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#481 jdsample

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 08:31 PM

We have rock and jazz because because white people defied societal norms and went to black clubs where they could hear black musicians and there was a cross pollination. Both ultimately come from the blues. Rock and Roll in particular is an amazing amalgam of jump blues, boogie boogie, r&b, texas swing, and country. It couldn't have happened anywhere else.

You are right, and we are all richer for it.  Our culture is uniquely American as opposed to a strictly European melting pot and I applaud that.  

 

But I think to demopublican's point, it all happened without political correctness or costly programs to promote diversity.  They weren't necessary, and still aren't.  If you can imagine a government plan to have moved music and culture forward during the same era, you would have mostly white Harvard grads choosing which clubs aspiring white rockers would visit, what types of black music to promote, and they would have cloned 500,000 sets of Osmonds and Carpenters.  It would be about as successful as Obaminationcare.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 12:52 AM

You are right, and we are all richer for it. Our culture is uniquely American as opposed to a strictly European melting pot and I applaud that.

But I think to demopublican's point, it all happened without political correctness or costly programs to promote diversity. They weren't necessary, and still aren't. If you can imagine a government plan to have moved music and culture forward during the same era, you would have mostly white Harvard grads choosing which clubs aspiring white rockers would visit, what types of black music to promote, and they would have cloned 500,000 sets of Osmonds and Carpenters. It would be about as successful as Obaminationcare.

Government intervention exists to promote equality and justice. Is that wrong? And the mingling of cultures, such as rock and roll, were expedited by government polices that promoted integration and the dismantling of Jim Crow laws, which also represents a form of government intervention ( funny how white people so easily think of the separation of the races as something that happened almost naturally).

And if such mingling of different cultures produces such riches, how can it be wrong for government to promote it?

Demopublican's original point was that he would disregard all this multiculturalism and focus on the Beatles, when they were an embodiment of multiculturalism.

And they were British, btw, not American.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:02 AM

Government intervention exists to promote equality and justice. Is that wrong? And the mingling of cultures, such as rock and roll, were expedited by government polices that promoted integration and the dismantling of Jim Crow laws, which also represents a form of government intervention ( funny how white people so easily think of the separation of the races as something that happened almost naturally).

And if such mingling of different cultures produces such riches, how can it be wrong for government to promote it?

Demopublican's original point was that he would disregard all this multiculturalism and focus on the Beatles, when they were an embodiment of multiculturalism.

And they were British, btw, not American.

Government intervention does not exist to promote equality and justice.  That would be wonderful if it did.  We could all live under an almighty government in paradise.  Instead government power gets used over the ages to divide and separate people.  Jim Crow laws.  Government power.  Anti-Jewish laws in Germany.  Government power.  

 

You really have to be religiously tied to big government power to believe that government intervention deserves credit for the Beatles.  All that jazz and blues and rock co-mingling occurred before the government behemoth decided to try to use its power for good rather than evil and passed Civil Rights acts. 

 

And I don't know why you think it is only white people who think separation of the races happens naturally.  They think that in Africa and Europe, they think that in Asia, and it's dogma in Japan.  And to a casual observer from space it is pretty obvious that people gravitate to other people that share common values and traits.  The Irish had their own neighborhoods, as well as the Italians, the Swedes and the Germans.  Watch people.  Tall girls have tall girl friends.  Athletic guys usually find athletic friends.  Chubby people hang out together.  And racially similar people are more likely to form friendships.  

 

We gravitate to our own, but our children are not our own.  They are part of the greater society and Irish kids intermarry with Italian kids.  Polish kids marry Indian kids.  Were it not for government power, you can bet that centuries ago that blacks and whites would have co-mingled a lot more fully.  Hell, there was a lot of co-mingling going on in spite of government power.  Maybe the Beatles would have been an 1860's band instead of a 1960's band if government were colorblind?  But you want to perpetuate the system where Ivy Leaguer big government wannabes decide what government will encourage and force you to do when it comes to race?  Really?   :huh:

 

In the meantime, maybe you should take comfort that demopublican is teaching his kids the "embodiment of multiculturalism."  You win, even if demo doesn't know it.   ;)


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 08:44 AM

Government intervention does not exist to promote equality and justice. That would be wonderful if it did. We could all live under an almighty government in paradise. Instead government power gets used over the ages to divide and separate people. Jim Crow laws. Government power. Anti-Jewish laws in Germany. Government power.

You really have to be religiously tied to big government power to believe that government intervention deserves credit for the Beatles. All that jazz and blues and rock co-mingling occurred before the government behemoth decided to try to use its power for good rather than evil and passed Civil Rights acts.

And I don't know why you think it is only white people who think separation of the races happens naturally. They think that in Africa and Europe, they think that in Asia, and it's dogma in Japan. And to a casual observer from space it is pretty obvious that people gravitate to other people that share common values and traits. The Irish had their own neighborhoods, as well as the Italians, the Swedes and the Germans. Watch people. Tall girls have tall girl friends. Athletic guys usually find athletic friends. Chubby people hang out together. And racially similar people are more likely to form friendships.

We gravitate to our own, but our children are not our own. They are part of the greater society and Irish kids intermarry with Italian kids. Polish kids marry Indian kids. Were it not for government power, you can bet that centuries ago that blacks and whites would have co-mingled a lot more fully. Hell, there was a lot of co-mingling going on in spite of government power. Maybe the Beatles would have been an 1860's band instead of a 1960's band if government were colorblind? But you want to perpetuate the system where Ivy Leaguer big government wannabes decide what government will encourage and force you to do when it comes to race? Really? :huh:

In the meantime, maybe you should take comfort that demopublican is teaching his kids the "embodiment of multiculturalism." You win, even if demo doesn't know it. ;)

The military was integrated in the 1940s and school segregation was deemed illegal in the 1950s.

You may not know this, but racism was promoted in this country to drive a wedge between working class/power whites and Blacks because they gravitated to one another due to their socio-economic self-interest, and the white ruling class perceived this as a threat, and so they created privileges for whites. This racism perpetuated stereotypes of Blacks that they were inferior, and laws that marginalized them to the fringe of society. Associating with Blacks threatened this system of privileges whose effects we still see today. People don't want to give up those privileges voluntarily.

Paradoxically, the multicultural Beatles of the 1860s and after were known as minstrel shows, the most famous performer went by the name of....Jim Crow.

Edited by hst2, 26 December 2013 - 08:53 AM.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:33 PM

The military was integrated in the 1940s and school segregation was deemed illegal in the 1950s.

You may not know this, but racism was promoted in this country to drive a wedge between working class/power whites and Blacks because they gravitated to one another due to their socio-economic self-interest, and the white ruling class perceived this as a threat, and so they created privileges for whites. This racism perpetuated stereotypes of Blacks that they were inferior, and laws that marginalized them to the fringe of society. Associating with Blacks threatened this system of privileges whose effects we still see today. People don't want to give up those privileges voluntarily.

Paradoxically, the multicultural Beatles of the 1860s and after were known as minstrel shows, the most famous performer went by the name of....Jim Crow.

So now you are claiming the Civil Rights Acts were unnecessary because all was well by the 1950's.  If that don't beat all.  

 

So which is it?  We are still a virulently racist society that needs you to be ever on the watch, or we fixed racism in the 1940s?  I guess it changes with the needs of your argument at the moment.  

 

The fact is that big gubmint Democrats made racism the law of the land.   But I'm glad to see you admit that people come together when they have mutual interests.  That's what market forces are all about.  It didn't take a government program to cause working class/power(?) whites to gravitate together with blacks, it took one to drive them apart.  And so it goes.  


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 06:27 PM

So now you are claiming the Civil Rights Acts were unnecessary because all was well by the 1950's.  If that don't beat all.  
 
So which is it?  We are still a virulently racist society that needs you to be ever on the watch, or we fixed racism in the 1940s?  I guess it changes with the needs of your argument at the moment.  
 
The fact is that big gubmint Democrats made racism the law of the land.   But I'm glad to see you admit that people come together when they have mutual interests.  That's what market forces are all about.  It didn't take a government program to cause working class/power(?) whites to gravitate together, it took one to drive them apart.  And so it goes.


Please show where I claimed that the Civil Rights Acts were unnecessary.

Racist laws were created at the state level, where conservatives hold the power and prefer it to be. Big government, from Reconstruction through the Civil Rights Acts created laws that overrode them. These efforts then, as today, as still challenged by conservatives,.
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Posted 26 December 2013 - 08:42 PM

Please show where I claimed that the Civil Rights Acts were unnecessary.

Racist laws were created at the state level, where conservatives hold the power and prefer it to be. Big government, from Reconstruction through the Civil Rights Acts created laws that overrode them. These efforts then, as today, as still challenged by conservatives,.

You claimed the military was integrated in the 1940s and segregated schools were illegal in the 1950s as evidence of free co-mingling of the races than was necessary to produce rock.  It sounds like the racism issue was licked.  A little exaggeration I think.  

 

Racist laws were passed at the Federal level as well, and racist state laws were reviewed and upheld at the Federal level.  (Dred Scott ring a bell?)  Pretty much all by big government Democrats.  There is nothing conservative about controlling the right of free association.  That is purely big government liberalism (as the word is used today).  Own it.  You have ample reason to feel guilty about race.  It is clear from your statements that all blacks are on assistance and that blacks are happier with welfare.  But enough vomiting your guilt upon others.  


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:00 PM

Government intervention exists to promote equality and justice. Is that wrong? And the mingling of cultures, such as rock and roll, were expedited by government polices that promoted integration and the dismantling of Jim Crow laws, which also represents a form of government intervention ( funny how white people so easily think of the separation of the races as something that happened almost naturally).

And if such mingling of different cultures produces such riches, how can it be wrong for government to promote it?

Demopublican's original point was that he would disregard all this multiculturalism and focus on the Beatles, when they were an embodiment of multiculturalism.

And they were British, btw, not American.

Government intervention promotes ITS VERSION of equality and justice at a particular point in time, and that version can change with changes in leadership in the government and changes in the courts. Before Brown vs. Board of Education our federal government's version of equality was "separate but equal". Most now understand how unequal that truly was, but at the time it was the norm. Back in the 50's capital punishment was the accepted norm for capital crimes, but today the definition of "justice" has changed. While there are certainly areas where government needs to set out basic rules, when governments (any government) seeks equality and justice based on a currently politically correct definition of those terms by micromanaging the lives of individuals, the line of reasonableness gets crossed. I see lots of micromanagement (and attempts thereof) of our daily lives by our Federal government today. 



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 05:02 PM

The Irish had their own neighborhoods

 

All right, we'll take the blacks and the Chinese***

 

*** severely edited for those whose offendometer is particularly sensitive

 

But We Don't Want... The Irish !






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