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#1 confused fan

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 10:47 PM

There was a rumor in the middle of the season that John not Jim Harbaugh was being viewed as a hot commodity by a few big time NCAA football program. At this juncture, it may not be such a bad thing for the Ravens for Coach Harbaugh to be the next Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. 
 
As a head coach, Harbaugh has accomplished a lot for the Ravens Organization this past six years.  As it appears currently, I have concerns that the Ravens will not improve with Harbaugh at the helm in the next few years, in fact if Harbaugh remained the coach, I would not be surprised to see 4-12, 3-13 seasons.
 
You may think that the guy who is writing this is really confused but there is a reason for my unfavorable forecast. I only have a few concerns with Harbaugh but they are major. 
 
 
*The first one involves him bringing in his cronies and working with strong minded gifted coaches under him. Harbuargh has not shown the ability to put the team over his cronies. Cameron was let go after 4 ½ seasons and other names that might make you cringe are Mattison and Castillo.
 
Under Harbaugh, magically coaches that helped Flacco disappeared:  Zorn and Jackson
 
The best defensive coordinator under Harbaugh may have received an extra push to be head coach.
 
*The second concern is the operation of the infamous doghouse. Gone are players that spoke out last year and this year one player was traded due to an involvement with a party bus.
 
However, based on history of being deactivitated for a significant duration, the following players have never been on the list due to horrible play on the field instead of outside the field:
 
Gradkowski, Shipley, Oher, Doss, Ngata, to name a few.
 
*The last one, I have some doubt that Harbaugh would bring in talented offensive coaches (that has not been recently fired) to assist all positions on the field. Could be an ego thing, not for sure.
 
I wish that I am wrong on this forecast and as a big time fan, would love to see Ravens with a hard nosed team, with offensive and defensive creative play-calling, that was sound in play execution. I know that is asking for too much. 
 

 



#2 tommyb

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 11:40 PM

There was a rumor in the middle of the season that John not Jim Harbaugh was being viewed as a hot commodity by a few big time NCAA football program. At this juncture, it may not be such a bad thing for the Ravens for Coach Harbaugh to be the next Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. 
 
As a head coach, Harbaugh has accomplished a lot for the Ravens Organization this past six years.  As it appears currently, I have concerns that the Ravens will not improve with Harbaugh at the helm in the next few years, in fact if Harbaugh remained the coach, I would not be surprised to see 4-12, 3-13 seasons.
 
You may think that the guy who is writing this is really confused but there is a reason for my unfavorable forecast. I only have a few concerns with Harbaugh but they are major. 
 
 

*The first one involves him bringing in his cronies and working with strong minded gifted coaches under him. Harbuargh has not shown the ability to put the team over his cronies. Cameron was let go after 4 ½ seasons and other names that might make you cringe are Mattison and Castillo.
 
Under Harbaugh, magically coaches that helped Flacco disappeared:  Zorn and Jackson
 
The best defensive coordinator under Harbaugh may have received an extra push to be head coach.
 
*The second concern is the operation of the infamous doghouse. Gone are players that spoke out last year and this year one player was traded due to an involvement with a party bus.
 

However, based on history of being deactivitated for a significant duration, the following players have never been on the list due to horrible play on the field instead of outside the field:
 
Gradkowski, Shipley, Oher, Doss, Ngata, to name a few.
 
*The last one, I have some doubt that Harbaugh would bring in talented offensive coaches (that has not been recently fired) to assist all positions on the field. Could be an ego thing, not for sure.
 
I wish that I am wrong on this forecast and as a big time fan, would love to see Ravens with a hard nosed team, with offensive and defensive creative play-calling, that was sound in play execution. I know that is asking for too much.


I absolutely agree with your comments. The inability to select effective coaching staff is Harbaugh's biggest and most glaring deficiency (among a handful of other weaknesses). I tend to think that John just has no real idea of what to look for in a strong coordinator, and thus relies on family friends or on recommendations from buddies. John needs to feel in control, and to feel a sense of strong loyalty and subservience from his staff (and his players)....a bad formula for winning. We need innovators, that can keep up with a constantly changing NFL. We need strong, smart coordinators that can adapt weekly to the particular foe we are facing. We need great developers of talent that can quickly select and grow budding young talent. I fear John is somewhat of an egomaniac, with a need to constantly defend his competence, and to keep weak but malleable staff members around him. I don't see us moving in a positive direction over the next few years, now that our core leadership has been decimated....it will continue to be an unfocused, robotic, team with a simplistic approach to game play, but with lots of drills and practice. If John could only allow the management team to seek out some up and coming, hungry coordinators, then just let them run with it. John could then be an effective motivator, cheerleader, and conditioning champion for the team..and could be the face of the coaching staff. But he just HAS to get rid of the current crew! If he considered an NCAA opportunity it would solve all of our problems in a very diplomatic manner. Steve could move forward with the team without seeming to be a 'bad' guy. He has to be having serious issues with what he has been watching.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 01:04 AM

very astute analysis from both tommyb and confused. i agree wholeheartedly. bad coaching is the #1 issue/problem, and that falls on the head coach.



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 01:55 AM

Only in Baltimore can a guy with 5 playoff appearances and a Super Bowl in 6 years (along with one of the best winning percentages in the game), be considered a bad coach.
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Posted 30 December 2013 - 06:13 AM

Only in Baltimore can a guy with 5 playoff appearances and a Super Bowl in 6 years (along with one of the best winning percentages in the game), be considered a bad coach.

Harbaugh had the players to lead them to those play-off appearances...this year he didn't.  It's a pretty simple equation.  What I don't like about him is his inability(or refusal) to adjust and overcome certain liabilities he might have on his team.  You need the talent to win but why make it even more difficult, which I think he does? 



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:02 AM

Only in Baltimore can a guy with 5 playoff appearances and a Super Bowl in 6 years (along with one of the best winning percentages in the game), be considered a bad coach.

Yeah exactly. Harbaugh's not going anywhere. Besides he'd be scooped up by another NFL team anyway before a college team got their hands on him


Edited by bmore_ken, 30 December 2013 - 09:02 AM.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:24 AM

Only in Baltimore can a guy with 5 playoff appearances and a Super Bowl in 6 years (along with one of the best winning percentages in the game), be considered a bad coach.

 

I agree. Look around the league at other teams and there coaching issues such as Detroit, Bowns, Cowboys, Skins, Raiders, etc. And we complain about a guy who has won a Super Bowl in his first 6 years. That's right its the players and not Harbaugh :cool: . Like Harbaugh has no say in who is on the team and what role they play.



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:48 AM

I am a Harbaugh admirer and I agree he is not going anywhere at this time. He definitely had an off year, as did everyone from Ozzie on down throughout the club, and this is not the first time this has happened to a Super Bowl championship team.

 

Of the OP's concerns, I think the so-called doghouse thing is blown out of proportion and is not the determining factor in personnel decisions people think. A coach should choose the players that fit his system and style, and the Ravens choose players who's value and future fit their business plan. The guys let go like Reed, Pollard, McKinney, and most problematical Boldin were football business decisions, not a doghouse.

 

As to the coaches, that does seem to be a serious and legitimate concern with Harbaugh. Again, a coach should assistants with whom he is comfortable and support his system, but he seems way too slow to recognize and rectify harmful courses. This year's offense may have been doomed from the start due to what guys were available to work with, especially on the OL (and that is where it all begins) but the play calling was so predictable (again maybe they lacked confidence in the players to execute anything creative) and that has to fall on the coaches. It will be fascinating to see what off season moves are made at the assistant coach level.



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 01:11 PM

I agree. Look around the league at other teams and there coaching issues such as Detroit, Bowns, Cowboys, Skins, Raiders, etc. And we complain about a guy who has won a Super Bowl in his first 6 years. That's right its the players and not Harbaugh :cool: . Like Harbaugh has no say in who is on the team and what role they play.


I remember when we had these same conversations about Billick. You see where he went. A head coach is not always the reason a team wins a Super Bowl. Sometimes teams are peaking and have a good run without a tremendous need for superior coaching...other times, inferior teams perform well because of superior coaching. You need to discern why things are happening and then make appropriate decisions. Sure, maybe Harbaugh has 'earned' some additional 'rope' , and should be given time to prove his true worth...but I can tell you one thing...his coordinators and coaches do NOT deserve anything special, and need to be REPLACED quickly....or we need to get ready to watch more predictable, boring, and very frustrating football. Personally I think that John is like the VP Ops guy who gets promoted to CEO and finds that relying on pure energy, determination, and ramming your head through walls repeatedly, no longer works in the new role! I do think he is in over his head, but could function more effectively with great coordinators. He just needs a firm guiding hand from above to help him select some real coordinators...not just buddies, and weak retreads. John is not a great judge of talent, not a strong developer of players or coaches. It is just, unfortunately, part of his profile. He showed no signs of moving toward a head coaching role in his prior life before the Ravens, and at the time we took a very big gamble in selecting him. He does bring some strong capabilities, but they are narrow, and limited. Sorry but that's MY analysis after watching him over the recent years.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 02:42 PM

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#11 tigercruise

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:06 PM

I remember when we had these same conversations about Billick. You see where he went. A head coach is not always the reason a team wins a Super Bowl. Sometimes teams are peaking and have a good run without a tremendous need for superior coaching...other times, inferior teams perform well because of superior coaching. You need to discern why things are happening and then make appropriate decisions. Sure, maybe Harbaugh has 'earned' some additional 'rope' , and should be given time to prove his true worth...but I can tell you one thing...his coordinators and coaches do NOT deserve anything special, and need to be REPLACED quickly....or we need to get ready to watch more predictable, boring, and very frustrating football. Personally I think that John is like the VP Ops guy who gets promoted to CEO and finds that relying on pure energy, determination, and ramming your head through walls repeatedly, no longer works in the new role! I do think he is in over his head, but could function more effectively with great coordinators. He just needs a firm guiding hand from above to help him select some real coordinators...not just buddies, and weak retreads. John is not a great judge of talent, not a strong developer of players or coaches. It is just, unfortunately, part of his profile. He showed no signs of moving toward a head coaching role in his prior life before the Ravens, and at the time we took a very big gamble in selecting him. He does bring some strong capabilities, but they are narrow, and limited. Sorry but that's MY analysis after watching him over the recent years.

 

What's most disturbing about Harbaugh is he is resistant to change. The OL is a perfect example. It didn't work from the start and never improved. And yet, we saw the same horrible run attack every week. We saw Flacco running for his life consistently. So you have to ask yourself, "Why would a coach sit there all year seeing the same results week after week and not make a change?" Some very capable rookies sat all year that could have been a big help on the OL and they were never given a chance. You think Belichick would sit there week after week watching Brady get pummeled and do nothing to try and rectify the situation? No way. Coaching is 99% of the problem with the Ravens.


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 05:43 PM

What's most disturbing about Harbaugh is he is resistant to change. The OL is a perfect example. It didn't work from the start and never improved. And yet, we saw the same horrible run attack every week. We saw Flacco running for his life consistently. So you have to ask yourself, "Why would a coach sit there all year seeing the same results week after week and not make a change?" Some very capable rookies sat all year that could have been a big help on the OL and they were never given a chance. You think Belichick would sit there week after week watching Brady get pummeled and do nothing to try and rectify the situation? No way. Coaching is 99% of the problem with the Ravens.


The thing is, coaching isn't 99% of the problem if the starters are not good enough to get it done. How do you, presumably a fan looking on from afar, know that those rookies were "very capable"? Perhaps they showed in practice that they were not ready for prime time. I think Harbaugh has his flaws, and I think there were many coaching mistakes from the top on down, but I think the players we had this year were just not good enough.

Earl Weaver was a great manager when he had Palmer, Robinson, Robinson, McNally, Blair, Belanger, Cuellar, Johnson, and Powell. When he came back for a second tour he was a mediocre manager. Did he change or did he have less to work with?
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Posted 30 December 2013 - 07:31 PM

Only in Baltimore can a guy with 5 playoff appearances and a Super Bowl in 6 years (along with one of the best winning percentages in the game), be considered a bad coach.


New to the City?

Whining about coaches and coordinators is as Baltimore as envy, dumb accents, and electing criminals (Democrats) to political office.

#14 tommyb

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 08:31 PM

[quote name="Brohan" post="6430178" timestamp="1388449896"]New to the City?
Whining about coaches and coordinators is as Baltimore as envy, dumb accents, and electing criminals (Democrats) to political office.[/quot

We will just leave it to you, with your brilliant analysis, to whine about the players. You've really got it all figured out! You were right about the part on electing Democrats though. You can't be completely stupid.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:39 PM

Only in Baltimore can a guy with 5 playoff appearances and a Super Bowl in 6 years (along with one of the best winning percentages in the game), be considered a bad coach.

That is why they call them BALT-I-MORONS!



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 09:39 AM

Coaching is 99% of the problem with the Ravens.

Totally disagree. Brian Billick was a supposed Offensive guru in Minnesota, yet had lousy offenses here as a head coach. You  don't  think it made a difference that he had  Randy Moss and Cris Carter catching the ball in Minnesota instead of Travis Taylor here?


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