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Now, according to The Sun, the OC position is down to 4 folks:

 

Shanahan

Linehan

Hostler

Kirby Wilson

 

(Kirby Wilson? Yes. From the Steelers. Their running  backs coach.)

 

I don't know about anyone else...but to me, this list just doesn't yell AWESOME OFFENSE IN 2014!!!

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Now, according to The Sun, the OC position is down to 4 folks:

 

Shanahan

Linehan

Hostler

Kirby

 

(Kirby? Yes. From the Steelers. Their running backs coach.)

 

I don't know about anyone else...but to me, this list just doesn't yell AWESOME OFFENSE IN 2014!!!

OCF in honor of Richard Sherman I have to say that this list is mediocre at best, at best. The guy

I was touting Joe Lombardi was hired by the Lions

to be their new OC. I keep hearing that Harbaugh doesn't want to hire a young up and coming coach because he would worry about his job security, BS.

I tried to support Harbaugh but I just can't do it

anymore, I'm done. I know it's still January but until I see otherwise I'm convinced this offense will continue to fall apart therefore the team will

once again miss the playoffs.

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I feel ya bra. I feel ya.

 

Probably the most interesting name in the group is Kirby Wilson. He's 52, and has a lot of NFL experience as a RB coach. But that doesn't necessarily translate into being a great OC. Also, he's really bounced around a LOT. He's been with the Steelers the longest of any team -- from 2007 to the present. His other stints have been more of the 1 or 2 year variety. Still, he's a very interesting guy. I just don't know if selecting him as the OC is the way to go.

 

Regardless, this is clearly John Harbaugh's team, and even discounting all of his pressers as being little more than coach speak, I have little if any faith that John Harbaugh has a clear idea of where and how he wants to lead this team. And so IMO, this latest endeavor is little more than rearranging the lounge chairs on the deck of the Titanic -- an effort in futility that will NOT solve the fundamental problems on offense. that have dogged the Ravens for 15 years.

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I feel ya bra. I feel ya.

 

Probably the most interesting name in the group is Kirby Wilson. He's 52, and has a lot of NFL experience as a RB coach. But that doesn't necessarily translate into being a great OC. Also, he's really bounced around a LOT. He's been with the Steelers the longest of any team -- from 2007 to the present. His other stints have been more of the 1 or 2 year variety. Still, he's a very interesting guy. I just don't know if selecting him as the OC is the way to go.

 

Regardless, this is clearly John Harbaugh's team, and even discounting all of his pressers as being little more than coach speak, I have little if any faith that John Harbaugh has a clear idea of where and how he wants to lead this team. And so IMO, this latest endeavor is little more than rearranging the lounge chairs on the deck of the Titanic -- an effort in futility that will NOT solve the fundamental problems on offense. that have dogged the Ravens for 15 years.

Your quote "rearranging the lounge chairs on the deck of the Titanic" is probably the most succinct, accurate description of what is going on with Harbaugh and 'his' Ravens. I still firmly believe that he is passionate, energetic, hard working...and has NO CLUE!!! This is a very dangerous combination of traits! The strategic side of the game is a total 'zip' for John. He is now responsible for calling all the shots, assembling all the talent, and bringing in the new coaches.......which will end up being his Waterloo.

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Your quote "rearranging the lounge chairs on the deck of the Titanic" is probably the most succinct, accurate description of what is going on with Harbaugh and 'his' Ravens. I still firmly believe that he is passionate, energetic, hard working...and has NO CLUE!!! This is a very dangerous combination of traits! The strategic side of the game is a total 'zip' for John. He is now responsible for calling all the shots, assembling all the talent, and bringing in the new coaches.......which will end up being his Waterloo.

I remember having seen that expression back in the Billick days and it's as relevant for Harbaugh as it was for Billick. Because along with what you stated, Harbaugh is also doggedly stubborn. As was Billick. And toss in a mighty men dose of arrogance, and you've got the quintessential formula for repeating the same mistakes over and over again. What more does anyone need to look at than the mess with Castillo. At the bye week the season was still within reach of being saved; all it needed was the correct call from the head coach. He didn't make that call. He stuck with a losing hand in Castillo, and he's STILL sticking with that same losing hand. And the owner is on board with that. So that's it, and that's that.

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Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 44m Although no decision made on Ravens OC job, multiple NFL sources at Senior Bowl predicting WR coach Jim Hostler will ultimately land the job

 

The ship is about to explode, this franchise doesn't care about offense

at all.

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Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 44m Although no decision made on Ravens OC job, multiple NFL sources at Senior Bowl predicting WR coach Jim Hostler will ultimately land the job

 

The ship is about to explode, this franchise doesn't care about offense

at all.

If Hostler is ultimately selected, then you know that the past couple of weeks was nothing more than a smoke and mirrors/dog and pony show.

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The Baltimore Sun is already buttering up Hostler in anticipation of the hire:   

 

"While he got poor results in his one season as the 49ers’ offensive coordinator — San Francisco ranked last in the NFL In total yards and points per game —Hostler has a good relationship with several of the Ravens’ offensive standouts, including quarterback Joe Flacco, and he’s gotten high marks for his work with young receivers like Torrey Smith and Marlon Brown."

 

Who cares if he has a good relationship with the players.  I have a lot of friends that I like to hang out with, but that doesn't mean I would hire them to run my company.    I really don't like any of the choices for OC, but Hostler is the worst IMO.  The guy was horrible his one year in SF.   The Sun acts as though "continuity" from hiring from within means something positive.  We had a horrible offense last year.  Why would we want to continue that?  Blow it up and bring in some new blood with new ideas!!!

 

Back to the Sun, has there ever been a City Paper that has been such apologists and sycophants to the local sports teams?  Besides Preston, they are rarely critical of anyone.  If we were in NY or Philly they would be destroying Harbaugh.


 
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"Back to the Sun, has there ever been a City Paper that has been such apologists and sycophants to the local sports teams?  Besides Preston, they are rarely critical of anyone.  If we were in NY or Philly they would be destroying Harbaugh."

 

No truer statement has ever been made. They are all bullied by Harbaugh fearing that they will be banned from the castle. It's my understanding Harbaugh is looking for an OC that will inform him of who's playing, how long they've been playing and how many time outs they have left to waste. :P

 

 

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From Hostler's Wiki page:

"As offensive coordinator for the 49ers, he was subject to much scrutiny and criticism regarding his playcalling. Among his most common criticisms was his inability to effectively use star running back Frank Gore, who led the National Football Conference (NFC) in rushing in 2006, but under Hostlers' play calling, was largely ineffective.  Gore publicly criticized Hostler, saying the team did not trust his play calling.  Midway into the 2007 season, the 49ers' offense was ranked last in the NFL, and the 49ers' rushing offense, ranked sixth the previous year, was ranked near the bottom of the league after eight games under Hostler's direction. Under Hostlers' direction, the 49ers fell behind every team in the league in the categories of total offense, yards passing, and yards per play."
 

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From Hostler's Wiki page:

 

"As offensive coordinator for the 49ers, he was subject to much scrutiny and criticism regarding his playcalling. Among his most common criticisms was his inability to effectively use star running back Frank Gore, who led the National Football Conference (NFC) in rushing in 2006, but under Hostlers' play calling, was largely ineffective.  Gore publicly criticized Hostler, saying the team did not trust his play calling.  Midway into the 2007 season, the 49ers' offense was ranked last in the NFL, and the 49ers' rushing offense, ranked sixth the previous year, was ranked near the bottom of the league after eight games under Hostler's direction. Under Hostlers' direction, the 49ers fell behind every team in the league in the categories of total offense, yards passing, and yards per play."

 

Ouch.

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From Hostler's Wiki page:

 

"As offensive coordinator for the 49ers, he was subject to much scrutiny and criticism regarding his playcalling. Among his most common criticisms was his inability to effectively use star running back Frank Gore, who led the National Football Conference (NFC) in rushing in 2006, but under Hostlers' play calling, was largely ineffective.  Gore publicly criticized Hostler, saying the team did not trust his play calling.  Midway into the 2007 season, the 49ers' offense was ranked last in the NFL, and the 49ers' rushing offense, ranked sixth the previous year, was ranked near the bottom of the league after eight games under Hostler's direction. Under Hostlers' direction, the 49ers fell behind every team in the league in the categories of total offense, yards passing, and yards per play."

 

 

Well that about does it. He's a shoe-in.

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Well that about does it. He's a shoe-in.

The handwriting is on the wall.

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Well that about does it. He's a shoe-in.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  I mean what a joke.  This is absolutely the last guy in the NFL the Ravens should give the job to.   Maybe they figure the offense hasn't hit rock bottom yet and they want to really screw it up.   Promote Castillo to Oline coach and hire Hostler.  That should just about do it. 

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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  I mean what a joke.  This is absolutely the last guy in the NFL the Ravens should give the job to.   Maybe they figure the offense hasn't hit rock bottom yet and they want to really screw it up.   Promote Castillo to Oline coach and hire Hostler.  That should just about do it. 

Nothing to do but sit back and watch everyone blame Joe for the mess.

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Nothing to do but sit back and watch everyone blame Joe for the mess.

That's the sad part about this, there are more

people who hate on Joe than having sympathy for

him. You were right about this interview process

being a dog and pony show, Wally Williams has

been saying that on 105.7 the fan the past couple

of weeks. I'm throwing in the towel for next season,

no point in getting our hopes up and expecting big

changes from the offense.

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That's the sad part about this, there are more

people who hate on Joe than having sympathy for

him. You were right about this interview process

being a dog and pony show, Wally Williams has

been saying that on 105.7 the fan the past couple

of weeks. I'm throwing in the towel for next season,

no point in getting our hopes up and expecting big

changes from the offense.

IMO, Harbaugh is all about risk aversion. It impacts rookie playing time; and just about everything else. He was able to step outside of himself during last year's playoff run, but like a rubber band stretched to its breaking point, he eventually returned to his more comfortable state -- avoiding risks.

 

So his whole conservative approach impacts everything -- offense, defense, and STs. So it should come as no surprise that they'll take the same approach here -- do as little to rock the boat as possible; stay with the familiar even when it's a failed approach; tweak a few things here and there but don't change anything radically; and in a mediocre, watered down league, that should always be good enough for an 8-8 record, +/-.

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If Hostler is ultimately selected, then you know that the past couple of weeks was nothing more than a smoke and mirrors/dog and pony show.

As soon as Caldwell left, I just assumed it was going to be either Castillo or Hostler.  Of course it's just smoke and mirrors with Harbaugh interviewing other people.  He had no intention of hiring outside of the organization.  Does anyone honestly think he'd allow some hot shot to come in and radically change an offense that Harbaugh has molded into his own image?  Who knows, maybe we'll all be shocked but realistically, I think it was obvious how it would unfold. And when Hostler is announced as the new OC, John Boy will get in front of the cameras and say, "he's a Raven, he believes in the Raven way of doing things.  Most importantly, he's excited about our players and their potential to get better next year.  I feel very confident that moving forward, we WILL get better."  You know the song and dance....

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As soon as Caldwell left, I just assumed it was going to be either Castillo or Hostler.  Of course it's just smoke and mirrors with Harbaugh interviewing other people.  He had no intention of hiring outside of the organization.  Does anyone honestly think he'd allow some hot shot to come in and radically change an offense that Harbaugh has molded into his own image?  Who knows, maybe we'll all be shocked but realistically, I think it was obvious how it would unfold. And when Hostler is announced as the new OC, John Boy will get in front of the cameras and say, "he's a Raven, he believes in the Raven way of doing things.  Most importantly, he's excited about our players and their potential to get better next year.  I feel very confident that moving forward, we WILL get better."  You know the song and dance....

By heart.

 

(Just as well as the Hallelujah Chorus and their: FIVE STRAIGHT POST SEASONS. ONE SUPER BOWL VICTORY. TOP FIVE COACH IN THE NFL. Blah. Blah. Blah.)

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IMO, Harbaugh is all about risk aversion. It impacts rookie playing time; and just about everything else. He was able to step outside of himself during last year's playoff run, but like a rubber band stretched to its breaking point, he eventually returned to his more comfortable state -- avoiding risks.

 

So his whole conservative approach impacts everything -- offense, defense, and STs. So it should come as no surprise that they'll take the same approach here -- do as little to rock the boat as possible; stay with the familiar even when it's a failed approach; tweak a few things here and there but don't change anything radically; and in a mediocre, watered down league, that should always be good enough for an 8-8 record, +/-.

You are right about Harbaugh being conservative

and being about risk aversion but in this case he's

living dangerously. He decides to keep an Oline coach who clearly doesn't fit well with the team and

now he will likely hire a guy who failed miserably as an OC with the 49ers, he's doing all of that while coming off an 8-8 season not a playoff appearance. This is going to blow up in his face

bigtime. He could get away with his comfortable approach before because of the playoff streak and

a Superbowl title, his way stopped working when Ray

and the other leaders left.

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From Hostler's Wiki page:

 

"As offensive coordinator for the 49ers, he was subject to much scrutiny and criticism regarding his playcalling. Among his most common criticisms was his inability to effectively use star running back Frank Gore, who led the National Football Conference (NFC) in rushing in 2006, but under Hostlers' play calling, was largely ineffective.  Gore publicly criticized Hostler, saying the team did not trust his play calling.  Midway into the 2007 season, the 49ers' offense was ranked last in the NFL, and the 49ers' rushing offense, ranked sixth the previous year, was ranked near the bottom of the league after eight games under Hostler's direction. Under Hostlers' direction, the 49ers fell behind every team in the league in the categories of total offense, yards passing, and yards per play."

 

So, in other words, just like the Ravens of 2013.  At least he'll be consistent.

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Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 16m

Source confirms ravens first interview with steelers rbs coach kirby wilson for oc job went very well he's set for 2nd meeting friday

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You are right about Harbaugh being conservative

and being about risk aversion but in this case he's

living dangerously. He decides to keep an Oline coach who clearly doesn't fit well with the team and

now he will likely hire a guy who failed miserably as an OC with the 49ers, he's doing all of that while coming off an 8-8 season not a playoff appearance. This is going to blow up in his face

bigtime. He could get away with his comfortable approach before because of the playoff streak and

a Superbowl title, his way stopped working when Ray

and the other leaders left.

That's how I see it. That's why I've said that the "real" John Harbaugh era started in earnest this past season. And it was a train wreck, on many levels. The thing is...with a QB like Joe who can keep you in most games even with a crappy supporting cast around him, the Ravens will most likely always be around 8-8 at worst. I don't see any 5-11 seasons like the one that really sank Billick's ship. So who knows how long Bistiotti will tolerate Harbaugh. I'm still amazed that Marvin Lewis has a head coaching job. But stranger things happen all the time in the NFL.

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Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 16m

Source confirms ravens first interview with steelers rbs coach kirby wilson for oc job went very well he's set for 2nd meeting friday

Interesting. At least with K Wilson you get someone who knows the Steelers pretty intimately. That's a plus.

 

(But like with Harbaugh himself...I find it a little disconcerting that for all the years that Wilson has been in the NFL, he's never really advanced. And even when the Steelers canned Arians, they didn't promote Wilson, they brought in Haley. So who knows. The one thing that's clear is that being an NFL OC is not an easy task by any means. You really need to know what you're doing or D's are going to eat you alive.)

 

The other question is...

 

Is this an endorsement of Wilson, or a question of Harbaugh's ability to conduct the interview properly all by himself. Supposedly, there are some F.O. members who weren't present at the first interview, who will be present at the second one.

 

Also, what happens to Hostler's attitude if he's passed over?

 

Many questions. Not many answers at this point.

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Interesting. At least with K Wilson you get someone who knows the Steelers pretty intimately. That's a plus.

 

(But like with Harbaugh himself...I find it a little disconcerting that for all the years that Wilson has been in the NFL, he's never really advanced. And even when the Steelers canned Arians, they didn't promote Wilson, they brought in Haley. So who knows. The one thing that's clear is that being an NFL OC is not an easy task by any means. You really need to know what you're doing or D's are going to eat you alive.)

 

The other question is...

 

Is this an endorsement of Wilson, or a question of Harbaugh's ability to conduct the interview properly all by himself. Supposedly, there are some F.O. members who weren't present at the first interview, who will be present at the second one.

 

Also, what happens to Hostler's attitude if he's passed over?

 

Many questions. Not many answers at this point.

Well I am going to defend Wilson in this regard he

was going to get promoted to the OC position after

Arians was fired but he was badly burned in a house

fire. It's a pretty amazing story about courage. I definitely want him over Hostler but with Harbaugh

as head coach it really doesn't matter who the OC

is, things won't go the way us fans want them to.

Far as Hostler's attitude if he doesn't get the job

he really should be lucky he's getting an interview.

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