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And if Flacco had played Peyton's game today..........

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I have to wonder what the reaction in Baltimore would have been today if it were the Ravens playing Seattle, and Joe had put in the performance that Peyton has today? Would we be hearing the comparisons to Brady and Manning...along with calls to 'dump the bum'? Would there be the play by play critiques of everything Flacco did, including how he sat on the bench, and the expressions on his face. Would there be endless recriminations about how pitiful he is, and has no place among the top 20 NFL QB's...if even that good? Well, today this IS Peyton Manning......and this is what he is laying down when the legacy is on the line....to prove to the world he is not a 'choker'...... Think we will be hearing fans in Denver saying they should throw this clown overboard? ....... Sometimes there's more to a situation than just the QB and whether he is 'great or terrible'.....often it's somewhere in the middle. I always look at the supporting cast, and also the coaches. Your team can make you look like a bum.....or a star..... Of course, I realize Joe is not Peyton, or Tom...but still....sometimes many of us miss the 'middle ground'. It's not all black or white. Just a thought.......

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We'd never hear the end of it.

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I heard Aikman say: "Manning is much better when the line gives him time to throw".

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I have to wonder what the reaction in Baltimore would have been today if it were the Ravens playing Seattle, and Joe had put in the performance that Peyton has today? Would we be hearing the comparisons to Brady and Manning...along with calls to 'dump the bum'? Would there be the play by play critiques of everything Flacco did, including how he sat on the bench, and the expressions on his face. Would there be endless recriminations about how pitiful he is, and has no place among the top 20 NFL QB's...if even that good? Well, today this IS Peyton Manning......and this is what he is laying down when the legacy is on the line....to prove to the world he is not a 'choker'...... Think we will be hearing fans in Denver saying they should throw this clown overboard? ....... Sometimes there's more to a situation than just the QB and whether he is 'great or terrible'.....often it's somewhere in the middle. I always look at the supporting cast, and also the coaches. Your team can make you look like a bum.....or a star..... Of course, I realize Joe is not Peyton, or Tom...but still....sometimes many of us miss the 'middle ground'. It's not all black or white. Just a thought.......

Go to the archives and look...Flacco turned in a games as bad in Seattle two years ago.

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People always need a reminder that football is very much a team game... the Seahawks turned this in to a blow-out with big plays by all three aspects of their team.

 

Defensively they're not worried about Peyton beating them downfield, jumping all over the short quick stuff Peyton lives on, AND getting pressure on the edges consistently all night.  He's not comfortable enough to look for broken coverages 2 or 3 seconds downfield... he's looking to unload quickly on almost every play.  And they're tackling at the spot of the catch very, very well.

 

I've pointed this out many times before, but so much of Peyton's yardage with the Broncos has come with short quick throws and guys like Decker, Thomas, Thomas, etc. making big plays after they get the ball in their hands.  The Seahawks haven't allowed really ANY of that tonight.  Peyton's COMP / ATT numbers are fine.  Great even.  But there's NOTHING positive happening after the completion. 

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You Baltimorons would be calling for Harbaugh's head and Flacco to be traded.  Manning all season had no defense stick their wr's at the los and this caused his disruption of routes. In all fairness he was terrible

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You Baltimorons would be calling for Harbaugh's head and Flacco to be traded.  Manning all season had no defense stick their wr's at the los and this caused his disruption of routes. In all fairness he was terrible

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You Baltimorons would be calling for Harbaugh's head and Flacco to be traded.  Manning all season had no defense stick their wr's at the los and this caused his disruption of routes. In all fairness he was terrible

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Seattle was simply better and more intense tonight.  If that had been Flacco and the Ravens it probably would have been the Superbowls first shut out.   If the NFL's best offense could get schooled that bad, imagine what a mediocre offense would have done. 

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Seattle was simply better and more intense tonight.  If that had been Flacco and the Ravens it probably would have been the Superbowls first shut out.   If the NFL's best offense could get schooled that bad, imagine what a mediocre offense would have done.

 

 

Well, you can't get too much worse than 8 points! I still say that if Flacco had performed exactly as Peyton did last night, we would hear nothing but diatribes and demeaning criticism for the next few years. Peyton gets to have excuses. With Joe...it's always all him when anything goes wrong. When he puts the team on his back and runs through the playoffs and wins a Super Bowl in great fashion.....everybody blows it off in a few weeks. Of course I am just describing the entrenched Flacco haters. He does have his flaws....but he is nowhere as bad as the haters make him out to be. And on the other hand...Peyton gets the afterglow of his reputation and on field coaching prowess to elude criticism whenever HE blows games or has poor performances. How many Super Bowls has Peyton won.......I forget? Must be a whole bunch, huh? I mean Joe couldn't carry his bags, right? Was it six???.......... Hmmmm....

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I have to wonder what the reaction in Baltimore would have been today if it were the Ravens playing Seattle, and Joe had put in the performance that Peyton has today? Would we be hearing the comparisons to Brady and Manning...along with calls to 'dump the bum'? Would there be the play by play critiques of everything Flacco did, including how he sat on the bench, and the expressions on his face. Would there be endless recriminations about how pitiful he is, and has no place among the top 20 NFL QB's...if even that good? Well, today this IS Peyton Manning......and this is what he is laying down when the legacy is on the line....to prove to the world he is not a 'choker'...... Think we will be hearing fans in Denver saying they should throw this clown overboard? ....... Sometimes there's more to a situation than just the QB and whether he is 'great or terrible'.....often it's somewhere in the middle. I always look at the supporting cast, and also the coaches. Your team can make you look like a bum.....or a star..... Of course, I realize Joe is not Peyton, or Tom...but still....sometimes many of us miss the 'middle ground'. It's not all black or white. Just a thought.......

One segment would be callling for Flacco's head, another segment would be screaming about coaching costing the team (and Flacco) a win, yet another would curse the OL, a fourth would blame the defense for not making any stops, and a few voices would say: Wow!  Seattle's defense was unbelievable; it reminded me of the old Ravens' defenses.

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And HOW many times was Manning sacked? ONE?!!! ONE TIME???! And the announcers are pointing out how "bad" the Denver O-line was?!!! Are you KIDDING ME? And that's exactly why I've felt from day one that the deck has been stacked against Joe. Not ONLY was he the second highest sacked QB in the NFL last year, but the running game was among the worst, the TEs were among the worst, and the receivers were average at best. But with Joe, it's always HIS fault.

 

(And when I heard some announcer talk about how Wilson worked with one of his WRs in the offseason leading up to the regular season, all I could hear in my head were all those dumbazz posters talking about how Ozzie would be doing a great job if he could bring in some castoff WR AT THE END OF THE PRESEASON, as if they truly had no effin clue how important it is to get the QB and the WRs ON THE SAME PAGE from the git go, NOT as some sort of afterthought.)

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Well, you can't get too much worse than 8 points! I still say that if Flacco had performed exactly as Peyton did last night, we would hear nothing but diatribes and demeaning criticism for the next few years. Peyton gets to have excuses.

Who's making excuses for Manning?

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And HOW many times was Manning sacked? ONE?!!! ONE TIME???! And the announcers are pointing out how "bad" the Denver O-line was?!!! Are you KIDDING ME? And that's exactly why I've felt from day one that the deck has been stacked against Joe. Not ONLY was he the second highest sacked QB in the NFL last year, but the running game was among the worst, the TEs were among the worst, and the receivers were average at best. But with Joe, it's always HIS fault.

 

(And when I heard some announcer talk about how Wilson worked with one of his WRs in the offseason leading up to the regular season, all I could hear in my head was all those dumbazz posters talking about how Ozzie would be doing a great job if he could bring in some castoff WR AT THE END OF THE PRESEASON, as if they truly had no effin clue how important it is to get the QB and the WRs ON THE SAME PAGE from the git go, NOT as some sort of afterthought.)

 

 

 

Exactly!!!

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Who's making excuses for Manning?

LOL. How typical. Who's making excuses? Those who are saying it wasn't Manning who lost the game because it's a TEAM sport. That's who.

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LOL. How typical. Who's making excuses? Those who are saying it wasn't Manning who lost the game because it's a TEAM sport. That's who.

Who said that?

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Now, the article is correct... Peyton didn't get beat off the snap on the edges consistently... Peyton didn't snap the ball too early... Peyton didn't fumble away a long gain deep in to Seahawks territory and kill a drive... etc...

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000323177/article/orlando-franklin-dont-pin-loss-on-peyton-manning

 

But I don't think it's pure imagination to say that you PROBABLY don't see these same stories run if Flacco was the QB.  Some of that comes with the love and adoration Peyton gets after being SO good for SO long, but it still doesn't make it "fair and balanced".  :)

 

Football is a game of matchups, and the Broncos strengths didn't match up well against the Seahawks strengths.  Throw in a handful of individual mistakes on Denver's side, and a few great individual plays on the Seahawks side, and you have the blow-out we saw.  The Seahawks defend the pass very well and are physical in the defensive backfield.  The Broncos got away from the run pretty much altogether, and couldn't threaten the secondary downfield. 

 

The Ravens as currently constructed (with ZERO run game to balance the attack) would have likely gotten blasted too.  But something tells me the headlines there wouldn't have paid much attention to the bad O-line and non-existent run game... it would have been about the QB and nothing else.

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Now, the article is correct... Peyton didn't get beat off the snap on the edges consistently... Peyton didn't snap the ball too early... Peyton didn't fumble away a long gain deep in to Seahawks territory and kill a drive... etc...

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000323177/article/orlando-franklin-dont-pin-loss-on-peyton-manning

 

But I don't think it's pure imagination to say that you PROBABLY don't see these same stories run if Flacco was the QB.  Some of that comes with the love and adoration Peyton gets after being SO good for SO long, but it still doesn't make it "fair and balanced".  :)

 

Football is a game of matchups, and the Broncos strengths didn't match up well against the Seahawks strengths.  Throw in a handful of individual mistakes on Denver's side, and a few great individual plays on the Seahawks side, and you have the blow-out we saw.  The Seahawks defend the pass very well and are physical in the defensive backfield.  The Broncos got away from the run pretty much altogether, and couldn't threaten the secondary downfield. 

 

The Ravens as currently constructed (with ZERO run game to balance the attack) would have likely gotten blasted too.  But something tells me the headlines there wouldn't have paid much attention to the bad O-line and non-existent run game... it would have been about the QB and nothing else.

And I've already read that one of the ints wasn't Manning's fault, it was Thomas's fault, and the coaches sat him down immediately afterwards and showed him what HE did wrong. And the announcers during the game itself were talking about the poor O-line play, despite the fact that Manning was only sacked once. And I've read/heard about how poor John Fox and Jack Del Rio were as coaches, etc. And to date I haven't seen ONE THING SAID about HOW MUCH MONEY MANNING WAS PAID, yet EVERY article about Joe mentions his salary, and how that prevents the team from signing other players, etc.

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Exactly

Exactly another example of just how far off in left field you are. And this has been going on for years now. If there's some off the wall angle, you can be sure you'll be right there.

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You guys are ridiculous. Your love for Flacco is way overboard and a little weird. For you to say you would pick Flacco over any other qb in the league is insane. I could understand if you said something like your wife is the most beautiful woman in the world but we are talking about a qb. Flacco is getting paid the same as the best qbs in the league. Does that mean I should expect him to perform like one? You are damn right it does. I expect more out of him than what he did last year. You want to talk about coaching? Caldwell sure called some great games in the playoffs last year didn't he? He certainly wasn't clueless in the playoffs last year. Oh, what's that? Flacco won in spite of Caldwell? Then why didn't he win this year in spite of Caldwell? We have some really bad contracts out there right now, including Flaccos contract. Ngata, Suggs, Rice and FlaCco are all way overpaid. Rice might be an exception but I tend to believe he may be on the decline. Anyway, this thread is silly. If flacco did that, everyone would be so angry but becaUse it's manning....it's just not fair. Boo hoo.

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What more does anyone need to prove the point of this thread than the above post?

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You rush Peyton Manning and he's done it's as simple as that. We knew that going in. It was the easiest call ever, except for Floyd Mayweather.

 

Joe can stand up to a rush and he can take a beating which obviously Manning cannot. Manning would have been severely injured if took the beating Joe did this year. But then again he's old too, beyond his years. 

 

Joe can't get rid of the ball and he can't hustle or work quick either. He could stand up the beating of the Seattle rush, but he could not bet them. No way.

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Games are won and lost in the trenches. Peyton may have only been sacked once, but he was getting hit alot.And that affected him.

 

When Joe outplayed Brady we were getting constant pressure on Brady and moving him off his spot.

 

This year, Joe was flat out battered around in every game. I'm surprised he got as far into the season as he did before he got hurt given the beating he took. 

 

Any QB will struggle under those conditions. When the run game is stopped and there is constant pressure on the QB, none of them weill play well. Especially when good teams like Seattle also hit the WRs off the snap.

 

It ain't rocket science. Yet some on here will constantly criticize Joe. Given he had virtually no supporting cast, expecting him to have a great season was ridiculous. Joe had his share of mistakes, he accuracy was spotty this year. But given what was going on around him and the predictable play calling, it shouldn't have been a surprise he struggled.

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