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#1 JoyinMudville

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:45 AM

Trying to get a sense of just how good the 2014 Yankees will be. They made a bunch of high profile moves with Ellsbury, Beltran, Roberts, and now Tanaka joining the team.

 

But they still have an even older Jeter and a big question mark at 3rd. Texeria could bounce back but I don't see how Roberts replaces the power and production of Cano. What other moves have I missed?

 

Are the Yanks dramatically better on paper?

 

Discuss!



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:46 AM

Oh, I forgot McCain as catcher. A pretty significant upgrade.



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 12:03 PM

with Tanaka, and not much else, taking the hill...they'll have their struggles. CC and Kuroda are 2 really big ifs. they'll get their wins from facing mediocre pitching and clubbing teams into submission with a strong offense. also, having the opportunity to beat up on the O's and Blow Jays for 32 games will assure that they stay in contention. but the post season isn't a certainly. and if they make it, it's likely to be a short visit. they don't have the arms.  


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 12:38 PM

with Tanaka, and not much else, taking the hill...they'll have their struggles. CC and Kuroda are 2 really big ifs. they'll get their wins from facing mediocre pitching and clubbing teams into submission with a strong offense. also, having the opportunity to beat up on the O's and Blow Jays for 32 games will assure that they stay in contention. but the post season isn't a certainly. and if they make it, it's likely to be a short visit. they don't have the arms.  

 

Yeah, like that fearsome rotation the Sox had last year. The Yanks have plenty to win it all. They won 85 games last year.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:01 PM

Just another reason to find some additional hobbies for this summer. Long season for the O's awaits



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:05 PM

I wonder if the Yankees will improve enough and Orioles regress enough for everyone's favorite Yankee troll to return?



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:52 PM

Trying to get a sense of just how good the 2014 Yankees will be. They made a bunch of high profile moves with Ellsbury, Beltran, Roberts, and now Tanaka joining the team.

 

But they still have an even older Jeter and a big question mark at 3rd. Texeria could bounce back but I don't see how Roberts replaces the power and production of Cano. What other moves have I missed?

 

Are the Yanks dramatically better on paper?

 

Discuss!

 

- They still need one more starting pitcher to replace the losses of Phil Hughes and Andy Pettite

 

- They need CC Sabathia to return to his pre-2010 self

 

- They need a healthy Mark Teixera

 

- They need an everyday Thirdbaseman or atleast a good 3rd base platoon 

 

Lots of holes. Lots of upside with the new additions. 

 

I think they've improved overall from last season but not by much if Teixera doesn't get healthy again and Sabathia doesn't return to form...


Edited by soulflower, 22 January 2014 - 02:54 PM.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:33 PM

Yeah, like that fearsome rotation the Sox had last year. The Yanks have plenty to win it all. They won 85 games last year.

so did the O's.

 

CC isn't going to magically return to 2009, #1 ace status. he's an over the hill pitcher who broke down even after losing weight and being given he "comeback player of the year" title last spring. he didn't live up to it. Kuroda carried the team last year. and in many stats, it was a career year for him. are you expecting him to have marked improvement at the age of 39? 

 

their infield looks more like a busload of Sr. citizens, being shuttled to an Atlantic City casino, than a competitive baseball team. your 1Bman said it still hurts to swing at balls off the tee. wait until someone starts throwing soft toss to him, let alone breaking balls in the low 90's. and the Capt is 40 yrs old and returning from a major injury that kept him on the shelf for ~2013. 

 

your bench consists of names like Romine and Nunez who are waiting to wings to play average defense and bat in the low .200's when called on to fill in. and they will need to fill in. or has your opinion of B-Robs durability changed now that he's in pinstripes?  


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#9 HAIL2BNG

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:35 PM

- They still need one more starting pitcher to replace the losses of Phil Hughes and Andy Pettite

 

- They need CC Sabathia to return to his pre-2010 self

 

- They need a healthy Mark Teixera

 

- They need an everyday Thirdbaseman or atleast a good 3rd base platoon 

 

Lots of holes. Lots of upside with the new additions. 

 

I think they've improved overall from last season but not by much if Teixera doesn't get healthy again and Sabathia doesn't return to form...

 

Tanaka is replacing Pettitte and anyone can replace Hughes. His WAR is 1.3,

 

The rest I agree with.


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#10 HAIL2BNG

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:46 PM

so did the O's.

 

CC isn't going to magically return to 2009, #1 ace status. he's an over the hill pitcher who broke down even after losing weight and being given he "comeback player of the year" title last spring. he didn't live up to it. Kuroda carried the team last year. and in many stats, it was a career year for him. are you expecting him to have marked improvement at the age of 39? 

 

their infield looks more like a busload of Sr. citizens, being shuttled to an Atlantic City casino, than a competitive baseball team. your 1Bman said it still hurts to swing at balls off the tee. wait until someone starts throwing soft toss to him, let alone breaking balls in the low 90's. and the Capt is 40 yrs old and returning from a major injury that kept him on the shelf for ~2013. 

 

your bench consists of names like Romine and Nunez who are waiting to wings to play average defense and bat in the low .200's when called on to fill in. and they will need to fill in. or has your opinion of B-Robs durability changed now that he's in pinstripes?  

 

Ah, the annual "they're too old and they're done" routine. They had a ridiculous number of injuries last year regardless of their age. That can't happen again. The line up top to bottom has improved and so has the rotation. The lineup of:

Ellsbury CF

Jeter SS

Beltran RF

Teixeira 1B

McCann C

Soriano DH

Johnson 3B

Roberts 2B

Gardner LF

is better than about any they had last year. The bench also consists of Suzuki and Wells.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:59 PM

Boring. The AL East will be the same as it ever was: Yanks and Sox at close to 95 wins apiece, the Rays at 90ish, the Jays at 83ish, and the O's around 66.

Same old story as the last 2 decades with a hiccup in 2012 and 2013, and same as it ever will be in the next 2 decades.
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Posted 22 January 2014 - 04:01 PM

Ah, the annual "they're too old and they're done" routine. They had a ridiculous number of injuries last year regardless of their age. That can't happen again. The line up top to bottom has improved and so has the rotation. The lineup of:

Ellsbury CF

Jeter SS

Beltran RF

Teixeira 1B

McCann C

Soriano DH

Johnson 3B

Roberts 2B

Gardner LF

is better than about any they had last year. The bench also consists of Suzuki and Wells.

 

i agree that they'll be better offensively than last year when the only dangerous hitter was Cano. 

 

On defense, probably the worst infield in baseball. 


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 04:34 PM

Ah, the annual "they're too old and they're done" routine. They had a ridiculous number of injuries last year regardless of their age. That can't happen again. The line up top to bottom has improved and so has the rotation. The lineup of:

Ellsbury CF

Jeter SS

Beltran RF

Teixeira 1B

McCann C

Soriano DH

Johnson 3B

Roberts 2B

Gardner LF

is better than about any they had last year. The bench also consists of Suzuki and Wells.

all my points are valid.

 

you have them winning the WS, and with "plenty" to spare no less. that's a very moon-esque prediction. 

 

Ichiro is an OFer, the OF is the only solid aspect of NY. baring an injury, his contributions will be limited to late inning PH duties for lefty-righty match ups. and Wells was released.     


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:12 PM

So real O's fans would be upset if Tanaka signed with Baltimore?

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:12 PM

Whatever the Oriole strategy has been to be a winning organization, it has not been successful. Time to try something new?

Edited by larsanderson, 22 January 2014 - 06:21 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:14 PM

What's up with Pineda for 2014? Is he good to go?

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:23 PM

What's up with Pineda for 2014? Is he good to go?

from what I've heard, he's ready to go and is penciled in as a starter.  


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:49 PM

So then the rotation is Sabathia, Tanaka, Kuroda, Pineda, and Nova. Why are people saying they need more starters?

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 07:12 PM

So then the rotation is Sabathia, Tanaka, Kuroda, Pineda, and Nova. Why are people saying they need more starters?

most people were saying that before they added Tanaka. however, Pineda only has 1 year under his belt, and he hasn't pitched in mlb for 2 seasons. so he's not a sure thing. and Nova doesn't strike fear into the hearts of mlb batters.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 07:42 PM

most people were saying that before they added Tanaka. however, Pineda only has 1 year under his belt, and he hasn't pitched in mlb for 2 seasons. so he's not a sure thing. and Nova doesn't strike fear into the hearts of mlb batters.


Nova dominated the O's last year over 3 starts, when he's on he's on.

They should sign Garza, fits the pattern.




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