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#1 SugarRay52

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:22 PM

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#2 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:46 PM

Patience is a virtue.

 

Sometimes.



#3 Rob

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 11:00 PM

I like our owner. He tells it like it is.



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 07:51 AM

Tolerate more failure? You have to question his sincerity. What bothers me the most is the way the team just cruised along for 16 games and NEVER once made an attempt to make a CHANGE. After each press conference we heard the same rhetoric from Harbaugh; " We have to get better." And now, at the final team press conference we hear the same thing. Why would you think that any change would come now when it did not for the entire season? I'm sorry but when a coach makes a bizarre (ESPN's comment) statement that he did not know why Rice was not in the game, you HAVE to question Harbaugh's coaching abilities. If you are satisfied with this type of coach that's fine. But I am not. When a bunch of millionaires and one billionaire sit around and tell me they won't tolerate failure after tolerating it all year, it makes you wonder if they were watching the same team we did all year.


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#5 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 07:54 AM

Tolerate more failure? You have to question his sincerity. What bothers me the most is the way the team just cruised along for 16 games and NEVER once made an attempt to make a CHANGE. After each press conference we heard the same rhetoric from Harbaugh; " We have to get better." And now, at the final team press conference we hear the same thing. Why would you think that any change would come now when it did not for the entire season? I'm sorry but when a coach makes a bizarre (ESPN's comment) statement that he did not know why Rice was not in the game, you HAVE to question Harbaugh's coaching abilities. If you are satisfied with this type of coach that's fine. But I am not. When a bunch of millionaires and one billionaire sit around and tell me they won't tolerate failure after tolerating it all year, it makes you wonder if they were watching the same team we did all year.

Really. Hasn't he seen enough failure from his head coach not dealing successfully with his coordinators already? How many MORE times does it have to happen before he finally says enough?!


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 09 January 2014 - 07:55 AM.


#6 ivanbalt

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 08:04 AM

Hypothetical for you two.  Let's say Harbaugh gets fired like you clearly want.  New head coach comes in with new coordinators.  What record would you tolerate before the new coach should be fired?



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 08:35 AM

I was hoping that Harbs would finally put to rest the 'ol, "we will work hard and try to get better going forward" routine but it's apparent he's going to carry it right through the off season.  You'd think Bisciotti would be sick of hearing that stock response too.  What Harbaugh should have said was, "I'm your classic hard head and I have no plans to change anything for next year.  If there are changes, it will forced upon me.  Otherwise, I'm as happy as a pig in ****."  I hope Newsome realizes this and compensates with better players.



#8 CajunRaven

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 09:30 AM

I like our owner. He tells it like it is.

 

I agree.

 

Anyone who manages people know that people make mistakes. I tell my folks it's ok to make a mistake, it's not ok to make the same mistake over and over.

 

Harbaugh's had 5 good seasons and one bad one. So give him next year to see what happens to turn things around, especially on offense.

 

My biggest issue with the offense was there was no improvement over the year. That's on the OC and his offensive coaches. If Harbaugh doesn't address it with them, then he owns it. I just found it interesting the WIlbert was fired, who has been here 6 years and Juan seems to have been promoted. It sounds like WIlbert and Juan clashed and Juan won.


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#9 RIKMAN

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 09:56 AM

I like our owner too. I'm a bit more concerned about Ozzie than Harbaugh.

 

Ozzie has whiffed on some draft choices recently and I think the rest of the league has cuaght up to the Ravens in their draft savvy.

 

I'm hoping their draft position and scounting will start the re-tooling needed in April and not the "make-over" presented yesterday.


Edited by RIKMAN, 09 January 2014 - 09:56 AM.

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#10 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:15 AM

Hypothetical for you two.  Let's say Harbaugh gets fired like you clearly want.  New head coach comes in with new coordinators.  What record would you tolerate before the new coach should be fired?

It depends. The issue with Harbaugh is HOW MANY COORDINATORS he's picked that have SUCKED. And his stubborn insistence that they stay on board. It's ridiculous at this point. Or do you see if differently?


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 09 January 2014 - 10:15 AM.


#11 Slidemaster

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:19 AM

It depends. The issue with Harbaugh is HOW MANY COORDINATORS he's picked that have SUCKED. And his stubborn insistence that they stay on board. It's ridiculous at this point. Or do you see if differently?


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#12 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:26 AM

You couldn't stop slobbering over Caldwell last year.

What I was "slobbering over" was Cameron finally being fired. And the almost immediate impact it had, along with the O-line fix, on the offense. And that has NOTHING to do with the total failure of Caldwell THIS year.

 

Now go run along. You are such a yappy little dog. Go over to the O's board and make the same fool of yourself you've been making there for years, okay?


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 09 January 2014 - 10:26 AM.


#13 ivanbalt

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:03 AM

It depends. The issue with Harbaugh is HOW MANY COORDINATORS he's picked that have SUCKED. And his stubborn insistence that they stay on board. It's ridiculous at this point. Or do you see if differently?

 

I can't fault him on the defensive side since two left to be HCs.  For the offense, it's been pretty bad.  My opinion, you give Harbaugh another year and see if things return to form.  Another 8-8 or worse and then it might be time to part ways depending how the season goes.



#14 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:15 AM

I can't fault him on the defensive side since two left to be HCs.  For the offense, it's been pretty bad.  My opinion, you give Harbaugh another year and see if things return to form.  Another 8-8 or worse and then it might be time to part ways depending how the season goes.

You can't fault him on the defensive side? Have you forgotten about Pops Mattison?!!!

 

And Pees is mediocre at best. He has totally abandoned the former identity as a POWER defense, and has substituted instead his bend but don't break mentality.


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 09 January 2014 - 11:16 AM.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:34 AM

I can't fault him on the defensive side since two left to be HCs.  For the offense, it's been pretty bad.  My opinion, you give Harbaugh another year and see if things return to form.  Another 8-8 or worse and then it might be time to part ways depending how the season goes.

The problems with OCs started well before Harbaugh became coach. I can't name one (except for 5 glorious weeks last season) that the fans have been happy with in this century. 



#16 Brohan

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:15 PM

I agree.

 

Anyone who manages people know that people make mistakes. I tell my folks it's ok to make a mistake, it's not ok to make the same mistake over and over.

 

Harbaugh's had 5 good seasons and one bad one. So give him next year to see what happens to turn things around, especially on offense.

 

My biggest issue with the offense was there was no improvement over the year. That's on the OC and his offensive coaches. If Harbaugh doesn't address it with them, then he owns it. I just found it interesting the WIlbert was fired, who has been here 6 years and Juan seems to have been promoted. It sounds like WIlbert and Juan clashed and Juan won.

 

 

So from owner to owner to owner, head coach to head coach, from O coordinator to  O coodinator the results are always the same.  Who is the common denominator here?

 

I'll give you a hint, if he can ever draft a difference making WR he will lose his "virginity" because it would be the first.  Minus Ogden our wizard also has a terrible track record with offensive lineman.

 

I wouldn't be so proud of letting the only good WR you ever acquired go last offseason Oz.  There are a lot more Devard Darlings, Javin Hunters, Marcus Nashs, Clarence Moores, Kevin Johnsons, Frank Sanders, Brandon Stokleys 2x, Ron Johnsons, Mark Claytons and Tavis Taylors on your resume than Anquan Boldins.


Edited by Brohan, 09 January 2014 - 01:15 PM.


#17 ivanbalt

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:22 PM

So from owner to owner to owner, head coach to head coach, from O coordinator to  O coodinator the results are always the same.  Who is the common denominator here?

 

I'll give you a hint, if he can ever draft a difference making WR he will lose his "virginity" because it would be the first.  Minus Ogden our wizard also has a terrible track record with offensive lineman.

 

I wouldn't be so proud of letting the only good WR you ever acquired go last offseason Oz.  There are a lot more Devard Darlings, Javin Hunters, Marcus Nashs, Clarence Moores, Kevin Johnsons, Frank Sanders, Brandon Stokleys 2x, Ron Johnsons, Mark Claytons and Tavis Taylors on your resume than Anquan Boldins.

 

How many current GMs have two rings?  Just saying.



#18 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:39 PM

So from owner to owner to owner, head coach to head coach, from O coordinator to  O coodinator the results are always the same.  Who is the common denominator here?

 

I'll give you a hint, if he can ever draft a difference making WR he will lose his "virginity" because it would be the first.  Minus Ogden our wizard also has a terrible track record with offensive lineman.

 

I wouldn't be so proud of letting the only good WR you ever acquired go last offseason Oz.  There are a lot more Devard Darlings, Javin Hunters, Marcus Nashs, Clarence Moores, Kevin Johnsons, Frank Sanders, Brandon Stokleys 2x, Ron Johnsons, Mark Claytons and Tavis Taylors on your resume than Anquan Boldins.

No doubt the WR track record is among the worst in the NFL. But don't T Smith, Todd Heap and Dennis Pitta belong in the list? (Or are you ONLY talking about WRs and not TEs?)

 

And I'd certainly add Grubbs and Yanda to the linemen list.


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 09 January 2014 - 01:44 PM.


#19 Slidemaster

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:52 PM

What I was "slobbering over" was Cameron finally being fired. And the almost immediate impact it had, along with the O-line fix, on the offense. And that has NOTHING to do with the total failure of Caldwell THIS year.

Now go run along. You are such a yappy little dog. Go over to the O's board and make the same fool of yourself you've been making there for years, okay?


It sucks when someone remembers all your hypocritical nonsense, doesn't it? :)

Just remember - Joe just got lucky last year. Your words not mine.
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#20 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 02:03 PM

It sucks when someone remembers all your hypocritical nonsense, doesn't it? :)

Just remember - Joe just got lucky last year. Your words not mine.

No. But it must really suck to be you.






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