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Mike Preston is WRONG, Episode II

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Wow.

 

Just, wow.

 

(This is the sober, coherent, logical version of Dillonroche's "Instant. Classic." rant on the same topic. #nohate)

 

Preston is such a self-important, envious tool who wants to be considered in the course of Raven events, that he will take pure conjecture and forcefeed it as fact.  Granted, his is a column, which is built however flimsily on a premise of opinion-editorial format; yet making such huge leaps with such egregious claims actually merits reprimand from the Sun editorial staff.

 

Kevin Byrne of Ravens.com summarily destroyed Preston's wayward claims with a play-by-play, factual recount of how things went down with Kubiak and Harbaugh.

 

--Harbaugh was not told by Ozzie or Bisciotti that he had to hire Kubiak.

--Harbaugh's job or freedom of hiring coaches is not on the line, after ONE 8-8 season.  The man has never had a losing season as a coach.

--Harbaugh was the catalyst of bringing in Kubiak.

--The only reason Kubiak was not brought in sooner was that he was not considering coordinator positions.

--There was yet another 11th hour candidate, from the NFC, who showed interest but was disallowed by his team to intreview.  My guess is Callahan from Dallas.

--To say Harbaugh was uncomfortable in the press conference is to view things through your own tinted glasses.  He looked cool and content--in fact, he looked like he had just sealed the deal of the decade.

 

I've often wondered why Preston has such odds with important people in the Ravens organization.  He hated Ray Lewis. He hates Flacco.  He now seems to hate Harbaugh.  

 

Is it because of his own failed career as a football coach?  Because, as I see it, if one is going to speak as if one knows 100% what the answer is to certain dilemmas, frequently, then that person should be making his primary living solving those problems firsthand.  Since he knows so much, he should be a coach.  Why is he not?  Is it because he is not good enough?   Hmmm.....

 

I'm sure he grades out as Oppositional Defiant in the personality spectrum--he thrives on disagreeing and being a dissenting voice.

 

There's something called burning your bridges, sir.

 

Consider putting aside the fuel and matches, because what's left is NOTHING.

 

 

Did Jamieson Hensley ever do stuff like this?  Aaaaand, that's why he is now working for the dot com (ESPN).

 

Learn from him.

 

 

BRAVEN

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You DO understand that THAT'S WHAT BYRNE GETS PAID TO DO, RIGHT, Chris?

 

That's his job. PR. Spin. Damage control.

 

This is a huge issue that's gone totally viral. And since none of us was there, none of us knows the truth. But to simply assume that what Byrne is now saying is the truth is naive, IMO. It could be the truth. It could be partially the truth. It could be pure spin. The thing I don't quite get is how the Sun can get away with a total fabrication by Preston and not have to print some sort of retraction IF, in fact, it's a total fabrication. Even factoring in the columnist/reporter/journalist differences, there would have to be SOME accountability for a columnist just totally going off, if in fact that's what happened.

 

All I'm saying is Byrne gets PAID to do damage control. And there was a LOT of damage done by Preston's report. So what's the real bottom line here? The truth is...we don't really know. At least not yet. But now that Byrne has fired off his salvo, it'll be interesting to see what happens next.

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I have heard locals like Vinny Cerrato and national writers talk about the exact same things as Preston has done. I trust the PR guy from the Ravens about as much as I would trust any media person, with a very jaded eye.

 

Aaron Wilson, Jamison Hensley and Adam Schefter all indicated as late as this past weekend that they expected Hostler would get the job, Then all of a sudden it's Kubiak and Hostler could now be out the door. The truth always lies somewhere in between. But based on what we know and what others in media besides Preston have said I tend to believe Preston's version more than the Ravens PR machine in this case.

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I have heard locals like Vinny Cerrato and national writers talk about the exact same things as Preston has done. I trust the PR guy from the Ravens about as much as I would trust any media person, with a very jaded eye.

 

Aaron Wilson, Jamison Hensley and Adam Schefter all indicated as late as this past weekend that they expected Hostler would get the job, Then all of a sudden it's Kubiak and Hostler could now be out the door. The truth always lies somewhere in between. But based on what we know and what others in media besides Preston have said I tend to believe Preston's version more than the Ravens PR machine in this case.

That's my take, Andy. But the Byrne piece was certainly convincing. Then again...that's what he gets paid to do. And he's very good at what he does. I'm still holding out for the Sun to print a retraction, or for Preston to fire off the next round. At least THAT part of the Ravens offense is interesting. The sad thing is...the REAL work is actually FIXING the damn thing, not trying to figure out who actually hired the new OC.

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As an auxiliary point...

 

THIS is exactly why, in the past, I've been highly critical of Preston. And why I've railed against people who insisted that "it's his job to create controversy". There are consequences to his opinionated columns, and this is the perfect example. And with consequences there needs to be some system of accountability. NOT everything can simply be brushed under the carpet labeled: "COLUMNIST". That just doesn't fly. So whatever happens from here on out, I doubt the relationship between Preston and the Ravens will ever be the same.

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there is nothing there for the sunpapers owners to confirm re: harbaughs relationship with ravens bosses . preston is gonna get busted . he has alienated die hard fans time and time again , and repeatedly displays as much love of the game ,  knowledge , and respect for our GREAT TEAM , as a redskins or steelers fan !!!! his bosses will see eventually that if the people inside the training compound don't trust prestons integrity as a reporter then they will avoid sharing with him , and those of us who rely on our sportswriters to give us accurate and exciting reports will not be served by fat mouthed ding-dongs like preston . FIRE PRESTON NOW !!!

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I was thinking more along the lines of an apology/retraction. But hey...to each his own.

 

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 But based on what we know and what others in media besides Preston have said I tend to believe Preston's version more than the Ravens PR machine in this case.

Yep and the best way to keep your PR job is to lie about your boss' actions. Great plan <_<

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Yep and the best way to keep your PR job is to lie about your boss' actions. Great plan <_<

Uhm...I don't know how they do things on the planet where YOU'RE from...but see...here on EARTH...about 99% of PR IS lying about the boss' actions...especially when the boss' actions have caused a major meltdown.

 

:rolleyes:

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Preston wasn't the only one reporting this story. Virtually immediately, others in the media were saying that they understood that the Kubiak pick came from ownership or Ozzie Newsome and against Harbaugh's choice. I'm not sure that Preston had even spoken when others were putting out this story. He may have; I'm not sure of the timeline. It is possible that Preston piggybacked his story on a story that was already out there. The others I think put out their stories verbally, on the radio, not in writing.

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Preston wasn't the only one reporting this story. Virtually immediately, others in the media were saying that they understood that the Kubiak pick came from ownership or Ozzie Newsome and against Harbaugh's choice. I'm not sure that Preston had even spoken when others were putting out this story. He may have; I'm not sure of the timeline. It is possible that Preston piggybacked his story on a story that was already out there. The others I think put out their stories verbally, on the radio, not in writing.

I thought it was the other way around, at least on the PFT.com site -- they definitely piggybacked on Preston. But in terms of what was being said on the radio shows, it's my understanding that this IS something that's "known" beyond just Mike Preston, and it's NOT something he just "made up out of thin air". (Except, of course, on Planet "bmore_ken". They do things differently there.)

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lf true, then it just reinforces the disgusting bias reporting we have today. They will present as FACT when in truth, the don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about. If Prestion originated the garbage, he should be fired iimmediately. But, we all know that won't happen don't we.

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lf true, then it just reinforces the disgusting bias reporting we have today. They will present as FACT when in truth, the don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about. If Prestion originated the garbage, he should be fired iimmediately. But, we all know that won't happen don't we.

I don't think it went down that way, TC.

 

Let's take a hypothetical, okay? Let's say...the owner wanted to break a story that was highly controversial, regarding his head coach in whom he's lost confidence. But he wasn't quite ready to can said HC. He lets Preston know that the search for the new OC has taken a major turn because the HC can't get it done the right way on his own. So he lets Preston know what's really going on, and then Preston runs with it. Problem solved.

 

(And brother...don't think it's just purely "hypothetical".)

 

Now I'm no fan of Preston, mainly because I think he is lazy (i.e. doesn't bother to check things out first) and uses his position as a columnist to launch personal vendettas. Still, in this instance, there's definitely something going on. He's not the only one who is aware of the issues between Harbaugh and the FO; he's just the one who blew the lid off of it. And while it makes sense for Byrne to throw up some sort of smoke screen, the handwriting IS clearly on the wall on this one. This is no accident. And you won't see any retraction. Or punishment for Preston. Because this time...he nailed it. He REALLY REALLY nailed it.

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lf true, then it just reinforces the disgusting bias reporting we have today. They will present as FACT when in truth, the don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about. If Prestion originated the garbage, he should be fired iimmediately. But, we all know that won't happen don't we.

if it is indeed garbage. it may be, but it's too early to say for sure that it is/isn't.

 

Preston is a hater, there's no doubt about that. 

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I don't think it went down that way, TC.

 

Let's take a hypothetical, okay? Let's say...the owner wanted to break a story that was highly controversial, regarding his head coach in whom he's lost confidence. But he wasn't quite ready to can said HC. He lets Preston know that the search for the new OC has taken a major turn because the HC can't get it done the right way on his own. So he lets Preston know what's really going on, and then Preston runs with it. Problem solved.

 

(And brother...don't think it's just purely "hypothetical".)

 

Now I'm no fan of Preston, mainly because I think he is lazy (i.e. doesn't bother to check things out first) and uses his position as a columnist to launch personal vendettas. Still, in this instance, there's definitely something going on. He's not the only one who is aware of the issues between Harbaugh and the FO; he's just the one who blew the lid off of it. And while it makes sense for Byrne to throw up some sort of smoke screen, the handwriting IS clearly on the wall on this one. This is no accident. And you won't see any retraction. Or punishment for Preston. Because this time...he nailed it. He REALLY REALLY nailed it.

 

If you are correct, then why wasn't Castillo shown the door? If this is what really, really happened, then I find it hard to believe that our outstanding "run coordinatior" would still be here. After all, I would think Ozzie and Steve would simply overrule Harbaugh and send Castillo packing. Instead, he was promoted.

 

I am more inclined to believe Byrne on this one; he's in the building. Preston is not.

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Here is the link to Kevin Byrne's blog on the Ravens' web site re: Harbaugh's central role in hiring Gary Kubiak. If anyone chooses to believe that it is all BS, there's nothing I can say to change their mind.

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The truth it's possible we'll never know, let's just be glad Kubiak was hired regardless of who's idea it was

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The truth it's possible we'll never know, let's just be glad Kubiak was hired regardless of who's idea it was

 

You're probably right but I would think now that Mr. Preston has been called out as a liar,  I don't know how he can honestly avoid a response. Should be interesting.

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If you are correct, then why wasn't Castillo shown the door? If this is what really, really happened, then I find it hard to believe that our outstanding "run coordinatior" would still be here. After all, I would think Ozzie and Steve would simply overrule Harbaugh and send Castillo packing. Instead, he was promoted.

 

I am more inclined to believe Byrne on this one; he's in the building. Preston is not.

The whole Castillo thing is definitely the biggest mystery here. I'm not sure the final chapter has been written in the Juan Castillo story. His ZBS is inside ZBS (which is why the players didn't automatically hit the ground running with it) and Kubiak's is the stretch/outside ZBS similar to what the Ravens were running before Castillo arrived on the scene. So it would mean that they'd have to re-train Castillo on a different type of ZBS -- one with which he's not as familiar or comfortable as the one he's used to running. The whole thing is a mind twister. And I think once the dust has settled, we'll see a different configuration when it comes to Juan Castillo, especially since both Kubiak AND Dennison are adherents of the stretch/outside ZBS scheme. THAT'S what was used in Denver, and THAT'S what was used in Houston. Quite effectively, I might add.

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Here is the link to Kevin Byrne's blog on the Ravens' web site re: Harbaugh's central role in hiring Gary Kubiak. If anyone chooses to believe that it is all BS, there's nothing I can say to change their mind.

And vice versa.

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Let's suppose you are correct and Preston nailed it. That being the case, then Preston has an "inside track" with the owner and runs the story. What does Steve Bisciotti have to gain by stabbing his coach in the back? Surely Harbaugh knows how it all transpired and then wakes up and sees Preston's article. If you're the coach, what would you think about that? How would you feel? Your owner is going behind your back and clearly can't be trusted.

 

We disagree on this one. Preston is a hack and he has proven it this time. He's been outed as a liar and if he doesn't respond, then we know that Byrne is right.

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Let's suppose you are correct and Preston nailed it. That being the case, then Preston has an "inside track" with the owner and runs the story. What does Steve Bisciotti have to gain by stabbing his coach in the back? Surely Harbaugh knows how it all transpired and then wakes up and sees Preston's article. If you're the coach, what would you think about that? How would you feel? Your owner is going behind your back and clearly can't be trusted.

 

We disagree on this one. Preston is a hack and he has proven it this time. He's been outed as a liar and if he doesn't respond, then we know that Byrne is right.

Simple. Bisciotti is at an in between stage right now with Harbaugh. He's not ready to can him; but he's not ready to let him keep running the ship aground either. He waited out Harbaugh on the OC selection. He saw it was headed for Hostler, which, IIRC, we BOTH believed would be a huge mistake. Then VOILA! Out of the darkness emerges Kubiak, the non-existent choice who suddenly becomes available after Pettine grabbed the last HC spot, and he becomes the Ravens OC, and Hostler, the former front runner favorite, is conceivably OUT OF A JOB/TBD. See what went down, man? Amazing.

 

So this way, Bisciotti gets to have his cake and eat it too. He has Harbaugh propped up as the HC, but he's taken away a lot of control FROM Harbaugh, and he's managed to knock him down a peg or two, while preventing a huge mistake (i.e. Hostler as OC) from being made, all the while quelling the fan base discontent that was getting increasingly tired of Harbaugh ruining the team by constantly hiring/promoting his incompetent buddies. Then, the only thing left was to bring in the cleaner -- Byrne -- to "smooth things over" so they can get on with the business at hand. But it's not the same relationship that it was this time last year. Not by a long shot.

 

Note: This is what happens when you aren't willing/ready to make a clean break. You end up with a mess. And when all is said and done, this might have been the best way to work through this messy position. If he had just canned Harbaugh, things would have been cleaner. But Bisciotti isn't at that stage yet. Next year, maybe. But not this year. So this is what we got.

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I heard this story first on the radio, most probably the Fan. It was by someone in the media, most likely a Sun reporter speaking to a host on the Fan. The story was given in a manner of fact way as if it wasn't a huge deal and it wasn't seriously challenged by the host. It was presented as "sources say" or the "word is that"... It seemed that the suggestion that Harbaugh was over ruled by the front office was very routinely and easily accepted by both the hosts and the public.

 

I didn't hear Preston's comment till Monday morning when his column came out and he too appeared on the Fan with Steve Davis and Ed Norris. Davis challenged (very very softly) Preston on how he knew his assertions to be true. Preston replied that he knew what he knew to be true, didn't give any sources or anything else to substantiate his claim and that was that. You will notice that in the Preston column, he stated that "the suspicion here is that"... I really don't know the timeline of the offensive coach search or the stories that came out after it.

 

I did hear a statement from Harbaugh "bragging  about how they had kept the media from really knowing what was going on during the search. Which of course was typical Harbaugh. He loves to try to put down and intimidate the media. I didn't see him often picking on players or coaches though, his own or others. Dannell Ellerbe would be an exception. Something tells me he didn't pick on Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Suggs, Bernard Pollard, or Anquan Boldin. 

 

You may have also noticed that the Mighty Mighty coach did come in last in a player poll of their favorite coaches.

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I heard this story first on the radio, most probably the Fan. It was by someone in the media, most likely a Sun reporter speaking to a host on the Fan. The story was given in a manner of fact way as if it wasn't a huge deal and it wasn't seriously challenged by the host. It was presented as "sources say" or the "word is that"... It seemed that the suggestion that Harbaugh was over ruled by the front office was very routinely and easily accepted by both the hosts and the public.

 

I didn't hear Preston's comment till Monday morning when his column came out and he too appeared on the Fan with Steve Davis and Ed Norris. Davis challenged (very very softly) Preston on how he knew his assertions to be true. Preston replied that he knew what he knew to be true, didn't give any sources or anything else to substantiate his claim and that was that. You will notice that in the Preston column, he stated that "the suspicion here is that"... I really don't know the timeline of the offensive coach search or the stories that came out after it.

 

I did hear a statement from Harbaugh "bragging  about how they had kept the media from really knowing what was going on during the search. Which of course was typical Harbaugh. He loves to try to put down and intimidate the media. I didn't see him often picking on players or coaches though, his own or others. Dannell Ellerbe would be an exception. Something tells me he didn't pick on Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Suggs, Bernard Pollard, or Anquan Boldin. 

 

You may have also noticed that the Mighty Mighty coach did come in last in a player poll of their favorite coaches.

 

But why wouldn't Bisciotti have told Harbaugh in the very beginning that his choice of hostler wasn't going to happen?

 

Does Byrne also go by the name of Harvey Keitel?

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The funny thing about Castillo is that way back in the season when the Castillo - zone blocking - offensive line - running game fiasco first came to light; it was reported that Castillo had been relegated to the background and had little or no input on the team. Then all of a sudden we hear that he is not going to be released and then in fact that he will be brought back. Crazy

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