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#1 Baltimatt

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:02 PM

Florist refuses to follow state anti-discrimination law

State Attorney General Bob Ferguson on Tuesday filed a consumer protection lawsuit against Arlene’s Flowers & Gifts, a Richland florist that refused to supply flowers to the same-sex marriage of a longtime customer. Ferguson said he sent a March 28 letter to owner Barronelle Stutzman asking her to reconsider and supply flowers to customer Robert Ingersoll. Through an attorney, Stutzman declined to change her position.

Attorney General Bob Ferguson: He's suing a Richland florist who refused to supply flowers for a same-sex marriage. "As Attorney General, it is my job to enforce the laws of the state of Washington,” said Ferguson. “Under the Consumer Protection Act, it is unlawful to discriminate against customers based on sexual orientation. If a business provides a product or service to opposite-sex couples for their weddings, then it must provide same sex couples the same product or service.”


Prohibited discrimination is so uncool.
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Posted 20 February 2015 - 12:20 PM

"In a phone interview with The Daily Signal, Barronelle Stutzman said the decision—and its accompanying fines—will put her flower shop out of business, or worse.
 
After the fines and legal fees, “There won’t be anything left,” Stutzman said.
 
“They want my home, they want my business, they want my personal finances as an example for other people to be quiet.”"
 
 
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#3 Baltimatt

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 01:47 PM

Don't want to be fined?  Don't break the law and discriminate.


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#4 douger

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 06:55 PM

Florist refuses to follow state anti-discrimination law



Prohibited discrimination is so uncool.

I doubt it will be challenged, but I wonder about the constitutionality.

 

As a businessman, all I see is green. I don't care if you're a man, woman, black, white, or have sex with goats. Just bring the green.

 

On the other hand, if your principles force you in denying yourself business opportunities based on certain characteristics I think the ultimate loser is that businessman.



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 08:15 PM

http://www.washingto...o-gay-weddings/

A florist rejected a settlement offer from Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson on Friday, days after a state judge ruled that her “relationship with Jesus” was not enough to justify her refusal to provide flower arrangements for the wedding of a same-sex couple.

The Wednesday ruling determined that the “religiously-motivated conduct” of Barronelle Stutzman, the Southern Baptist owner of Arlene’s flowers, was in “direct and insoluble conflict” with the state’s anti-discrimination and consumer protection laws.

On Friday, Stutzman told Ferguson in a letter released through her attorneys that the state’s settlement offer of a $2,000 penalty, a $1 payment for court and legal fees, and an agreement “not to discriminate in the future,” was akin to Judas’s betrayal of Jesus in the Bible. “You are asking me to walk in the way of a well-known betrayer, one who sold something of infinite worth for 30 pieces of silver,” she wrote, adding, “that is something I will not do.”


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Posted 20 February 2015 - 08:32 PM

It sounds more like a protest against a specific event rather than discrimination against a certain person or persons.


Edited by mdrunning, 20 February 2015 - 08:33 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:06 PM

 http://abcnews.go.co...lowers-29964374

A Washington state florist who refused to provide flowers for a same-sex wedding was fined $1,000 Friday, plus $1 for court costs and fees.  Benton County Superior Judge Alexander Ekstrom's ruling gives Barronelle Stutzman, owner of Arlene's Flowers and Gifts in Richland, Washington, 60 days to pay the state for her refusal to serve Robert Ingersoll and Curt Freed when they sought to buy wedding flowers in 2013.

Stutzman, who had sold flowers to Ingersoll for years, knew he was gay and said when he sought to buy wedding flowers that the marriage went against her beliefs as a Southern Baptist. After they were refused flowers, Ingersoll and Freed went ahead with a smaller wedding than they had planned. They got married in their home with 11 guests and flowers from another florist.

 


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#8 douger

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:09 PM

It must be a thrill to have the force of law make someone take business from someone else.

 

So... what was the actual harm to the plaintiffs? They had to call another florist?



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:17 PM

It must be a thrill to have the force of law make someone take business from someone else.

 

So... what was the actual harm to the plaintiffs? They had to call another florist?

So you're cool with illegal discrimination?  If a black couple gets turned away, they can just go to another florist?


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:20 PM



And here I thought Indiana was the new Hawaii....
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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:24 PM

So you're cool with illegal discrimination?  If a black couple gets turned away, they can just go to another florist?

Why yes, they can. There's only one florist in all of America?

 

Why would I spend my money at a business where it wasn't appreciated?

 

I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. I'm saying people should have the right to be azzholes. The consequence for being an azzhole is not making a sale, and it could be as much as not making a bunch of sales when word gets out that you're an azzhole.


Edited by douger, 27 March 2015 - 08:26 PM.


#12 ms maggie

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:24 PM

Just a question: when ordering flowers for a wedding, does the florist asks if it's a same or opposite sex wedding? My experience is you pick your colors, type and number of arrangements, price range and tell them where/when and hand them a credit card. Never felt the need to discuss anything more personal and frankly don't think they gave a rip.

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:34 PM

So you're cool with illegal discrimination?  If a black couple gets turned away, they can just go to another florist?

I dont think a private business should be forced to do business w/ anyone for any reason. If an asian in a blue shirt cuts me off in traffic, I should be able to not serve asians wearing blue shirts all week if I want. They can spend their money with my competition, my loss.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:37 PM

Just a question: when ordering flowers for a wedding, does the florist asks if it's a same or opposite sex wedding? My experience is you pick your colors, type and number of arrangements, price range and tell them where/when and hand them a credit card. Never felt the need to discuss anything more personal and frankly don't think they gave a rip.

I guess telling the florist that the groom's name is Neal and the bride's name is Bob might be the giveaway.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:41 PM

I dont think a private business should be forced to do business w/ anyone for any reason. If an asian in a blue shirt cuts me off in traffic, I should be able to not serve asians wearing blue shirts all week if I want. They can spend their money with my competition, my loss.


But the law says differently.

I agree with the law but were I gay, or an Asian blue shirt wearing fella in your case,frankly wouldn't care to give my business to people who hold such benighted attitudes. Life's too short.

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:43 PM

But the law says differently.

I agree with the law but were I gay, or an Asian blue shirt wearing fella in your case,frankly wouldn't care to give my business to people who hold such benighted attitudes. Life's too short.

But there's no "gay agenda."



#17 ms maggie

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:45 PM

I guess telling the florist that the groom's name is Neal and the bride's name is Bob might be the giveaway.


Think the only name they asked for in my experience was the one on my Amex card!! Though asking for 2 boutiniers or 2 bridal bouquets might give it away!

Oy.

#18 ms maggie

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:47 PM

But there's no "gay agenda."


Well it may be a "walk a mile in my shoes" thing? Maybe after waiting so long for gay marriage to be legal, I might be a tad touchy myself. Who knows. Flowers and cake, the last frontier.

Edited by ms maggie, 27 March 2015 - 08:48 PM.


#19 Cameron

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:53 PM

I dont think a private business should be forced to do business w/ anyone for any reason. If an asian in a blue shirt cuts me off in traffic, I should be able to not serve asians wearing blue shirts all week if I want. They can spend their money with my competition, my loss.

 

You could refuse to serve people wearing blue shirts. 



#20 TommyT

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:53 PM

But the law says differently.

I agree with the law but were I gay, or an Asian blue shirt wearing fella in your case,frankly wouldn't care to give my business to people who hold such benighted attitudes. Life's too short.

If only others were as enlightened as you.. but no they gotta go making laws against people's freedoms and calling lawyers.. If somebody didnt want my business, I'll spend my money elsewhere.






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