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It's clear Harbaugh is not in the game - period!


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#1 tigercruise

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:26 PM

With the Jets at 3rd and 12, why not stop the clock? Instead, we see Harbaugh on the sidelines waving his arms yelling and clearly has no idea what to do. Is he waiting for someone in the booth to call tiimeout? Can't he make that decision himself? Apparently not.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:06 PM

Amen!!! I was yelling at him to do something...and he just let's the clock make decisions for him. He clearly has no real conviction abouT what to do. I think he is considering a bunch of options and can't figure out the right answer.....very slow on the draw. But that's John's weakness..in game decisions. He is just plain confused much of the time.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:28 PM

Who won the game?



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:44 PM

Harbaugh is so clueless it's almost funny.

 

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The Ravens, once again, won despite their pathetic coaching staff. (And because the Jets are even MORE pathetic.)


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#5 Ravens2006

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 07:00 PM

Take a TO there and if they get a first down then you've given them more time to work with.  Let it run, try to make the stop (they're likely throwing on 3rd-and-long), and you get the ball back with about 50 seconds left and two TOs.  Or you get it back with 1 TO and more time.  There's a legit debate as to whether you'd prefer two TOs and 50 seconds, or 1 TO and 1:20.

 

When the punt was downed fairly deep, they decided to pretty much walk it in. 

 

Debate the reasoning all you want... but don't pretend the guy just had no idea what was going on... He's not nearly as clueless as WCR...


Edited by Ravens2006, 24 November 2013 - 07:01 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:38 AM

Debate the reasoning all you want... but don't pretend the guy just had no idea what was going on... He's not nearly as clueless as WCR...

 

Well he certainly gave that impression. Did you see him on the sidelines? Clearly he did not know what to do. He was waving his arms, and yelling into his mike. He is the coach and at that point in the game, he was totally clueless. That's disturbing.


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:37 AM

Who won the game?

 

Doesn't matter.  MUST COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING!



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:54 AM

Doesn't matter.  MUST COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING!

 

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 07:35 AM

He was griping about the boards and broadcast not showing a clear slo-mo replay of the previous play.  The catch was questionable.  Powell went to the ground and the ball immediately came out of his hands.  It might not have even been solid possession to begin with. And it was under 2 minutes, so the Ravens couldn't challenge.  Could have been an incompletion.  Could have even been a catch and fumble before being contacted (though I think Powell picked it up first anyway).  But if you watch the replay, the only thing that IS clear is that the ball was loose immediately when Powell went down.  Things aren't always exactly as they appear on the TV, especially when you can't actually hear what the guy is saying...

 

Folks just want to assume he's waving his arms wondering why nobody's called a TO. If you assume that's the case, then sure, he's a moron.  But... that wasn't the case.


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 11:29 AM

With the Jets at 3rd and 12, why not stop the clock? Instead, we see Harbaugh on the sidelines waving his arms yelling and clearly has no idea what to do. Is he waiting for someone in the booth to call tiimeout? Can't he make that decision himself? Apparently not.

 

In 2 or 3 games this year we tried to do the 2 minute drill at the end of the first half and each time we turned the ball over and the other team ended up scoring and not the Ravens. When Harbaugh did this everyone complained. Now that he didnt do it, because he learned from his mistakes, and not to mention how windy it was, people still complain.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 11:49 AM

Well he certainly gave that impression. Did you see him on the sidelines? Clearly he did not know what to do. He was waving his arms, and yelling into his mike. He is the coach and at that point in the game, he was totally clueless. That's disturbing.

How do you know what the arm waving meant?


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 12:10 PM

He was griping about the boards and broadcast not showing a clear slo-mo replay of the previous play.  The catch was questionable.  Powell went to the ground and the ball immediately came out of his hands.  It might not have even been solid possession to begin with. And it was under 2 minutes, so the Ravens couldn't challenge.  Could have been an incompletion.  Could have even been a catch and fumble before being contacted (though I think Powell picked it up first anyway).  But if you watch the replay, the only thing that IS clear is that the ball was loose immediately when Powell went down.  Things aren't always exactly as they appear on the TV, especially when you can't actually hear what the guy is saying...

 

Folks just want to assume he's waving his arms wondering why nobody's called a TO. If you assume that's the case, then sure, he's a moron.  But... that wasn't the case.

I thought he was asking the officials to call it incomplete, the idea that he was looking for a replay makes a little more sense. Either way, I felt he should have called time out and at least opened the possibility of getting the ball back with a decent amount of time and maybe taking a shot.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 12:44 PM

The assumption always made is that because Harbaugh doesn't do what we would have done that makes him stupid. That to me is an arrogant assumption, but is not unusual among internet board commenters who criticize people in all sorts of realms of public life. Maybe he had a different priority. Maybe he didn't want the ball back with a minute to play. There is all kinds of weird unfortunate things that can happen when you try to pull some radical stuff out of your butt in a big hurry. What is so magical about scoring in the last minute of the first half? Was it the difference in the game? Especially the way the Jets were playing? I think he wanted just stop them, go sit down, come back and beat them in the second half, which is what in fact happened. I don't believe at all he was "not in the game."



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 04:42 PM

I kind felt the game was close enough at that point that taking a shot at the end of the half was worthwhile. Thus I was disappointed in the clock management which seems to always be a bit different than what some/many other coaches seem to do more consistently. That said...the Defense was already dominating the Jets and perhaps as you said...Harbaugh really was just ready to take it to the locker room.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 08:50 AM

Watched the play in slo-mo again... I'll put it this way... if the pass to Jeffrey (?) last week in CHI was incomplete despite the challenge / review, then that pass to Powell was absolutely incomplete as well.  He brought it in while falling to the ground, and the INSTANT he hit the ground the ball came loose.  Harbaugh's arm waving and griping was about the lack of review.  There's a difference between the "ground causing a fumble" and continuing the catch to the ground.  He didn't do that.

 

Dierdorf's commentary about the Ravens not taking a TO, followed by the shot of Harbaugh griping with his arms up in the air... was interpreted by those who think Harbaugh's an idiot in the way that fits their mindset.  But it wasn't reality.

 

And yet another idiotic example of how stupid the NFL's replay system is.  They could have taken a timeout, but under two minutes they couldn't challenge regardless.  Why can a coach challenge for 28 minutes per half, but can't challenge in the final two?  There's absolutely NO good reason for that.  Had the upstairs crew done their job and started a review... the RIGHT thing would have resulted in the clock stopping with 1:30 left and the Jets in 3rd and long.

 

Let an upstairs crew initiate reviews when obvious.  Let them rule on the call.  Challenge as many times as you want.  If you're wrong, it's a TO or a delay of game penalty.  Very simply, faster review process, and no abuse because of the loss of TOs or penalties.


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Posted 26 November 2013 - 08:59 AM

Watched the play in slo-mo again... I'll put it this way... if the pass to Jeffrey (?) last week in CHI was incomplete despite the challenge / review, then that pass to Powell was absolutely incomplete as well.  He brought it in while falling to the ground, and the INSTANT he hit the ground the ball came loose.  Harbaugh's arm waving and griping was about the lack of review.  There's a difference between the "ground causing a fumble" and continuing the catch to the ground.  He didn't do that.

 

Dierdorf's commentary about the Ravens not taking a TO, followed by the shot of Harbaugh griping with his arms up in the air... was interpreted by those who think Harbaugh's an idiot in the way that fits their mindset.  But it wasn't reality.

 

And yet another idiotic example of how stupid the NFL's replay system is.  They could have taken a timeout, but under two minutes they couldn't challenge regardless.  Why can a coach challenge for 28 minutes per half, but can't challenge in the final two?  There's absolutely NO good reason for that.  Had the upstairs crew done their job and started a review... the RIGHT thing would have resulted in the clock stopping with 1:30 left and the Jets in 3rd and long.

 

Let an upstairs crew initiate reviews when obvious.  Let them rule on the call.  Challenge as many times as you want.  If you're wrong, it's a TO or a delay of game penalty.  Very simply, faster review process, and no abuse because of the loss of TOs or penalties.

Harbaugh's decision to not call a TO and waving his arms over the pass are two separate things. (I know the OP put them together, but the fact is that they are two separate issues, and not calling a TO with plenty of time left to try to do something before the end of the half is just another example of Harbaugh's poor game time management/clock management.)



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 09:06 AM

In 2 or 3 games this year we tried to do the 2 minute drill at the end of the first half and each time we turned the ball over and the other team ended up scoring and not the Ravens. When Harbaugh did this everyone complained. Now that he didnt do it, because he learned from his mistakes, and not to mention how windy it was, people still complain.

 

Not allowed to talk about that.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 09:09 AM

Not allowed to talk about that.

Grow up. Of course we can talk about it. But use your brain and listen to what's posted: because Harbaugh failed previously, he should simply abandon one of the most important aspects of NFL football -- scoring points/winning games in the final minutes of the half and the game. It's absurd. Rather than throw his hands up because he's failed in the past, figure out how NOT to fail so you can actually score points the way other NFL teams do.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 09:20 AM

Not allowed to talk about that.

 

Of course not, because according to OCF Harbaugh is a horrible coach and in his eyes he can do nothing right, lol. We were dominating the Jets and were going against the wind at the ends of the second quarter. We were getting the ball back with the wind for the second half. Jets had a better chance to score a TD on defense than offense. But lets throw the ball into the wind and repeat what we did in previous games that contributed to our losses. Because I am sure if Harbaugh called a TO and then the ravens throw a pick 6 at the end of the second quarter OCF would be saying why didnt we just run the ball to get to the second half.  



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 10:15 AM

Of course not, because according to OCF Harbaugh is a horrible coach and in his eyes he can do nothing right, lol. We were dominating the Jets and were going against the wind at the ends of the second quarter. We were getting the ball back with the wind for the second half. Jets had a better chance to score a TD on defense than offense. But lets throw the ball into the wind and repeat what we did in previous games that contributed to our losses. Because I am sure if Harbaugh called a TO and then the ravens throw a pick 6 at the end of the second quarter OCF would be saying why didnt we just run the ball to get to the second half.  

I think you call timeout to give yourself the option of attempting something on offense.  The situation that develops dictates whether you use that option or not.  For example, if the Jets punt long (which they did in this case), you do nothing, but if they shank the punt, you now have saved time to try to get 3-7 more points.  By not calling timeout, that option is gone.






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