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#1 West Chester Raven

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 07:21 AM

Meanwhile down in the bayou the "idiot" Cam Cameron has transformed LSU's offense in a single season. He must be getting a chuckle watching the Ravens this year.

 

...It didn't take long to see why - a sea change in the LSU offense. Suddenly there was an effective passing game. Quarterback Zach Mettenberger looked completely renovated. Wide receivers Odell Beckham Jr., and Jarvis Landry were suddenly leaping out of their cleats and snagging every pass in sight.

Tight ends and running backs were targeted in the passing game. The running game prospered and the Tigers piled up points at what looked like a record pace. Cameron, who had spent the previous 11 seasons and 14 total in the NFL, brought a pro-style look and everyone - players, fans and Les Miles himself - liked the look.

LSU averaged 37 points per game, 265 yards passing and 465 overall. Hence, the worry.

 

http://www.nola.com/...cam_camero.html

 

Ah yes, lest we forget - this years scapegoat is Jim Caldwell. SMH. Yes, it's now Jim Caldwell who is the "idiot" - making bad play calls and what not. Wonder who will want the Ravens OC job next year? 

 

Oh, I know. Its just LSU we're talking about. Sure, Cam may be able to be a great Offensive Coordinator in the SEC, but he ain't good enough or creative enough to coach the vaunted Ravens offense and their SB MVP QB Joe Flacco - The Division II superstar QB from Delaware. Yup.

 

LOL. 



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 07:24 AM

He wasn't that great with the Chargers either. He's where he belongs -- coaching at the college level.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 07:35 AM

He wasn't that great with the Chargers either. He's where he belongs -- coaching at the college level.

Yup.



#4 jamesdean

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 08:37 AM

Is it a coincidence that Jim Caldwell is as uncreative and hard headed as Cameron?  Possibly but maybe the overall offensive philosophy of the organization needs to be examined.  And in other related news, Ray Rice admitted in the Sun this morning that he's played hurt all year.  What a big surprise. 



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 08:45 AM

Meanwhile down in the bayou the "idiot" Cam Cameron has transformed LSU's offense in a single season. He must be getting a chuckle watching the Ravens this year.

 

...It didn't take long to see why - a sea change in the LSU offense. Suddenly there was an effective passing game. Quarterback Zach Mettenberger looked completely renovated. Wide receivers Odell Beckham Jr., and Jarvis Landry were suddenly leaping out of their cleats and snagging every pass in sight.

Tight ends and running backs were targeted in the passing game. The running game prospered and the Tigers piled up points at what looked like a record pace. Cameron, who had spent the previous 11 seasons and 14 total in the NFL, brought a pro-style look and everyone - players, fans and Les Miles himself - liked the look.

LSU averaged 37 points per game, 265 yards passing and 465 overall. Hence, the worry.

 

http://www.nola.com/...cam_camero.html

 

Ah yes, lest we forget - this years scapegoat is Jim Caldwell. SMH. Yes, it's now Jim Caldwell who is the "idiot" - making bad play calls and what not. Wonder who will want the Ravens OC job next year? 

 

Oh, I know. Its just LSU we're talking about. Sure, Cam may be able to be a great Offensive Coordinator in the SEC, but he ain't good enough or creative enough to coach the vaunted Ravens offense and their SB MVP QB Joe Flacco - The Division II superstar QB from Delaware. Yup.

 

LOL. 

 

Joe Flacco, the SB MVP. That bother you? I don't care if he played at Salisbury University. He WON THE SB AND WAS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Not good enough for you huh?


Edited by tigercruise, 27 December 2013 - 08:46 AM.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 08:58 AM

College success doesn't always transfer to NFL success. Cam might still be here if the change to the O line had been made earlier last year. I guess it's just a coincidence that Caldwell was hailed as a genius last year with a good O line and now he doesn't know what he's doing with a bad one.


Edited by bmore_ken, 27 December 2013 - 09:00 AM.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 09:10 AM

Is it a coincidence that Jim Caldwell is as uncreative and hard headed as Cameron?  Possibly but maybe the overall offensive philosophy of the organization needs to be examined.  And in other related news, Ray Rice admitted in the Sun this morning that he's played hurt all year.  What a big surprise. 

But...but...but he SWORE he was "100%" several times this year.

 

:rolleyes:



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 09:10 AM

Joe Flacco, the SB MVP. That bother you? I don't care if he played at Salisbury University. He WON THE SB AND WAS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Not good enough for you huh?

Exactly.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 09:47 AM

He wasn't that great with the Chargers either. He's where he belongs -- coaching at the college level.

 

I beg to differ. Cam was hired as a head coach after being the O-Coordinator for the Chargers. They broke a team record in points twice when he was there, top 5 in avg points per game one year, and his offense calling made Tomlinson MVP and score a record in TDs. He did this before Brees was a perennial Pro Bowl QB and while Rivers was a 1st year starter.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:43 AM

Don't cloud the waters with things like facts.

These guys are in denial - it is sad.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:49 AM

Joe Flacco, the SB MVP. That bother you? I don't care if he played at Salisbury University. He WON THE SB AND WAS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Not good enough for you huh?

Does it bother me? No. Trent Dilfer "won" a Super Bowl too. Does that make him good? Joe didn't "win" anything on his own. You're seeing now just how much Joe Flacco can shoulder the load on his own.

He gets the big contract and proceeds to throw 19 interceptions with a passer rating of 75.2. He is in lock step with Matt Schaub, Eli Manning and Terrel Pryor. That's the company Joe Flacco keeps. It ain't Brees or Rodgers or Brady. Please. Don't insult those guys by including Joe in the same sentence as them. Joe is a joke.

Cam has moved on and is achieving great things. Joe is doing nothing but stinkuing up the joint game after game while his dwindling pool of supporters make excuses, alibis, blame others, it goes on and on and on. Luck looks like its running out for Joe though.


Edited by West Chester Raven, 27 December 2013 - 10:50 AM.


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:51 AM

I beg to differ. Cam was hired as a head coach after being the O-Coordinator for the Chargers. They broke a team record in points twice when he was there, top 5 in avg points per game one year, and his offense calling made Tomlinson MVP and score a record in TDs. He did this before Brees was a perennial Pro Bowl QB and while Rivers was a 1st year starter.

So Tomlinson and Brees are bums without Cameron.  Right.  

The Chargers were 0-2 in the playoffs during Cameron's years as OC.  Teams with Brees, Rives, Tomlinson, Gates, Vincent Jackson not only missed the playoffs more often than not during Cameron's tenure, they never won.  So no, Cameron really wasn't that great with the Chargers.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 11:52 AM

I beg to differ. Cam was hired as a head coach after being the O-Coordinator for the Chargers. They broke a team record in points twice when he was there, top 5 in avg points per game one year, and his offense calling made Tomlinson MVP and score a record in TDs. He did this before Brees was a perennial Pro Bowl QB and while Rivers was a 1st year starter.

He had LT and Gates. You're delusional if you think HE made LT. LT made HIM. Just like the talent in Minny made Billick. And ALL of his QBs improved AFTER he left.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:01 PM

Does it bother me? No. Trent Dilfer "won" a Super Bowl too. Does that make him good? Joe didn't "win" anything on his own. You're seeing now just how much Joe Flacco can shoulder the load on his own.

He gets the big contract and proceeds to throw 19 interceptions with a passer rating of 75.2. He is in lock step with Matt Schaub, Eli Manning and Terrel Pryor. That's the company Joe Flacco keeps. It ain't Brees or Rodgers or Brady. Please. Don't insult those guys by including Joe in the same sentence as them. Joe is a joke.

Cam has moved on and is achieving great things. Joe is doing nothing but stinkuing up the joint game after game while his dwindling pool of supporters make excuses, alibis, blame others, it goes on and on and on. Luck looks like its running out for Joe though.

Please don't take this the wrong way. You may have expertise in other areas, but football doesn't seem to be it. You're either naive or deliberately trying to misrepresent facts and data. As was stated earlier, college and NFL football are two different babies. One may excel in college but not in the NFL. Take a look at Heisman Trophy winners (awarded to the best players in college for any particular year). How many Heisman winners have had all-pro careers in the NFL? The reason is obvious. 

 

Another thing. Get this straight. There is no such thing as luck (unless, of course you are talking about the quarterback for the Colts :P, who by all accounts, is a real person) in football. Luck is for sports columnists who can't explain the nuances of the gridiron. They like to make themselves look good, but prove their ignorance when they talk about how lucky this person or that person is. You can even discuss how luck is in life. "Oh, that person is lucky to get that promotion." Nope. That person usually worked hard to get the promotion.  When I was coaching and a player used luck as an excuse (good luck or bad luck - it didn't matter), he usually had some laps to run. Luck is a loser's proposition. Hard work is what wins games. People who know nothing of the game are the one's who claim luck.


Edited by NCBirdfan, 27 December 2013 - 01:09 PM.

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#15 West Chester Raven

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:04 PM

Spare me the lecture and patronizing tone.

Luck is alive and well in the NFL. 4th and 29 checkdown to Ray Rice. Yeah - that play was worked and worked as a viable option to pick up 30 plus yards in just that situation. Joe didn't check down because he couldn't find anybody open - they worked and worked on that play knowing they could use it when they needed 30 yards.

Cointoss - Luck? No?

The PI that isn't called - bad luck? Good luck?

The TD catch that really isn't a catch because the receivers foot is actually out of bounds but the ref doesn't see it. Bad luck? No - go run a few laps, son.

The 49ers get a chance to collect themselves and avoid an avalnche in the start of the 3rd quarter becasue the lights go out. Good luck? Bad luck? depends on who you ask - unless we're asking you. The all-knowing ex coach who knows better.

Maybe you should get some fresh air, pops. Go run a few laps.

Look - Joe Flacco isn't a very good QB. Cam Cameron is a good Offensive Coordinator.

Let me be blunt: The veiled insinuation here is that the Ravens offense will always be a bottom-half ranked unit with #5 under center. He just ain't that good. Cam is coaching at the top level in college now and doing well. Joe just turned in the worst season he has ever played at this level. Go ahead and rationalize all you want. Wonder what type of performance he has in store for us this week.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:15 PM

Spare me the lecture and patronizing tone.

Luck is alive and well in the NFL. 4th and 29 checkdown to Ray Rice.

That was luck? I'm sure the 10 guys who did the blocking on that play as well as the guy with the ball making the right cuts off of those blocks  would disagree with you. Now luck would be the lights going out in the SB that you were getting your arse kicked in :P


Edited by bmore_ken, 27 December 2013 - 02:16 PM.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:43 PM

I beg to differ. Cam was hired as a head coach after being the O-Coordinator for the Chargers. They broke a team record in points twice when he was there, top 5 in avg points per game one year, and his offense calling made Tomlinson MVP and score a record in TDs. He did this before Brees was a perennial Pro Bowl QB and while Rivers was a 1st year starter.

Cameron benefited from having really great players in SD, especially the then underrated Drew Brees. San Diego thought so little of him, they let him go to New Orleans. They probably would have won a Super Bowl or two had they kept Brees. Billick probably had the same rep with Minnesota because of the personnel, rather than his genius. Both were decent coaches that were helped with really great players. The problem with Cameron in the NFL is that he tried to make the players fit his schemes instead of adjusting the the players' strengths and weaknesses. In college it's easier to get the players to fit his play-calling.

 

Now Cameron once again has really great players. And in college, the competition isn't NFL-caliber week-in and week-out. It's easier to have success when your team has much better recruits than the opposition. That's not a knock on Cameron. It's just reality. I'm glad Cameron found his niche in football. 


Edited by NCBirdfan, 27 December 2013 - 02:47 PM.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:44 PM

That was luck? I'm sure the 10 guys who did the blocking on that play as well as the guy with the ball making the right cuts off of those blocks  would disagree with you. Now luck would be the lights going out in the SB that you were getting your arse kicked in :P

Ever wonder why the luck card is seldom, if ever, played by the victor? ;)


Edited by NCBirdfan, 27 December 2013 - 02:44 PM.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:36 PM

Please don't take this the wrong way. You may have expertise in other areas, but football doesn't seem to be it. You're either naive or deliberately trying to misrepresent facts and data. As was stated earlier, college and NFL football are two different babies. One may excel in college but not in the NFL. Take a look at Heisman Trophy winners (awarded to the best players in college for any particular year). How many Heisman winners have had all-pro careers in the NFL? The reason is obvious. 

 

Another thing. Get this straight. There is no such thing as luck (unless, of course you are talking about the quarterback for the Colts :P, who by all accounts, is a real person) in football. Luck is for sports columnists who can't explain the nuances of the gridiron. They like to make themselves look good, but prove their ignorance when they talk about how lucky this person or that person is. You can even discuss how luck is in life. "Oh, that person is lucky to get that promotion." Nope. That person usually worked hard to get the promotion.  When I was coaching and a player used luck as an excuse (good luck or bad luck - it didn't matter), he usually had some laps to run. Luck is a loser's proposition. Hard work is what wins games. People who know nothing of the game are the one's who claim luck.

"Luck is for sports columnists who can't explain the nuances of the gridiron. They like to make themselves look good, but prove their ignorance when they talk about how lucky this person or that person is. You can even discuss how luck is in life. "Oh, that person is lucky to get that promotion." Nope. That person usually worked hard to get the promotion.  When I was coaching and a player used luck as an excuse (good luck or bad luck - it didn't matter), he usually had some laps to run. Luck is a loser's proposition. Hard work is what wins games. People who know nothing of the game are the one's who claim luck."

 

duly noted, but NONE of it invalidates luck as a factor in all human experience.



#20 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:43 PM

"Luck is for sports columnists who can't explain the nuances of the gridiron. They like to make themselves look good, but prove their ignorance when they talk about how lucky this person or that person is. You can even discuss how luck is in life. "Oh, that person is lucky to get that promotion." Nope. That person usually worked hard to get the promotion.  When I was coaching and a player used luck as an excuse (good luck or bad luck - it didn't matter), he usually had some laps to run. Luck is a loser's proposition. Hard work is what wins games. People who know nothing of the game are the one's who claim luck."

 

duly noted, but NONE of it invalidates luck as a factor in all human experience.

Luck, as a factor "in all human experience", tends to balance out over time. Skill differential does not.






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