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Come on Duquette.... we need pitching help NOW

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The Orioles are struggling. Especially the pitching. You can't expect these hitters to keep carrying the team. Since May 11, the O's are 12-14. But the scary part is, the runs they are allowing:

 

The scores in the last 14 losses (since May 11):

 

8-5

3-2

8-4

12-10

10-6

3-1

6-4

12-6

6-5

9-3

10-3

11-7

2-1

8-0

 

 

9 of those 14 losses, they allowed 8 runs or more, including 5 games in which they allowed 10 runs or more. :eek:

 

6 of those losses, the offense scored 5 runs or more. :(

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Good pitching beats good hitting every time..Tampa Bay has it, the O's don't.

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Outscored 108-57 in those losses. Yikes. :eek::(

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Starters

Player      GS   W-L    ERA
---------------------------
Hammel      13   7-4   5.18
Tillman     12   5-2   3.97
Gonzalez    10   3-2   4.05
Chen         8   3-3   3.04
Garcia       7   2-3   4.70
Arrieta      4   1-1   6.63
Gausman      4   0-3   8.84
Jurrjens     1   0-0   7.20
Stinson      1   0-0   7.94
Britton      1   0-1   9.00
Johnson      1   0-1  13.50
---------------------------
Totals      62  21-20  4.92[/b]

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Starters

Player      GS   W-L    ERA
---------------------------
Hammel      13   7-4   5.18
Tillman     12   5-2   3.97
Gonzalez    10   3-2   4.05
Chen         8   3-3   3.04
Garcia       7   2-3   4.70
Arrieta      4   1-1   6.63
Gausman      4   0-3   8.84
Jurrjens     1   0-0   7.20
Stinson      1   0-0   7.94
Britton      1   0-1   9.00
Johnson      1   0-1  13.50
---------------------------
Totals      62  21-20  4.92[/b]

 

Getting Chen back should help but other than that, there's not much you can do at this point. Hammel's been a major disappointment and the bullpen hasn't been lights out like last year. Another problem the Orioles never seem to figure out is getting pitchers on this team that get hitters to hit ground balls. Playing in the softball dimensions of Camden Yards, it's death to fly ball pitchers and the Orioles always seem to have plenty of them. They give up a ton of homeruns and this year is no different. Having the best defense in the American League proves nothing if the balls are winding up in the cheap seats. Too many pitches, too many homeruns. It's been a killer for several years.

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What's different since DD looked at the roster 6 months ago and decided not to make significant adjustments to last years 90+ win team?

Shouldn't Matusz and Hobgood have developed into top of the rotation starters by now?

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Who is he going to trade for?

Who do the O's have?

 

This is where I'm at. Everyone knows they need pitching help. Are the teams looking to deal really going to deal now or will they wait until the deadline nears and hope they can bid the price up?

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Frankly Dan Uggula would help more. Plus you have to have something to trade? Want to give up Bundy? I remember last year people wanted to trade Manny M. for pitching help.

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garza's contract is up, it wouldn't take a bundy to get him from the cubbie's.

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Good pitching beats good hitting every time..Tampa Bay has it, the O's don't.

 

Your avatar was better last year.

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Hobgood

 

you yankee fans repeatedly bring him up. I don't think it's going to work out for him. you guys may need to just accept that he isn't going to be an impact pitcher and move on.

 

I know O's fans have.

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Who is he going to trade for?

Who do the O's have?

 

I doubt any team at this point is giving up an impact pitcher for anything we have. Even Gausman may not be in demand anymore with how he's performed

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garza's contract is up, it wouldn't take a bundy to get him from the cubbie's.

 

Who do you want to trade for him that The Cubs will take?

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I doubt any team at this point is giving up an impact pitcher for anything we have. Even Gausman may not be in demand anymore with how he's performed

 

excluding Bundy, I don't know of any O's prospects who are in demend.

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Garcia pitching over Jurrjens is stupid. I don't care about MiLB numbers too much. Garcia is washed up, he's old and physically has a hard time doing it anymore. Jurrjens was one pitch away from turning in a completely acceptable start. Plus he's 27, injury problem aside.

 

Britton has been doing OK this year in the minors, and heck I wouldn't mind seeing Matusz get two starts just to see where he's at.

 

Anything is better than wasting starts on an old guy that has no future with the team.

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Garcia pitching over Jurrjens is stupid. I don't care about MiLB numbers too much. Garcia is washed up, he's old and physically has a hard time doing it anymore. Jurrjens was one pitch away from turning in a completely acceptable start. Plus he's 27, injury problem aside.

 

Britton has been doing OK this year in the minors, and heck I wouldn't mind seeing Matusz get two starts just to see where he's at.

 

Anything is better than wasting starts on an old guy that has no future with the team.

 

I agree with you about Jurrgens over Garcia. looking at both pitchers today, rather than career accomplishments, Jurrgens seem more likely to give the team a better performance, more often.

 

I wouldn't give Matusz a start. he hasn't proven he can routinely go 1 inning without getting roughed up. he is a 1-2 batter, specialty pitcher. nothing more.

 

the guy couldn't shut down the bottom of the TB batting order. and they weren't even the regular 7-8-9 guys, they were light hitting defensive replacements. he's not a starting pitcher.

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It's ironic that this thread exists when the whole offseason I read so many posts here about how wonderful our pitching depth was :(

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I hear ya ken. Dempsey said this Oriole team had the best bullpen he's ever seen. LOL

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I wouldn't give Matusz a start. he hasn't proven he can routinely go 1 inning without getting roughed up. he is a 1-2 batter, specialty pitcher. nothing more.

 

the guy couldn't shut down the bottom of the TB batting order. and they weren't even the regular 7-8-9 guys, they were light hitting defensive replacements. he's not a starting pitcher.

 

I tend to agree with your point, but I think it's only fair to point out that had Matt and Manny communicated better on that foul pop-up, that bad inning yesterday may not have been so bad.

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I tend to agree with your point, but I think it's only fair to point out that had Matt and Manny communicated better on that foul pop-up, that bad inning yesterday may not have been so bad.

 

good point, but it still would have only minimized the damage. the D saves the pitchers game after game. the pitchers need to pick up the offense & D once in awhile.

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good point, but it still would have only minimized the damage. the D saves the pitchers game after game. the pitchers need to pick up the offense & D once in awhile.

 

It's tough for the defense to save anyone when Oriole pitchers continue to give up homeruns at such a ridiculous rate. There's no other way to say it- this pitching staff STINKS. It's a credit to the team's resiliency that they're over .500.

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It's tough for the defense to save anyone when Oriole pitchers continue to give up homeruns at such a ridiculous rate. There's no other way to say it- this pitching staff STINKS. It's a credit to the team's resiliency that they're over .500.

 

I don't think they suck. things look worse than they are because their most reliable pitcher has been on the DL for a month. losing Chen throws the rest of the rotation out of order. Garcia is ~ a 5th starter, at best. and that is the weakest aspect of the rotation. but few teams have a good #5 pitcher, so while it looks bad up close, it's not much worse than most of the other teams in the league. when Chen returns, it will help a great deal, even if Hammel continues to be hit or miss in his starts. these things feed off of each other.

 

I'm not turning a blind eye to the weakness of the rotation, I just don't think things are as bad as they seem right now. looking long term, the O's will mash the ball and beat weak pitching by having the offense compensate for their starters. this will keep them competitive. it's not a recipe for certain success, but it bides time until Chen returns and Gausman gets his sea legs under him (if that's possible this season).

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Zach Britton pitching tonight for Norfolk.

 

6 inn

1 er

4 h

2 bb

5 so

 

He's still pitching. 2-2 3.48 era at Norfolk

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