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#1 Joy in Mudville

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:11 PM

Who do you sign?

Bronson Arroyo (37)
Scott Baker (32)
Erik Bedard (35)
A.J. Burnett (37)
Chris Capuano (35) - $8MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Chris Carpenter (39)
Bruce Chen (37)
Bartolo Colon (41)
Jorge De La Rosa (33) - $11MM club option
Scott Feldman (30)
Gavin Floyd (31)
Jeff Francis (33)
Freddy Garcia (37)
Jon Garland (34)
Matt Garza (30)
Chad Gaudin (31)
Roy Halladay (37)
Jason Hammel (31)
Aaron Harang (36) - $7MM+ mutual option with a $2MM buyout
Dan Haren (33)
Roberto Hernandez (33)
Tim Hudson (38)
Phil Hughes (28)
Ubaldo Jimenez (30) - may void $8MM option for 2014
Josh Johnson (30)
Jeff Karstens (31)
Scott Kazmir (30)
Hiroki Kuroda (39)
Jon Lester (30) - $13MM club option with a $250K buyout
Colby Lewis (34)
Ted Lilly (38)
Tim Lincecum (30)
Paul Maholm (32)
Shaun Marcum (32)
Jason Marquis (35)
Daisuke Matsuzaka (33)
Randy Messenger (32)
Ricky Nolasco (31)
Roy Oswalt (35)
Mike Pelfrey (30)
Wandy Rodriguez (35) - $13MM player option with a $2.5MM buyout
Ervin Santana (31)
Johan Santana (34) - $25MM club option with a $5.5MM buyout
Joe Saunders (33) - mutual option
James Shields (32) - $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Vargas (31)
Ryan Vogelsong (36) - $6.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
Edinson Volquez (30)
Tsuyoshi Wada (33) - $5MM club option
Jake Westbrook (36) -- $9.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Chien-Ming Wang (34)
Barry Zito (36) - $18MM club option with a $7MM buyout

#2 Slidemaster

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:38 PM

Anyone they sign will be 34 or over, of little consequence, and on the cheap.

They'll say that this year they had some bad luck and should have had a better record than before, stand pat, and go into next year expecting more magic.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 07:20 PM

Who I would sign and who King Peter would pay for are 2 different things.

I'd sign Hughes cheaply and trade for a #1 under 30 who wears Seattle on his jersey. That organization is a mess and needs players.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:19 PM

Anyone they sign will be 34 or over, of little consequence, and on the cheap.

They'll say that this year they had some bad luck and should have had a better record than before, stand pat, and go into next year expecting more magic.


This can be applied to the other positions of need, as well.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:30 PM

With the fact that Shields has a club option at $12M means he's not going anywhere, I'd look at Halladay for the right price if he's healthy. If not Kazmir or Garza

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:32 PM

Who I would sign and who King Peter would pay for are 2 different things.

I'd sign Hughes cheaply and trade for a #1 under 30 who wears Seattle on his jersey. That organization is a mess and needs players.


HA HA HA, I had that dream last night too. So today I went to get a Rolex and offered a xbox 360 in trade. It didn't go well :)

#7 Jimmy Jazz

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:53 PM

I'd sign Hughes cheaply and trade for a #1 under 30 who wears Seattle on his jersey. That organization is a mess and needs players.


Hughes as in Phil Hughes? No thanks. He needs to pitch in a big park like Safeco or Yellowstone.

#8 Joy in Mudville

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:08 PM

Anyone they sign will be 34 or over, of little consequence, and on the cheap.

They'll say that this year they had some bad luck and should have had a better record than before, stand pat, and go into next year expecting more magic.


I wonder if you'll ever get tired of being so consistently premature and wrong.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:07 PM

I wonder if you'll ever get tired of being so consistently premature and wrong.


Yeah I really missed the boat about this season, didn't I?

They did exactly what I said last year. The front office hasn't changed, and neither has their philosophy.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:14 PM

I wonder if you'll ever get tired of being so consistently premature and wrong.


I don't think he's necessarily so wrong. Last year the O's had an unbelievable one run game record and extra inning record. That wasn't all talent, there is a considerable amount of luck with that as well. This year they came back to reality. It was obvious they needed another good proven pitcher at the trading deadline. They could have gone after Cliff Lee, but that would have meant Angelos would have to part with some money. Instead they did what they always do and went after marginal pitchers in Feldman and Norris and hoped that they would overachieve. They had one of the best defenses in baseball this year and wasted it because they wouldn't pony up the money to go after a pitcher and another big bat that might have put them over the top. I think standing pat and hoping for better luck fits the Peter Angelos plan perfectly. Attendance was way up this year, and that's probably all he really cares about anyway.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:39 PM

I don't think he's necessarily so wrong. Last year the O's had an unbelievable one run game record and extra inning record. That wasn't all talent, there is a considerable amount of luck with that as well. This year they came back to reality. It was obvious they needed another good proven pitcher at the trading deadline. They could have gone after Cliff Lee, but that would have meant Angelos would have to part with some money. Instead they did what they always do and went after marginal pitchers in Feldman and Norris and hoped that they would overachieve. They had one of the best defenses in baseball this year and wasted it because they wouldn't pony up the money to go after a pitcher and another big bat that might have put them over the top. I think standing pat and hoping for better luck fits the Peter Angelos plan perfectly. Attendance was way up this year, and that's probably all he really cares about anyway.


Stay tuned for the same this off season. I do think Slide tends to be overly critical, but he's spot on with the O's front office. If they had actually spent some money on a front line starter, a lot of those Arrieta and Garcia losses may have been wins and we'd be in the post season again.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:22 AM

With the fact that Shields has a club option at $12M means he's not going anywhere, I'd look at Halladay for the right price if he's healthy. If not Kazmir or Garza

Yes,yes and yes!

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:02 AM

Yeah I really missed the boat about this season, didn't I?

They did exactly what I said last year. The front office hasn't changed, and neither has their philosophy.


Despite your prognosticating, the O's were in the hunt until the middle of September. They were hardly an 'afterthought' in August, they were playing meaningful games in August.

In my opinion, the team choked going down the stretch, this was especially true offensively. Yes, it was frustrating.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:04 AM

Stay tuned for the same this off season. I do think Slide tends to be overly critical, but he's spot on with the O's front office. If they had actually spent some money on a front line starter, a lot of those Arrieta and Garcia losses may have been wins and we'd be in the post season again.


Arrieta has spectacular stuff. Unfortunately, he's a head case. We spent way too much time hoping he'd put it together ala Tillman but Arrieta doesn't have Tillman's mental makeup. I also feel like we ran Strop out there too many times when it was clear that he was snakebit.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 09:15 AM

My guess is the Orioles will hotly pursue Bronson Arroyo and Bruce Chen. Or maybe Chris Carpenter. They all fit the Oriole mould.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 09:47 AM

It was obvious they needed another good proven pitcher at the trading deadline. They could have gone after Cliff Lee, but that would have meant Angelos would have to part with some money.


you're preaching to the choir when you talk about PGA not spending money. but this is a bad example since Lee wasn't available. Philly isn't rebuilding, they're going to re-load this winter. the only front line starter that was moved was Garza. but trading isn't as easy as just buying on the open market. Garza would have cost more than the O's could afford. they didn't have a Mike Olt to offer up to the Cubs. Feldman and Norris match the caliber of prospects the O's had to deal.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 09:48 AM

My guess is the Orioles will hotly pursue Bronson Arroyo and Bruce Chen. Or maybe Chris Carpenter. They all fit the Oriole mould.


God I hope you're wrong

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:11 AM

God I hope you're wrong


Older, average (or once good then injured), probably pretty cheap. Yep. Those are the Orioles' targets.




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