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#1 justforfun

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:08 AM

Joe Flacco may be the greatest qb of all time but he will never accomplish his goal if he doesn't become more disciplined. As I watched the mess against New England I noticed a huge difference in Flacco vs Brady. Brady was willing to take the short 5 to 15 yard passes and threw long only 4 times. Flacco on the other hand was looking long first around 11 passes but it may be more were for over 15 yards and more. This may be good but for a chance to ball control an offense and stay on the field one must use short passes. ZI watched again and again and noticed on many throws gflacco just let the underneath stuff go and went long, many and I would say much of the time his short receivers were open from the get go. Instead he used them as a last second dump off and actually completed 9 in the 1st half but all for hardly no gain as by the time he threw to the back they were covered. Yes Joe needs to learn from his mistakes and this is a glaring mistake Joe needs to address.

 

Now on to the defense. It has been shown the way to beat theses little receivers is to punish them. When they get off the line press them, hit them and if they catch the ball nail them. The Ravens gave these little guys to much room and by the way Suggs needs to stay alert for tghe cutback run.

 

Yes people are your Ravens disciplined enough to go on. Well first if you get this crew of refs again you will loose as they are horrible and looked for fouls against the Ravens, even made up ones. Next If your backs would only run especially Rice. He had many holes in thge game to only go down because the line tripped him up and lastly your coach ,coaches out of what will people think and at times goes brain dead. The field goal attempt just stupid and in his press conference he said he wanted to get it to a two possession game. No way you are losing 2- to 0 and this would keep it a thgree possession game. Stop being scared John and coach, this team deserves better than a OC who knows you are going for it on 4th and 1. In need of a first down badly and on 3rd down goes for the 25 yard pass with a wide open Pitta at the LTG waiting. Yet do we also not run to the line with an All P{ro FB on the sidelines. Where was he blocking a cheerleader. No people this team is lucky to be even in the chase with these coaches. Be happy John as if you were in Dallas you would have been fired by now.A boy doing a man's job is not a good scenario.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:29 AM

Check downs have seemed to have been removed from his options this yr with the down yr from Rice. That was a huge safety blanket for him along with a healthy Pitta.

#3 ziptop

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 01:17 PM

"I noticed a huge difference in Flacco vs Brady".

 

One is an excellent quarterback, smart, crisp, quick, and accurate. The other is terrible, mentally slow, physically slow, and inaccurate.Two players who are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum of  talent and performance.

 

It's an education to watch Brady and what he does, especially after watching Flacco all year. It's a wonder Flacco has the nerve to go out on the field after watching Brady play.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 01:59 PM

"I noticed a huge difference in Flacco vs Brady".

 

One is an excellent quarterback, smart, crisp, quick, and accurate. The other is terrible, mentally slow, physically slow, and inaccurate.Two players who are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum of  talent and performance.

 

It's an education to watch Brady and what he does, especially after watching Flacco all year. It's a wonder Flacco has the nerve to go out on the field after watching Brady play.

One game Mr. Education. Maybe you should go back to school
 
 Brady vs. Flacco in head to head matchups since 2009 (including playoffs)
              Record Brady          Flacco
                           3-3                3-3
              TDs        6                  12
               INTs       9                   4
Passer rtg.           72.0             97.5
Completion pct.    60.2             63.5
Yds. per attempt   6.4               7.4

Edited by tigercruise, 23 December 2013 - 02:03 PM.

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#5 ivanbalt

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 02:36 PM

Ah, the old Flacco is worst thread after a bad loss.  Such original ideas.



#6 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 02:42 PM

Ah, the old Flacco is worst thread after a bad loss.  Such original ideas.

It's as predictable as it is annoying.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 02:42 PM

 

One game Mr. Education. Maybe you should go back to school
 
 Brady vs. Flacco in head to head matchups since 2009 (including playoffs)
              Record Brady          Flacco
                           3-3                3-3
              TDs        6                  12
               INTs       9                   4
Passer rtg.           72.0             97.5
Completion pct.    60.2             63.5
Yds. per attempt   6.4               7.4

 

Thanks, TC. I didn't have the patience.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 03:08 PM

It's human nature to blame the QB when things go bad. But lets be realistic. Flacco had a bad game, but who didn't. This may have been the most uninspired effort I have seen the Ravens give since they have been here. Flacco wasn't in the secondary picking up the PI calls, he wasn't on the line getting no pressure on Brady, and he certainly wasn't the guy on the sideline going for a FG when you're down 20-0 after you just went on 4th down on an earlier drive. A lot of blame to go around on this turd.
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#9 tigercruise

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 04:47 PM

"They" are so quick to jump on Flacco when he has a bad game, and yes he did. But so has Brady and all the rest of them. Brady has a bad game and you hear nothing. He didn't exactly shine against Miami did he? As cprenegade pointed out, the whole damn team stunk. But folks, that's the way it is with the Flacco haters.


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#10 doktorluv

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:29 PM

The problem is the Flacco ballwashers like OCF who try to make the guy out to be something he's not.  He's a good QB, a tough dude and a winner.  He got hot at the right time and took the team to a championship.  Life is timing, and he got a contract he deserved.  Good for him.  But to pretend he's in the same league as Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees is a complete joke. 



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:56 PM

The problem is the Flacco ballwashers like OCF who try to make the guy out to be something he's not.  He's a good QB, a tough dude and a winner.  He got hot at the right time and took the team to a championship.  Life is timing, and he got a contract he deserved.  Good for him.  But to pretend he's in the same league as Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees is a complete joke. 


I haven't heard anyone say that he is in the same league with those guys. He is a tier down from that. I would imagine if pressed, even OCF would agree. He can be maddeningly inconsistent. His stats are not the best and he needs a good supporting cast around him to let his talent shine unlike a Brady who can put the team on his shoulders and will them to win. However, he is one of the best in the last 5 minutes of a game when you need a drive to win it. I was saying today that if you could meld Tony Romo's first 55 minutes with Flacco's last 5 minutes you would have, well, something like Brady.

Edited by Rael, 23 December 2013 - 09:57 PM.

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#12 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:21 AM

I haven't heard anyone say that he is in the same league with those guys. He is a tier down from that. I would imagine if pressed, even OCF would agree. He can be maddeningly inconsistent. His stats are not the best and he needs a good supporting cast around him to let his talent shine unlike a Brady who can put the team on his shoulders and will them to win. However, he is one of the best in the last 5 minutes of a game when you need a drive to win it. I was saying today that if you could meld Tony Romo's first 55 minutes with Flacco's last 5 minutes you would have, well, something like Brady.

What I believe is that Flacco has done more with less than any other QB in the NFL. You put Manning or Brady with THIS crap offense and they would not have been one iota better.

 

Likewise, you put Joe with the talent at hand in Denver, or even the coaching in N.E., and he'd be comparable. He's got a better arm than Manning, no doubt about it. And he's got a better mental constitution than Brady. So while all of this is hypothetical and theoretical, since it's never going to happen, I'll take Joe, at this point in his career, over Manning or Brady.

 

Bottom line: Given the running game, or lack thereof, the young, inexperienced fast/weak receivers (with the possible exception of Brown, who looks tough), the insane O-line, disaster at TE, criminal coaching, and overpaid, under performing defense...Joe is the LEAST of the Ravens problems this year.


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 24 December 2013 - 01:56 AM.


#13 tigercruise

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 07:36 AM

 However, he is one of the best in the last 5 minutes of a game when you need a drive to win it. I was saying today that if you could meld Tony Romo's first 55 minutes with Flacco's last 5 minutes you would have, well, something like Brady.

 

Ever wonder why that is? Why he's the best in the last 5 minutes when they need a drive to win it? Here's why: Flacco is calling the shots - and not his coaches. If the Ravens played the entire game like they play in the last 5 minutes, they'd be a power house offense. Flacco is held back by his stubborn, egotistical coaches who, quite frankly, are his [Flacco's] worst enemies. Put Flacco under Belichick and he'd be another Brady.


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 08:20 AM

Ever wonder why that is? Why he's the best in the last 5 minutes when they need a drive to win it? Here's why: Flacco is calling the shots - and not his coaches. If the Ravens played the entire game like they play in the last 5 minutes, they'd be a power house offense. Flacco is held back by his stubborn, egotistical coaches who, quite frankly, are his [Flacco's] worst enemies. Put Flacco under Belichick and he'd be another Brady.



Perhaps but the coaches don't (at least I doubt it) tell him to throw into double coverage repeatedly. OCF is correct, Flacco has a much better arm than Manning but Manning is still much better at getting the ball out quickly and making the right read and the right decision. You can blame play calling all you want and there is certainly truth to that position but Flacco still makes too many mistakes within the play that was called. It doesn't make him a bad QB, just a notch below the 4 great ones mentioned up thread.
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Posted 24 December 2013 - 08:38 AM

 

One game Mr. Education. Maybe you should go back to school
 
 Brady vs. Flacco in head to head matchups since 2009 (including playoffs)
              Record Brady          Flacco
                           3-3                3-3
              TDs        6                  12
               INTs       9                   4
Passer rtg.           72.0             97.5
Completion pct.    60.2             63.5
Yds. per attempt   6.4               7.4

 

Way to school them! :D  As a footnote, how many games did Brady play aginst the Ravens with a knee brace? Flacco won't use it as an excuse but I can't believe it didn't affect him.


Edited by caliber45, 24 December 2013 - 08:38 AM.


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 08:57 AM

Way to school them! :D  As a footnote, how many games did Brady play aginst the Ravens with a knee brace? Flacco won't use it as an excuse but I can't believe it didn't affect him.

He didn't school anyone. QBs don't play against each other. Head to head Flacco's numbers are better because Brady plays against a Ravens defense that year to year is head and shoulders above anything the Patriots throw out there against Flacco. It's an irreleveant comparison. Brady is currently 17th in QBR, Flacco 33rd. Class over


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 08:58 AM

I thought the most with the least by far wa Brady. One local talk show genius host says Brady doesn't even know his receivers' names. Bruce Laird calls them midget receivers. But Edelman is the best receiver I've seen all year. He gets open and he catches the ball. Of course Brady can throw him the ball. And oh yea he can SEE him!



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Posted 24 December 2013 - 10:44 AM

While I do think Joe gets no love at times I do think when he pesses he looks downfield to much. On short 3rd and 1's the second look should be the bomb as I saw on Sunday he had guys open much of the game short and Pitta was opoen all game down low.



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Posted 24 December 2013 - 11:38 AM

While I do think Joe gets no love at times I do think when he pesses he looks downfield to much. On short 3rd and 1's the second look should be the bomb as I saw on Sunday he had guys open much of the game short and Pitta was opoen all game down low.

Pitta was NOT open "all game down low", and there was basically ONE PLAY in which Joe missed the under guys.



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Posted 24 December 2013 - 05:40 PM

He didn't school anyone. QBs don't play against each other. Head to head Flacco's numbers are better because Brady plays against a Ravens defense that year to year is head and shoulders above anything the Patriots throw out there against Flacco. It's an irreleveant comparison. Brady is currently 17th in QBR, Flacco 33rd. Class over

Dammmmmmmmmm......Class is over!
 
 
 
 
 
The entire ravens team stunk up the stadium and if you can get to Flacco early and often it destroys his game.................time for the next game.

Side note: Flacco should get credit for sacking himself......fair is fair

Edited by ODENTON, 24 December 2013 - 06:16 PM.





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