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#1 Far from home

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 10:17 AM

Definitely not a fan of this signing, but it does make the lineup probably the longest in baseball. Are they going to play him in the OF? I hope not - Lough is far superior. The only thing I can think is that the O's know this is their year, and that they are probably going to trade Wieters next offseason, so they want to get the most out of this team as it is constructed. At least they are finally being aggressive.
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Posted 22 February 2014 - 10:22 AM

Who? NVM

 

9:11am: Cruz and the Orioles have mostly been discussing the possibility of a one-year deal, ESPN's Jayson Stark tweets.

7:02am: The Orioles are close to a deal with slugger Nelson Cruz, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Heyman adds, "There are still a couple issues to be resolved, according to sources, though a deal looks extremely likely."

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

I don't know about giving up a draft pick on a 1 yr deal. His hitting numbers are decent though


Edited by bmore_ken, 22 February 2014 - 10:24 AM.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 10:27 AM

 

Who? NVM
 
9:11am: Cruz and the Orioles have mostly been discussing the possibility of a one-year deal, ESPN's Jayson Stark tweets.
7:02am: The Orioles are close to a deal with slugger Nelson Cruz, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Heyman adds, "There are still a couple issues to be resolved, according to sources, though a deal looks extremely likely."
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
 
I don't know about giving up a draft pick on a 1 yr deal. His hitting numbers are decent though


ESPN Deportes is reporting that it is a 750K/1 yr deal.
Wow.

edit: it's 8 mil with 750K incentives....

Edited by Far from home, 22 February 2014 - 10:46 AM.

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#4 Navypost

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 10:58 AM

Good deal for former PED player. No need to commit

#5 bmore_ken

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 11:26 AM

I don't like giving up a draft pick for him


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:

#6 Brohan

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 11:49 AM

Great signing! 



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 11:52 AM

Not sure about this one.

 

Doesn't this guy have a ton of baggage, even beyond the PED?



#8 bmore_ken

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 11:55 AM

He's averaged 27 homers the last 5 seasons. He's relatively cheap and it's a one year deal. The only downside I see  is giving up a draft pick on a 1 year deal


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:07 PM

I'll take it. 



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:26 PM

Davis and Cruz were a nice, complementary power combo in Texas.  I expected great things from them but the Rangers gave up on Davis and now Cruz joins Crush via free agency.  Lots of dingers next summer at the Yard.



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:27 PM

He's averaged 27 homers the last 5 seasons. He's relatively cheap and it's a one year deal. The only downside I see  is giving up a draft pick on a 1 year deal

I agree 100%. Maybe the O's figure the cost of the draft pick balances out against the salary. 



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:27 PM

Looks like a better team than last year


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:

#13 bmore_ken

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:29 PM

I agree 100%. Maybe the O's figure the cost of the draft pick balances out against the salary. 

Probably. Especially if they're trying to win now. Overall I like the move


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 01:40 PM

I worry about if we'll see a melky-like dropoff from him.
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Posted 22 February 2014 - 02:57 PM

The draft pick is #55. I wonder how many past #55s are major league players now. My concern is as above - is he the same hitter without the PEDs?



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 03:29 PM

The draft pick is #55. I wonder how many past #55s are major league players now. My concern is as above - is he the same hitter without the PEDs?

 

$8 mil for one season seems worth the risk.

 

I think his age poses more of a risk for his future production than the lack of PEDs... 


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#17 Far from home

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 03:33 PM

 

I agree 100%. Maybe the O's figure the cost of the draft pick balances out against the salary. 


I didn't even think about it that way...wow.
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Posted 22 February 2014 - 03:49 PM

$8 mil for one season seems worth the risk.

I think his age poses more of a risk for his future production than the lack of PEDs...


Hitters tend to be affected by age a little later than pitchers. He's only 33, so I'm unconcerned.
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#19 soulflower

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 03:57 PM

Hitters tend to be affected by age a little later than pitchers. He's only 33, so I'm unconcerned.

 

That's not true for hitters anymore. In the post-PED era, most hitters are peaking around age 26(or earlier) and declining from that point onward. The Angels are learning this lesson the hard way with the Pujols and Hamilton contracts. The Braves appear to be investing in their younger players because the under age-30 years is where teams are getting the most value from baseball players these days.

 

Fangraphs - "Are Aging Curves Changing?"

 

http://www.fangraphs...k-only-decline/

 

With that said, a one year deal for Cruz is a good deal for the Orioles. They're not overpaying him for his decline years...


Edited by soulflower, 22 February 2014 - 04:16 PM.

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#20 weenie

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 04:14 PM

The thing I find curious is Cruz hits right handed.  With Young and Reimold already on board, I suspect the early reports on Nolan are not good.  Otherwise, a more expensive switch hitter might have been preferred.






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