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#1 Far from home

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

Imo, this is a bad move for the Jays - but I like the initiative.
Knuckleballers are violatile.
Still, I see what the Jays are thinking here.
They are starting pitching away from making a move in the AL East, and they don't need a total revamp, just a couple of guys.
If they get similar production out of him in '13, they will have committed a short term coup - but if D'Arnaud works out, they make have their next franchise player.
On the other hand, this is the type of move the Mets need to make.
The perpetual losing and poor development system should make this team desperate to get younger.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:01 PM

I love it, good luck having him duplicate last year in the AL East...The Blue Jays will be the biggest dissapointment in baseball this year, book it!! Reyes and JJ are overrated and always hurt...And Buerhle will get torched in the East! God i just wish the Os would get a cleanup hitter!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

This guy in our division? Great.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

Now that the details have been sorted....
overall, this isn't a horrible deal for the Mets, but it's a lot less than you would expect.
They also had to give up players with Dickey, which is kind of a surprise.

Toronto now has a surplus of pitching.
JJ, Dickey, Buerhle, Morrow, Drabek, Alvarez...and whomever else.
Who is their no 1? Who is their no 2?
I'm of the thought that it will be Dickey, Buerhle, JJ, Morrow, and Alvarez, unless Morrow and Drabek make pushes for up in the rotation and to get in it.
The big hole they have now is at closer, and I think they'll be able to figure out something.
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#5 bmore_ken

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

Dickey is a flash in the pan in my opinion.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:56 PM

I think the Mets got a great haul for Dickey if the reports are accurate.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:24 AM

Dickey is a flash in the pan in my opinion.


I hope you're right. He embarrassed the Orioles last year.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:15 AM

I saw an article that mentioned the deal is contingent on him signing an extension with the Jays.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:29 AM

Dickey is a flash in the pan in my opinion.


I thought this also, until he continued to destroy every team later in the season. And thing with knuckleballers is he'll pitch till he is 45.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:38 AM

I thought this also, until he continued to destroy every team later in the season. And thing with knuckleballers is he'll pitch till he is 45.


Ben McDonald had a good season once. If he does what he did last season again, then I'll be convinced. Especially in the AL East
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:09 AM

Ben McDonald had a good season once. If he does what he did last season again, then I'll be convinced. Especially in the AL East


I haven't looked at his stats, but I hard he's had 2 or 3 good seasons in a row. obviously last year was his best. but you're right, the ALe is much tougher than the NLe.
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#12 bmore_ken

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:19 AM

I haven't looked at his stats, but I hard he's had 2 or 3 good seasons in a row. obviously last year was his best. but you're right, the ALe is much tougher than the NLe.


8-13 in 2011, 3.28.
11-9 the year before with a 2.84 both years with the Mets
His lowest AL era was 4.62 with the Twins(AL Central), I wish him luck he's going to need it
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:10 AM

8-13 in 2011, 3.28.
11-9 the year before with a 2.84 both years with the Mets
His lowest AL era was 4.62 with the Twins(AL Central), I wish him luck he's going to need it


I looked at his stats. 2009 was the first season he threw the knuckler. he tinkered with it in a few previous seasons, but '09 was the first season he started and finished as a knuckle ball thrower. and that's the year he started seeing amazingly better numbers and success. then he went to the Mets where he's continued to get better.

again, I think the ALe will be a bigger challenge for him, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him have continued success, especially if he's moved to the #3 slot in the rotation.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:12 AM

I think he's going to get hammered
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

I think he's going to get hammered


I'm all for that. :D
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#16 Far from home

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:36 AM

8-13 in 2011, 3.28.
11-9 the year before with a 2.84 both years with the Mets
His lowest AL era was 4.62 with the Twins(AL Central), I wish him luck he's going to need it


Sounds pretty consistent, and he was on bad teams, which probably accounts for the record.

He threw 69 percent of his pitches for strikes - that's Cliff Lee level.

Also, he had a 1.71 with 4 wins in 6 games against other teams in the AL East.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

I still think he's going to get lit up. I guess we'll see
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

Although he'll never come close to another Cy Young, the only way he gets lit up is if he loses the ability to throw his knuckler for strikes. Transferring to the AL with the DH will add .5 to .75 to the ERA and so he should be around 4.00 ERA. He will be a very useful number 2 or 3 starter for about three years before he fades away into Tim Wakefield Land (TWL).

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:18 PM

I think he's going to get hammered


you have no evidence to base that on. He developed knuckle ball and started getting everyone out. You can't compare stats before he developed knuckle ball.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

you have no evidence to base that on. He developed knuckle ball and started getting everyone out. .


In the NL e
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:




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