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Maddux...only 70 percent say 1st ballot HoF


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#1 Far from home

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:36 AM

According to a recent SportNation poll...what?!? This guy is one of the best pitchers to step on the field, ever. He'll make it first ballot, no problem. http://espn.go.com/b...-maddux-respect
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#2 soulflower

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:40 AM

According to a recent SportNation poll...what?!? This guy is one of the best pitchers to step on the field, ever. He'll make it first ballot, no problem. http://espn.go.com/b...-maddux-respect

 

It's an internet poll. What do you expect?

 

I'm sure Maddux will get in this year. Clemens should get in this year too...


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#3 Far from home

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:45 AM

It's an internet poll. What do you expect?

I'm sure Maddux will get in this year. Clemens should get in this year too...



I hope not - Clemens, based on his drug use, should not be a 1st ballot.

Yes, Clemens' numbers and resume are HoF, but you can't ignore the connections.
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#4 ivanbalt

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:54 AM

Do those people even know what a baseball is?



#5 LarryN

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:14 AM

24% think Moises Alou is a HOFer. That's almost as offensive as the 26% that think Maddux isn't first ballot. http://espn.go.com/s...eball-hall-fame
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#6 soulflower

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:23 AM

I hope not - Clemens, based on his drug use, should not be a 1st ballot.

Yes, Clemens' numbers and resume are HoF, but you can't ignore the connections.

 

Clemens was on the ballot last year. This year would be his second chance. 

 

It would be insane for guys like Bonds and Clemens to not get voted in eventually. 


Edited by soulflower, 03 December 2013 - 10:24 AM.

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#7 ivanbalt

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:29 AM

Clemens was on the ballot last year. This year would be his second chance. 

 

It would be insane for guys like Bonds and Clemens to not get voted in eventually. 

 

Never underestimate the bitter, delusional HOF voters.  They need to protect the golden era of baseball (amphetamines, segregation, racism) from steroids.



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:51 AM

Never underestimate the bitter, delusional HOF voters.  They need to protect the golden era of baseball (amphetamines, segregation, racism) from steroids.

 

Different vices for different eras...


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#9 Far from home

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:00 PM

Clemens was on the ballot last year. This year would be his second chance.

It would be insane for guys like Bonds and Clemens to not get voted in eventually.


Agree on Clemens, do not agree on Bonds.
Bonds was a pock mark on the game. His career, numbers-wise, was one of the best ever...but there is a clear demarcation from pre-steroid and post-steroid production.

Clemens, otoh, had a larger block of his career that doesn't seem attributable to PED usage, so there is a better chance that he will be in 3-5 years into his eligibility.
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#10 johnpolitics

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:52 PM

The poll shows a lack of knowledge by internet geeks who live in mama's basement, eating mayonaise sandwichs and listening to John Couger Mellencamp records. Also show that most baseball fans have no understanding of the art of pitching.

Madduz was an artist on the mound. First ballot easy. Glavine's union activities may keep out for a year.



#11 Jimmy Jazz

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:47 PM

Hey now, John Mellencamp has some good songs.

#12 johnpolitics

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:53 AM

Hey now, John Mellencamp has some good songs.

It is a Chris Rock joke. I left out a line. google it.



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:06 AM

Agree on Clemens, do not agree on Bonds.
Bonds was a pock mark on the game. His career, numbers-wise, was one of the best ever...but there is a clear demarcation from pre-steroid and post-steroid production.

Clemens, otoh, had a larger block of his career that doesn't seem attributable to PED usage, so there is a better chance that he will be in 3-5 years into his eligibility.

 

It's impossible to know exactly which players used PED's, when they used them, or precisely how much their stats were helped by the use of PEDs. 

 

There are players in the HOF who've admitted they used amphetamines and possibly some who used steroids since it's alleged that steroid use in baseball began as early as the 70's. 


Edited by soulflower, 04 December 2013 - 10:06 AM.

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#14 Far from home

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 09:00 AM

It's impossible to know exactly which players used PED's, when they used them, or precisely how much their stats were helped by the use of PEDs. 
 
There are players in the HOF who've admitted they used amphetamines and possibly some who used steroids since it's alleged that steroid use in baseball began as early as the 70's. 


Not with these two.
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#15 soulflower

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 10:40 AM

Not with these two.

 

Then tell us exactly what Roger Clemens' career numbers would be if he didn't use PEDs


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