals. I do not tip illegal aliens.

 

So I tip generously when I in a situation where tipping is expected, but I try to avoid situation where tipping is expected. I always walk inside and pick up my to go order myself vs have them bring it to my car. I never use valet parking or room service. I pick up my own pizza vs get it delivered.

 

I wonder how much people usually tip a taxi driver as I rarely take cabs. I also wonder how much to tip in a strip club. I've heard in SOME clubs the stripper demands a tip of at least half of what the dance is but that is not all clubs.

 

I am curious to know how you know the immigration status of the housekeeping staff? Did you ask for documentation? And in turn were you asked for your documentation???

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I am curious to know how you know the immigration status of the housekeeping staff? Did you ask for documentation? And in turn were you asked for your documentation???

 

Bloomin Onion's first rule of life is

 

HISPANIC LOOKING IN AMERICA EQUALS ILLEGAL

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I ate at the Moe's in Harbor East. one thing I can say for sure, they aren't using that mandatory tip to clean the place. the food is pretty horrible. how do you serve that poor excuse for seafood in a port city?

 

I once saw the Tony Bourdain episode where he has lunch with the local criminal - turn criminal hero - turn regular old criminal again, Snoop. that poor man had to sit there and suffer through that meal and her ridiculous explanation of why it is such an incredible place to eat.

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Waitress's get very little salaries. I just heard that Maryland  taxes 18% of a check whether or not the waitress gets 18%. so for those of you that think its extreme and I do also, complain to the omalley/brown team and their stooge legislators.. Everyone should tip according to the service but be fair. If anyone can find out if that 18% is mandatory let us know. I also agree that some people want great service, run their waiters ragged then leave no tip is downright rude. They should be banned..

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If you don't plan to tip you should just tell the wait staff before the meal is served.

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Two of us had lunch at Ship's Cafe in Catonsville last week. I was shocked to see a 15% gratuity added in for a table of two. I always tip 25% and was happy to save myself 10%.

You were SHOCKED??? You must be very proud of yourself for stiffing a waitperson who is making less than minimal wage 10% on his/her tip.  I'm glad I don't know you.  

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You were SHOCKED??? You must be very proud of yourself for stiffing a waitperson who is making less than minimal wage 10% on his/her tip.  I'm glad I don't know you.

 

I did not stiff anyone. I paid the tip of 15% on the invoice.

 

I would have paid 25% of the post tax invoice but I don't do that if the restaurant or server put the tip on automatically.

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I have eaten at Ships Cafe no less than 25 times and never had the tip added by the server. She made the choice.

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I did not stiff anyone. I paid the tip of 15% on the invoice.

 

I would have paid 25% of the post tax invoice but I don't do that if the restaurant or server put the tip on automatically.

That's my policy as well

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I did not stiff anyone. I paid the tip of 15% on the invoice.

 

I would have paid 25% of the post tax invoice but I don't do that if the restaurant or server put the tip on automatically.

 

 

That's my policy as well

The server has no ability to specify the tip on the tab. The server is making $2.25/hr minimum wage (yes, that is two dollars) and the server is on the bottom of the totem pole in restaurant management. The management, not the server, set the 15% mandatory tip, because management cares about its wait staff.

 

What bothers me is not that some pr¡ck would stiff the low-paying wait staff the difference between a 25% and 15% tip because he is affronted by management policy. What amazes me is the pr¡ck is dumb enough to go on a public forum (anonymously) and suggest he is a hero for stiffing the hard-working wait person.  

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I have been to Ship's Cafe before and since and never had a tip pre calculated on my bill.  Just that one time.  I have no idea why they did it that one time .  And I was neither a hero or a prick.  I paid the bill I was presented.

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The server has no ability to specify the tip on the tab. The server is making $2.25/hr minimum wage (yes, that is two dollars) and the server is on the bottom of the totem pole in restaurant management. The management, not the server, set the 15% mandatory tip, because management cares about its wait staff.

 

What bothers me is not that some pr¡ck would stiff the low-paying wait staff the difference between a 25% and 15% tip because he is affronted by management policy. What amazes me is the pr¡ck is dumb enough to go on a public forum (anonymously) and suggest he is a hero for stiffing the hard-working wait person.  

Whenever someone tries to gain sympathy by mentioning the minimum wage that a wait staff member earns, it shows a disingenuous approach to any discussion about this subject. My wife was a waitress when she was is college. I've had friends who waited tables. They earn such a low salary because everyone knows they get tips. 

 

Let me offer a counter point to your comments by offering a very conservative estimation of how much money a wait person can earn. In my scenario, the bill is $50.00 and the wait person works 5 tables. If you are experienced in this industry, you know that those are conservative variables, since most meals cost more than $50 for a table of 2, and working 5 tables isn't the most tables someone would work in a usual situation. 

 

$50 X .15% (again, a conservative figure since most people tip .20% or more) = $7.50 X 5 tables = $37.5 + $2.25 = $39.75/hr

 

That's really nice bank for the demographic that compose the bulk of the wait staff industry across this nation. And they don't pay taxes on most of it. Anyone who has working knowledge, of how earnings are calculated for a member of the wait staff, knows that only a small portion of those tips are claimed as income.    

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Anyone who has working knowledge, of how earnings are calculated for a member of the wait staff, knows that only a small portion of those tips are claimed as income.    

That's exactly what my neice told me when we had a similar discussion. She told me the girl that trained her showed her how to handle it

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That's exactly what my neice told me when we had a similar discussion. She told me the girl that trained her showed her how to handle it

That's how my wife learned. They work the system, and there's nothing wrong with that.  ;)

 

If you took a comprehensive poll of waiters/waitresses across the industry, and asked them if they would rather earn minimum wage, or the money they get under the tips system, how many would choose minimum wage? 

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I think the unions and taxoholics hate the tipping system.

 

People getting paid for performance and results drives certain people crazy.

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some good opinions in here. if i was queen of the world, tipping would be 100% voluntary. i waitressed in high school and college. i worked my butt off to earn good money because my work time was limited and that's how i was raised. i put up with a whole lotta crap from rude and aggressive customers too! you would not believe some of the stuff that was said to me!! some of the girls that i worked with were lazy as crap and really didn't care at all about doing a good job. why should i have gotten the same tip pct. as them?? it makes no sense.

 

in any event, businesses have the right to make their own rules but we would never go to a place that had a "mandatory tip". the very phrase is an oxymoron..

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this is my 1st post so please don't hold it against me....a lot of people also don't realize that the wait staff has to "tip out".....what this means is that the wait staff gives a portions of their tips to the bus boys and the bartenders and the food expiditer, etc......the better the restaurant the more people the waitress has to give a portion of the tips to....

when I bussed tables back in the day, the waitresses never gave me a cut .. and I had the **** job of cleaning up the mess :(

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