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Right, the Orioles are 0-4 against the Yankees this year.

 

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Losses don't count if they're by smaller numbers of runs.

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Losses don't count if they're by smaller numbers of runs.

 

Do the wins count if its 3-2 or 2-1?

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Losses don't count if they're by smaller numbers of runs.

 

A loss is a loss but five come from behind wins in April is impressive by any standard. The bullpen has been excellent. Adam Jones and Matt Weiters are the real deal. Hardy will find his offense. The bench has made some critical contributions to winning games. Reimold is showing promise. Andino has become a very solid player.

 

Hamels, Hunter, and Chen have all been very good. Arrieta has been good. Matsuez has shown improvement and pitched his best game of the season this weekend.

 

I don't think anyone would have expected the O's to be 14 and 9 at this point in the season.

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A loss is a loss but five come from behind wins in April is impressive by any standard. The bullpen has been excellent. Adam Jones and Matt Weiters are the real deal. Hardy will find his offense. The bench has made some critical contributions to winning games. Reimold is showing promise. Andino has become a very solid player.

 

Hamels, Hunter, and Chen have all been very good. Arrieta has been good. Matsuez has shown improvement and pitched his best game of the season this weekend.

 

I don't think anyone would have expected the O's to be 14 and 9 at this point in the season.

 

Sure, they've overperformed, which nobody expected, but does anyone actually expect this to last? Is our starting pitching really in the top 5 in baseball? Is our bullpen really number 1?

 

Come on, surely nobody can actually believe that.

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Sure, they've overperformed, which nobody expected, but does anyone actually expect this to last? Is our starting pitching really in the top 5 in baseball? Is our bullpen really number 1?

 

Come on, surely nobody can actually believe that.

I do, the bullpen is equal to, or better than any in the American league and as for the offence, Reynolds and Hardy haven't even started to hit. We have as brutal of a schedule over these next two stands as any in baseball and I fully expect to get through them playing .500 ball, including the series over 'your' Texas Rangers!:)

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It's nothing we haven't always known: Need to go 32-40 against East. 5-1 against Tor is encouraging. Need to win a game in NY and 2 in Bos to avoid the usual collapse

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I do, the bullpen is equal to, or better than any in the American league and as for the offence, Reynolds and Hardy haven't even started to hit. We have as brutal of a schedule over these next two stands as any in baseball and I fully expect to get through them playing .500 ball, including the series over 'your' Texas Rangers!:)

 

It must be nice to be able to deny reality. I'm far less optimistic.

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It must be nice to be able to deny reality. I'm far less optimistic.

Reality my friend, is that the Baltimore Orioles are in first place in the American League East playing very good baseball and because of injuries and proven players yet to hit their stride only firing on 3 cylinder but still winning. Just wait for them to fire on all 4 and take it up a notch!

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Reality my friend, is that the Baltimore Orioles are in first place in the American League East playing very good baseball and because of injuries and proven players yet to hit their stride only firing on 3 cylinder but still winning. Just wait for them to fire on all 4 and take it up a notch!

 

They aren't in first anymore.

 

And their pitching is firing on 6 cylinders, but it's only a 4 cylinder engine. You don't really expect Hammel to have a Cy Young type year, do you? Or Hunter? Or Chen?

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They aren't in first anymore.

 

And their pitching is firing on 6 cylinders, but it's only a 4 cylinder engine. You don't really expect Hammel to have a Cy Young type year, do you? Or Hunter? Or Chen?

Yes, both Hammel and Chen, Hunter, not so much but he will remain an innings eater and more times than not giving the team a chance to win.

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It's nothing we haven't always known: Need to go 32-40 against East. 5-1 against Tor is encouraging. Need to win a game in NY and 2 in Bos to avoid the usual collapse

 

Precisely. What I see right now is a team that can probably consistently beat the bad to middling teams in the AL West and AL Central (which is an improvement in itself) but which hasn't demonstrated it can beat the contenders.

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I think they are better at aspects of the game that lead to more wins. They get hits in RBI situations and they don't lay down in the late innings. They actually come back.

 

on the other hand, their offense is weak. and while Hardy and Reynolds will probably heat up, Davis and Riemold will probably cool off, so that will be a wash. while I am fully enjoying this first month of good baseball, one month is not enough of a sample size for me to say they are for real.

 

this is a team of career unproven talents and back up players with a few proven players mixed in. that is always a recipe for mediocrity. once in a great while, you get a "why not" type team. but the odds aren't good.

 

the pitching is doing very, very well, but again I have to look at it from a logical perspective. on paper, the various careers of the O's SPs don't suggest this is who they will be for 6 months.

 

so I'm going to enjoy it for as long as it lasts.

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Right, the Orioles are 0-4 against the Yankees this year.

 

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This is a better team.

It's not going to count for anything at the end, except for a better overall record, but this a team that will win much more than the 60 a lot of people across the country predicted.

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This is a better team.

It's not going to count for anything at the end, except for a better overall record, but this a team that will win much more than the 60 a lot of people across the country predicted.

Exactly! We have more depth and more interchangeable parts than most teams in baseball. Reynolds continues to struggle at 3rd. but plays very well defensively at 1st. base, plus he will eventually take off at the plate, hopefully coinciding with when the current home run leaders on the team cool of a little from their hot start to take up the load. The revolving door at DH is not producing the hits one might have hoped for a month into the season but it is allowing us to rest players more and in doing so avoid the injuries sometimes incurred when having to keep players on the field when not totally fit.

 

Outside of Gregg the bullpen has been lights out plus we have depth in the minors with a number of very good relievers ready to come up when needed.

 

Nobody expects the O's to be a playoff team this season but some of us did predict, against the majority of posters, the sort of improvement the O's are showing. We would all have been pleased for the O's to be playing .500 ball at the beginning of the season and many laughed at the new GM predicting that we would. I note that the majority of posters that predicted that the 2012 O's are a far worse team than the 2011 O's are starting to eat their words.;)

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Exactly! We have more depth and more interchangeable parts than most teams in baseball. Reynolds continues to struggle at 3rd. but plays very well defensively at 1st. base, plus he will eventually take off at the plate, hopefully coinciding with when the current home run leaders on the team cool of a little from their hot start to take up the load. The revolving door at DH is not producing the hits one might have hoped for a month into the season but it is allowing us to rest players more and in doing so avoid the injuries sometimes incurred when having to keep players on the field when not totally fit.

 

Outside of Gregg the bullpen has been lights out plus we have depth in the minors with a number of very good relievers ready to come up when needed.

 

Nobody expects the O's to be a playoff team this season but some of us did predict, against the majority of posters, the sort of improvement the O's are showing. We would all have been pleased for the O's to be playing .500 ball at the beginning of the season and many laughed at the new GM predicting that we would. I note that the majority of posters that predicted that the 2012 O's are a far worse team than the 2011 O's are starting to eat their words.;)

 

easy, it's still April (since they haven't played today yet). that's a long way from the finish line.

 

I'm not hoping for a collapse, quite the opposite. a big part of their success will be the pitching staying at or near this level of quality starts. if the BP has to start coming in for the 4th-5th inning most nights, the wheels will fall off real quick. that's not pessimism talking, that's just how baseball works. no BP can carry a weak starting rotation for 4-5 months. they get tired and burned out.

 

it all hinges on the pitching with this team, unless the bats start cranking out 6-7 runs a game. that would allow Buck to stick with a struggling starter.

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easy, it's still April (since they haven't played today yet). that's a long way from the finish line.

 

I'm not hoping for a collapse, quite the opposite. a big part of their success will be the pitching staying at or near this level of quality starts. if the BP has to start coming in for the 4th-5th inning most nights, the wheels will fall off real quick. that's not pessimism talking, that's just how baseball works. no BP can carry a weak starting rotation for 4-5 months. they get tired and burned out.

 

it all hinges on the pitching with this team, unless the bats start cranking out 6-7 runs a game. that would allow Buck to stick with a struggling starter.

Arn't Chen and Hammel a pleasant surprise? Pretty good additions I would say by a GM that was ridiculed for making the Guthrie trade and picking up players on the International market which many on this board described as the leftovers in the Far East that nobody else wanted. Seems like DD might be a better evaluator of under the radar pitching/baseball talent than many gave him credit for.

 

If memory serves me correctly, my friend, you were among that group?:)

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This is a better team.

It's not going to count for anything at the end, except for a better overall record, but this a team that will win much more than the 60 a lot of people across the country predicted.

Right...so in stead of 60...it will be more around 64-66 or so. Whuppee.

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They aren't in first anymore.

 

And their pitching is firing on 6 cylinders, but it's only a 4 cylinder engine. You don't really expect Hammel to have a Cy Young type year, do you? Or Hunter? Or Chen?

 

The pitching may not play as good as they are now, but the hitting won'y play as bad either. i believe the orioles will be competitive this year, the whole year. They may be over achieving but there is nothing to say they cannot do it for the whole season.

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Arn't Chen and Hammel a pleasant surprise? Pretty good additions I would say by a GM that was ridiculed for making the Guthrie trade and picking up players on the International market which many on this board described as the leftovers in the Far East that nobody else wanted. Seems like DD might be a better evaluator of under the radar pitching/baseball talent than many gave him credit for.

 

If memory serves me correctly, my friend, you were among that group?:)

 

your memory serves you very well about the Asian guys, I don't know if I specifically commented on Hammel and Lindstrom. but I remember how I felt after looking at their numbers, so if I did comment it would have been with skepticism.

 

don't worry, I won't hide from my comments. but since you decided to call me out for it, how'd your Prince Fielder to baltimore prediction work out? ;)

 

I'd rather see the team do well than be right. but is one month enough time to evaluate the team's season?

 

if these guys continue to pitch like this, I'll be happy to sing his praises. I'll sing them now for the first month.

 

that reminds me, I need to follow up on the 17 yr old softball player. that one still makes me laugh :D

 

if DD built a team that finished in 3rd place, I'll put full faith in him for the future. but at some point a break out team needs to fortify. and we all know the challenges that presents to any Orioles GM.

 

fingers crossed

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Count me in the camp that says this is a decidedly better team than last year. Hamels and Lindstrom for Guthrie? Looking more and more like a steal. Anyone still calling Weiters a bust? Andino? Davis? Both have a nice upside. And this is all without Britton, who was a major reason for the team's early success last year. This franchise was in such sorry shape 2 years ago when Buck took over. No they're not going to win every game, but I like the fact that, even in losses like last night's, they are competitive. Kuroda deserves some credit for that win.

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Count me in the camp that says this is a decidedly better team than last year. Hamels and Lindstrom for Guthrie? Looking more and more like a steal. Anyone still calling Weiters a bust? Andino? Davis? Both have a nice upside. And this is all without Britton, who was a major reason for the team's early success last year. This franchise was in such sorry shape 2 years ago when Buck took over. No they're not going to win every game, but I like the fact that, even in losses like last night's, they are competitive. Kuroda deserves some credit for that win.
Exactly! If we can play .500 ball, or close to it through the current stand and the next home stand then we will have played competitive baseball through arguably the toughest period of games this season. I saw nothing in the game last night that says that barring a spate of unforeseen injuries to key players, that we can't achieve that.

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I look at the four Yankees losses and I can't say that we were over matched or blown out of any of those games.

 

The O's got off to a hot start and had an excellent road trip.

 

In terms of the pitching. I watch most of these games. I see good stuff, pitchers working fast, movement on the fast ball, et cetera.

 

Honestly, the biggest two liabilities have been atrocious defense and some anemic numbers from the likes of Hardy and Reynolds. Both players will heat up.

 

I'm not buying playoff tickets but the team is clearly better and there are pitchers in the minor leagues who can step in in the event of an injury.

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