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#1 soulflower

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:53 PM

I guess the Dodgers are out of the Tanaka sweepstakes

 

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 06:34 PM

Wow, $30 mil a year for a pitcher!



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:07 AM

I'm sure many who have been tainted by Angelos and his cheapness will be on here soon saying how stupid the Dodgers are to spend that kind of money.  Well this how much stars cost in 2014.  This is not 1993.  It costs big time money due to supply and demand to sign these guys and the Orioles are way behind the times.  We will never ever sign a big time pitcher or hitter with this mindset. 

 

Instead we go dumpster diving for guys who had a good season a few years ago and has been waiting tables at TGI Fridays recently



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:41 AM

in 5 full seasons, he's already won 2 CY awards. he nearly won a 3rd, and he has a 2.60 career ERA. it's amazing.

 

of course, the sabermetrics gang will tell you that he's only a good pitcher, not great, because his WHIP is 1.093.  :huh:


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:45 AM

I'm sure many who have been tainted by Angelos and his cheapness will be on here soon saying how stupid the Dodgers are to spend that kind of money.  Well this how much stars cost in 2014.  This is not 1993.  It costs big time money due to supply and demand to sign these guys and the Orioles are way behind the times.  We will never ever sign a big time pitcher or hitter with this mindset. 

 

Instead we go dumpster diving for guys who had a good season a few years ago and has been waiting tables at TGI Fridays recently

I like the dumpster diving, scrap heap moves. there's nothing wrong with finding a bargain. the O's went into october- 2012 riding the arms of those types of pitchers.

 

but I agree with your overall thoughts. you're not likely to win it all, or even be a regular contender if all you're doing is shopping in the scratched and dent section. 2013 proved that.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:00 AM

I like the dumpster diving, scrap heap moves. there's nothing wrong with finding a bargain. the O's went into october- 2012 riding the arms of those types of pitchers.

 

but I agree with your overall thoughts. you're not likely to win it all, or even be a regular contender if all you're doing is shopping in the scratched and dent section. 2013 proved that.

 

2013 showed us exactly what we already knew. 2012 was a statistical anomaly.   Winning all those 1 run and extra inning ball games.  It was a freak event and sadly had our hopes raised to high for the future.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:23 AM

2013 showed us exactly what we already knew. 2012 was a statistical anomaly.   Winning all those 1 run and extra inning ball games.  It was a freak event and sadly had our hopes raised to high for the future.

I remember back then when those of us who had that opinion were being called non fans


Edited by bmore_ken, 16 January 2014 - 10:23 AM.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:02 PM

I remember back then when those of us who had that opinion were being called non fans

you fakey fan  :P


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:08 PM

2013 showed us exactly what we already knew. 2012 was a statistical anomaly.   Winning all those 1 run and extra inning ball games.  It was a freak event and sadly had our hopes raised to high for the future.

I disagree. the O's were in contention well into Sept last season. they almost made the playoffs again. the problem was that they lost Chen for a couple of months, and played patchwork quilting games rather than commit to replacing him immediately. Wasting some additional starts on Arrietta was another bad decision. add to that, the fact that they were the only AL team to play 4 months without a DH.

 

that was the problem with 2013, not the irrelevant 1 run game record.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:22 PM

I remember back then when those of us who had that opinion were being called non fans

Everyone knew it was mostly a fluke; but I must say I did enjoy the ride!


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#11 Oriole-Bob

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:27 PM

I disagree. the O's were in contention well into Sept last season. they almost made the playoffs again. the problem was that they lost Chen for a couple of months, and played patchwork quilting games rather than commit to replacing him immediately. Wasting some additional starts on Arrietta was another bad decision. add to that, the fact that they were the only AL team to play 4 months without a DH.

 

that was the problem with 2013, not the irrelevant 1 run game record.

 

 

And what exactly have they done to help that DH and pitching situation??  You can make excuses for the team all you want, but every team has injuries and personnel issues every year. 



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:04 PM

And what exactly have they done to help that DH and pitching situation??  You can make excuses for the team all you want, but every team has injuries and personnel issues every year. 

And when your line up is thin already, you can't just weather that stuff. You have to make moves. Weird-o is right. Too much time was wasted waiting on Arrieta to figure it out, trotting out Freddie Garcia, etc. They should have actually made a move on a starter prior to the start of last season. And the trend continues as this year's team is already weaker than last year's


Edited by bmore_ken, 16 January 2014 - 02:05 PM.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:40 PM

And when your line up is thin already, you can't just weather that stuff. You have to make moves. Weird-o is right. Too much time was wasted waiting on Arrieta to figure it out, trotting out Freddie Garcia, etc. They should have actually made a move on a starter prior to the start of last season. And the trend continues as this year's team is already weaker than last year's

 

Thats my point, DH and starting pitching was a known issue going into 2013 season, they did the same exact thing then they are doing now.  Dumpster diving, then it was Jurgens and Garcia


Edited by Oriole-Bob, 16 January 2014 - 02:41 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:06 PM

And what exactly have they done to help that DH and pitching situation??  You can make excuses for the team all you want, but every team has injuries and personnel issues every year. 

easy, there's no need to be crass. we weren't talking about the upcoming 2014 season, we were talking about 2013. asking me what they did in improve after 2013 is a totally different conversation. and I don't need to answer that question, you know what they've done. words like zilch come to mind.

 

as for calling be an excuse maker, you don't know who you're talking to, I can assure you of that. because if you did, you would never pin that title to me. the 2013 O's team was built to compete, and they did. losing your #2 starter hurts any team. that's not an excuse, that reality. there was an 8 game swing between the 2012 & 2013 records. Wei Yin missed 10 starts, he would have won 5 of those. by adding a real starting pitcher to replace him, and leaving Arietta in the BP, the O's would have come up with the 3 additional wins needed to match their 2012 record. that puts them in the playoffs.  


Edited by weird-O, 16 January 2014 - 03:08 PM.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:40 PM

I remember back then when those of us who had that opinion were being called non fans

 

Can't a man lie to himself?  :(



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:54 PM

That maybe the best contract ever in professional sports. Think about it, he performs maybe once s week. Does not matter if it is five, six or seven innings. that is amazing. Can you imagine how much a Nolan Ryan or Randy Johnson would be worth in their prime?

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:09 AM

easy, there's no need to be crass. we weren't talking about the upcoming 2014 season, we were talking about 2013. asking me what they did in improve after 2013 is a totally different conversation. and I don't need to answer that question, you know what they've done. words like zilch come to mind.

 

as for calling be an excuse maker, you don't know who you're talking to, I can assure you of that. because if you did, you would never pin that title to me. the 2013 O's team was built to compete, and they did. losing your #2 starter hurts any team. that's not an excuse, that reality. there was an 8 game swing between the 2012 & 2013 records. Wei Yin missed 10 starts, he would have won 5 of those. by adding a real starting pitcher to replace him, and leaving Arietta in the BP, the O's would have come up with the 3 additional wins needed to match their 2012 record. that puts them in the playoffs.  

 

The 2013 team was built to compete??  With no DH?? Yeah I guess if Dan forgot his team was in the American League that team was built to compete lol   Every team in baseball has injuries, having depth in your farm system to make up for those injuries is being built to compete, not having to go out mid season and find scraps to fill up your rotation.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:34 AM

The 2013 team was built to compete??  With no DH?? Yeah I guess if Dan forgot his team was in the American League that team was built to compete lol   Every team in baseball has injuries, having depth in your farm system to make up for those injuries is being built to compete, not having to go out mid season and find scraps to fill up your rotation.

you're arguing about the O's competitiveness in 2013 as if it's a matter of opinion. it's not. it's a fact that they were a competitive team. you can say they weren't, but you're wrong. that's like opining that Tom Glavine isn't a HOF worthy pitcher. it ceased to be a matter of opinion, the moment he surpassed the required 75% of the vote.      


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:30 AM

The 2013 team was built to compete??  With no DH??

Did you watch at all during the season? They were in it until the last week of the season. That's called competing


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:55 AM

Did you watch at all during the season? They were in it until the last week of the season. That's called competing

I'm glad you chimed in. I thought maybe I was confused and wasn't understanding what he was saying. I'm relieved that it's not me.  


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