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#1 grggngll

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:24 PM

A new video exposé released Tuesday of the Aaron Women’s Clinic in Houston, one of three clinics owned by abortionist Douglas Karpen, depicts gruesome details of the practices of an abortionist who is currently facing a criminal investigation for allegedly allowing late-term babies to be born alive then twisting their heads off with his bare hands.

According to LifeNews, three former employees of Karpen's brought forward photos taken on their cell phones at his clinic on Schumacher Lane in Houston. The photos depicted two babies aborted well beyond the legal limit of 24 weeks in Texas. The babies’ necks had been cut.

In the new video produced by Life Dynamics, a national pro-life organization, the three former employees of abortionist Karpen allege that the Kermit Gosnell “house of horrors” abortion clinic was not the anomaly that the abortion industry says it is.

http://www.breitbart...-of-Abortionist

#2 veritas

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:05 PM

These people are sadists who'd have fit right in at Dachau and Auschwitz.

#3 grggngll

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:22 AM

It looks like these 'creative' infant terminations (i.e. pro-choice implementations) are quite widespread.

Let's see, we have:
locking up born alive babies in a room and wait for them to die;
snipping spines;
severing necks;
sucking out brains;
dismembering;
twist, turn and pull.

What a bunch of degenerates! That includes the Leftists who provide linguistic cover for those that implement what 'pro-choice' means.

I am happy to report that the 0 curse continues.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:08 AM

Why do people who are opposed to abortion work in abortion clinics? Why don't they report these incidents to the authorities when they occur?

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:52 AM

Why do people who are opposed to abortion work in abortion clinics? Why don't they report these incidents to the authorities when they occur?


My question as well.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:06 AM

Why do people who are opposed to abortion work in abortion clinics? Why don't they report these incidents to the authorities when they occur?


Simple, the almighty dollar rules and most people are hypocrites. There's abundant evidence of both on these forums.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:43 AM

Woman's Right to Choose = Hundreds of Dead Babies. Daily.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:56 AM

I am in principle against abortion, believing that a fetus is a living human being. But as a conservative opposed to oppressive government control over our personal lives, I cannot endorse making the procedure illegal. There are in fact circumstances that mitigate ending a pregnancy, and no matter what it needs to be the decision of the parents and their doctor. The life of the child is not the only consideration. Just like many issues and behaviors we would like to see regulated, instead of draconian laws that force individuals into inapplicable categories, much can be accomplished by providing alternative options, parental participation in the decision for young women, education to make people aware of those options as well as the consequences of abortion (lots of women are unexpectedly deeply hurt spiritually, physically and and emotionally by the process), and perhaps even incentives to choose life. The reproductive rights crowd and the abortion industry act like this is some sort of unconscionable intrusion on women, but this issue is not that simple. It is true you cannot legislate morality, but there is nothing wrong with at least presenting morality, and certainly nothing wrong with expecting doctors and providers to have ethical standards and comply with the laws about late term abortions. Scenes like Gosnell and Aaron clinics are the result of practicing without ethics. Some times right and wrong should take precedence over rights.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:00 AM

I am in principle against abortion, believing that a fetus is a living human being. But as a conservative opposed to oppressive government control over our personal lives, I cannot endorse making the procedure illegal. There are in fact circumstances that mitigate ending a pregnancy, and no matter what it needs to be the decision of the parents and their doctor. The life of the child is not the only consideration. Just like many issues and behaviors we would like to see regulated, instead of draconian laws that force individuals into inapplicable categories, much can be accomplished by providing alternative options, parental participation in the decision for young women, education to make people aware of those options as well as the consequences of abortion (lots of women are unexpectedly deeply hurt spiritually, physically and and emotionally by the process), and perhaps even incentives to choose life. The reproductive rights crowd and the abortion industry act like this is some sort of unconscionable intrusion on women, but this issue is not that simple. It is true you cannot legislate morality, but there is nothing wrong with at least presenting morality, and certainly nothing wrong with expecting doctors and providers to have ethical standards and comply with the laws about late term abortions. Scenes like Gosnell and Aaron clinics are the result of practicing without ethics. Some times right and wrong should take precedence over rights.


Sounds Heretical...

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:25 AM

Sounds Heretical...


How so?

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:50 PM

I am in principle against abortion, believing that a fetus is a living human being. But as a conservative opposed to oppressive government control over our personal lives, I cannot endorse making the procedure illegal. There are in fact circumstances that mitigate ending a pregnancy, and no matter what it needs to be the decision of the parents and their doctor. The life of the child is not the only consideration. Just like many issues and behaviors we would like to see regulated, instead of draconian laws that force individuals into inapplicable categories, much can be accomplished by providing alternative options, parental participation in the decision for young women, education to make people aware of those options as well as the consequences of abortion (lots of women are unexpectedly deeply hurt spiritually, physically and and emotionally by the process), and perhaps even incentives to choose life. The reproductive rights crowd and the abortion industry act like this is some sort of unconscionable intrusion on women, but this issue is not that simple. It is true you cannot legislate morality, but there is nothing wrong with at least presenting morality, and certainly nothing wrong with expecting doctors and providers to have ethical standards and comply with the laws about late term abortions. Scenes like Gosnell and Aaron clinics are the result of practicing without ethics. Some times right and wrong should take precedence over rights.


Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

“Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless.”


― Martin Luther King Jr.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:37 PM

I am in principle against abortion, believing that a fetus is a living human being. But as a conservative opposed to oppressive government control over our personal lives, I cannot endorse making the procedure illegal. There are in fact circumstances that mitigate ending a pregnancy, and no matter what it needs to be the decision of the parents and their doctor. The life of the child is not the only consideration. Just like many issues and behaviors we would like to see regulated, instead of draconian laws that force individuals into inapplicable categories, much can be accomplished by providing alternative options, parental participation in the decision for young women, education to make people aware of those options as well as the consequences of abortion (lots of women are unexpectedly deeply hurt spiritually, physically and and emotionally by the process), and perhaps even incentives to choose life. The reproductive rights crowd and the abortion industry act like this is some sort of unconscionable intrusion on women, but this issue is not that simple. It is true you cannot legislate morality, but there is nothing wrong with at least presenting morality, and certainly nothing wrong with expecting doctors and providers to have ethical standards and comply with the laws about late term abortions. Scenes like Gosnell and Aaron clinics are the result of practicing without ethics. Some times right and wrong should take precedence over rights.


There you go injecting commonsense into the discussion.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:38 PM

First, let me say, I have always been pro-choice, never have wavered, and after 30+ years of nursing I still believe the same way.

Second, after 30+ years of nursing, it is difficult for me to post here, with the knowledge and experiences I have had to make blanket statements about abortions at 20+ weeks. There are medical conditions, both for the woman and fetus that occur that warrant late term abortions for the health of the woman. There are woman who do not have the money for the procedure to have it done earlier, there are women who have loss access to woman's clinics such as in Jackson, Mississippi (there is one clinic in the entire state), there are women who misjudge the gestational age, some are actually pressured into the abortion.

Thirdly, I do know that women will seek to end pregnancies as they have done throughout history, they will seek them out in back alleys and most likely die from it. I had a great grandmother who did so and died from a botched abortion (my great grandfather left her destitute with 2 children to raise and she found herself pregnant again).

I do not walk in those women's shoes, and they do not walk in mine. It is so much easier to point and judge, harder to understand how and why and to help.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 03:07 PM

songfourone, I have always been pro-choice except for late-term abortions. I've never understood the need for a woman to have one. Could a cesarean be done and the baby given up for adoption rather than killing it? I've asked this question of others and have never gotten an answer.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:56 PM

songfourone, I have always been pro-choice except for late-term abortions. I've never understood the need for a woman to have one. Could a cesarean be done and the baby given up for adoption rather than killing it? I've asked this question of others and have never gotten an answer.


Late term abortions are considered to be abortions 20 weeks plus, and account for 1.4% of abortions in the US. As I said in my previous post there are many reasons why, when you only have one clinic in the entire state that could be an issue, so affordability and access, misjudging the gestational age, emotional stress/not being able to make decision and inability to inform parents/partner, lack of education or understanding, and medical issues, to name just a few, and some people are just not responsible.

As you can see most abortions are done way before the 20th week period in fact the average is 9 weeks. Abortions past 24 weeks are very seldom (approx 0.08%, just over 1000 pregnancies) but do occur but reasons are not listed and may or may not have a medical basis for it.

At early and later term abortions all avenues should be explored with education and support for the woman to make the choice that is best for her.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:05 PM

Thank you for answering my question. I especially agree with your last sentence.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:12 PM

Thank you for answering my question. I especially agree with your last sentence.


I am a firm believer of making educated medical choices no matter what, patients do not ask nor should they receive moral or judgements from staff.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:45 AM

Houston doctor Douglas Karpen is accused by four former employees of delivering live fetuses during third-trimester abortions and killing them by either snipping their spinal cord, stabbing a surgical instrument into their heads or 'twisting their heads off their necks with his own bare hands'.

http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2TYcfqOgO

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:48 AM

At a rate of 0.08% (if that is true), then 3,200,000 babies have been terminated.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:30 AM

At a rate of 0.08% (if that is true), then 3,200,000 babies have been terminated.


nope.




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