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I thought I'd start this thread so that we can make random comments on ST observations, over the next few weeks.

 

I'll start with the change up. I agree with Palmer, that the change up is a valuable pitch. early tweets from Brit Ghiroli have multiple references to O's pitchers having early success with it. One comment in particular came from Delmon Young. he struck out against Chen, who pulled the string on him with 2 strikes. even better, it sounds like threw him a cut change up. never heard of that one before. after the K, DY was heard commenting that he had no idea what Wei Yin throw him. 

 

hitting always develops faster than pitching, in ST. so it's good to hear about early success with individual pitches.

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I thought I'd start this thread so that we can make random comments on ST observations, over the next few weeks.

 

I'll start with the change up. I agree with Palmer, that the change up is a valuable pitch. early tweets from Brit Ghiroli have multiple references to O's pitchers having early success with it. One comment in particular came from Delmon Young. he struck out against Chen, who pulled the string on him with 2 strikes. even better, it sounds like threw him a cut change up. never heard of that one before. after the K, DY was heard commenting that he had no idea what Wei Yin throw him. 

 

hitting always develops faster than pitching, in ST. so it's good to hear about early success with individual pitches.

Good thread Weird.  Two quick ones,  Pequeros off to fast start. DD and Buck love this kid.  Reimold really on thin ice.  Britton crappy first  outing. Three hits and a walk in two innings . Check please on both Britton and Reimold.  We need to move on. These guys can't get it done.

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Schoop and Weeks are going to give Flaherty a run for his money for everyday 2nd base.

 

I still like Lough as every day left fielder with Cruz, Reimold, and Young fighting it out for dh/fourth outfielder duties.

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Good thread Weird.  Two quick ones,  Pequeros off to fast start. DD and Buck love this kid.  Reimold really on thin ice.  Britton crappy first  outing. Three hits and a walk in two innings . Check please on both Britton and Reimold.  We need to move on. These guys can't get it done.

I may change my mind on Britton if he is throwing as well as Encina says he is.  If he has 93 velocity with that sinker working he could be effective as long man in pen.  I'd rather have Britton than McFarland at this point.  Not so with Reimold.  Peguero keeps impressing Buck and Young is raking the ball.  Pearce looking decent and can play first.  Reimold in early hole that keeps getting deeper. 

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Spring training is still early. Agree that Reimold has to break out or he is gone. To AAA or elsewhere. Ilike young and this guy peguero looks hungry.

 

Fun to watch but I am focusing on pitching.

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I didn't see the two innings from Matusz yesterday, but the 35 pitch count didn't impress me. At that rate he would be done in the fifth inning of a regular season game. This is the same thing out of some of our other home grown arms like Britton and Arrietta.  Never can make it through five innings. Nibble nibble walk.  My nick name for Arrietta last year was "four and two thirds".

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I didn't see the two innings from Matusz yesterday, but the 35 pitch count didn't impress me. At that rate he would be done in the fifth inning of a regular season game. This is the same thing out of some of our other home grown arms like Britton and Arrietta.  Never can make it through five innings. Nibble nibble walk.  My nick name for Arrietta last year was "four and two thirds".

 

From what I understand, "nibble nibble" won't cut it with the O's new pitching coach. He wants his pitchers to throw strikes and let the good defense behind them pick up the pieces.

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From what I understand, "nibble nibble" won't cut it with the O's new pitching coach. He wants his pitchers to throw strikes and let the good defense behind them pick up the pieces.

Good to hear.  If these guys don't trust their stuff to throw strikes, there is bus to Norfolk ready to go.

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I read the Britton article this morning. here's the line that stood out the most for me. it also defines Britton, Matusz and Arietta for me as well.

 

 

 

[brady] Anderson said there was more urgency to Britton's workouts 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-main-0303-20140302,0,7796384.story#ixzz2uudBJNJ6

seriously? this is how long it took him to develop a sense of urgency?

 

this is the problem with these lousy, self-entitled, AA throwers. they all feel like the O's owed it to them. they all leave me with the impression that they believe they're doing this team a great honor, by throwing for them. Matusz has been shown his place, and Jake has been shown the door. Britton must have finally realized that he's not a precious miracle, or a unique snowflake.

 

so what...he'll bust his hump and barely eek out a roster spot (mostly out of the O's fear that hell put it together when he's gone, rather than out of any real success). then he'll congratulate himself on his amazing success, and in no time at all, he'll go back to his usual habits that made him a barely adequate AA thrower. he'll have no value in a trade, he'll be released, and start the next phase of his career...bouncing around various minor league systems for the next 5 years.

 

I have no faith in his success, because he doesn't have the attitude necessary to be a ML pitcher. the comment above tells me all I need to know about Zach. he does the minimal work necessary to get by. 

 

he came up, had early success, the league adjusted to him, and he never felt like it was necessary to put in the effort to adjust back.

 

go ahead Britton, prove me wrong. I extended that offer to Matusz and Jake. how did that turn out?

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Thanks Weird.  If he shows something this spring I would think he would stick at least until Patton gets back.  Sets up an interesting scenario down the road when you have 4 LH relievers (Matusz,Dela Cruz, Britton and patton) and only 2-3 spots available.  You would think DD could find a deal out there.  I couldn't really guess who will  be gone.  I guess if dela cruz stinks it up he could be slipped through waivers.

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I read the Britton article this morning. here's the line that stood out the most for me. it also defines Britton, Matusz and Arietta for me as well.

 

seriously? this is how long it took him to develop a sense of urgency?

 

this is the problem with these lousy, self-entitled, AA throwers. they all feel like the O's owed it to them. they all leave me with the impression that they believe they're doing this team a great honor, by throwing for them. Matusz has been shown his place, and Jake has been shown the door. Britton must have finally realized that he's not a precious miracle, or a unique snowflake.

 

so what...he'll bust his hump and barely eek out a roster spot (mostly out of the O's fear that hell put it together when he's gone, rather than out of any real success). then he'll congratulate himself on his amazing success, and in no time at all, he'll go back to his usual habits that made him a barely adequate AA thrower. he'll have no value in a trade, he'll be released, and start the next phase of his career...bouncing around various minor league systems for the next 5 years.

 

I have no faith in his success, because he doesn't have the attitude necessary to be a ML pitcher. the comment above tells me all I need to know about Zach. he does the minimal work necessary to get by. 

 

he came up, had early success, the league adjusted to him, and he never felt like it was necessary to put in the effort to adjust back.

 

go ahead Britton, prove me wrong. I extended that offer to Matusz and Jake. how did that turn out?

Can't disagree.  He is out of options so now he decides it's time to remove head from rear.  Well isn't that just great.  The Sun has trumpeted this guy all spring and years prior like he has Clayton Kershaw potential. So he has been reading his fluffed up press clippings for sure.  You are dead on here.  He might kick butt in order to grab a LH long relief job this spring, but he won't be happy with that for long.  He thinks his place is at the top end of a rotation somewhere and he will get bored out in the pen.  Trade this guy when you get a decent offer. 

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just saw that Reimold is out with food poisoning.  Check please!

My Sherlockian instinct tells me that Young might be involved in the deed. The motive is there so let the sleuthing begin.

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RH reliever Brock Huntzinger has had 2 strong outings. I'm not familiar with him at all. his stats page shows that he's spent his entire 8 yr pro career in the Boston farm system. it looks like he was a starter for 5 of those years, then they moved him to the pen. it's being reported that there are 3-4 BP spots that are up for grabs. so he's making some early noise that Buck has taken notice of.

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RH reliever Brock Huntzinger has had 2 strong outings. I'm not familiar with him at all. his stats page shows that he's spent his entire 8 yr pro career in the Boston farm system. it looks like he was a starter for 5 of those years, then they moved him to the pen. it's being reported that there are 3-4 BP spots that are up for grabs. so he's making some early noise that Buck has taken notice of.

I heard from a relative high up in the O's front office that the noise that Buck took note of was Brock passing wind. The word is he ate the same rotten food that poisoned Reimold.

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I read the Britton article this morning. here's the line that stood out the most for me. it also defines Britton, Matusz and Arietta for me as well.

 

 

seriously? this is how long it took him to develop a sense of urgency?

 

this is the problem with these lousy, self-entitled, AA throwers. they all feel like the O's owed it to them. they all leave me with the impression that they believe they're doing this team a great honor, by throwing for them. Matusz has been shown his place, and Jake has been shown the door. Britton must have finally realized that he's not a precious miracle, or a unique snowflake.

 

so what...he'll bust his hump and barely eek out a roster spot (mostly out of the O's fear that hell put it together when he's gone, rather than out of any real success). then he'll congratulate himself on his amazing success, and in no time at all, he'll go back to his usual habits that made him a barely adequate AA thrower. he'll have no value in a trade, he'll be released, and start the next phase of his career...bouncing around various minor league systems for the next 5 years.

 

I have no faith in his success, because he doesn't have the attitude necessary to be a ML pitcher. the comment above tells me all I need to know about Zach. he does the minimal work necessary to get by. 

 

he came up, had early success, the league adjusted to him, and he never felt like it was necessary to put in the effort to adjust back.

 

go ahead Britton, prove me wrong. I extended that offer to Matusz and Jake. how did that turn out?

Couldn't agree more. Remember when Matusz came into camp out of shape? This is why the O's can't develop pitching. There's no competition to make them have to work for it. They're lazy because they can be.

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Couldn't agree more. Remember when Matusz came into camp out of shape? This is why the O's can't develop pitching. There's no competition to make them have to work for it. They're lazy because they can be.

exactly. but I think things are changing now. DD brought in some guys who blew right by the entitled Lords of Baltimore's minor league system (Chen & Gonzo). he has prospects who are more promising than the Arrieta clan (Rodriquez, Gausman & Harvey). and most amazing of all, he convinced the owner to pay for a FA pitcher. Britton waited too long to take it seriously.

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exactly. but I think things are changing now. DD brought in some guys who blew right by the entitled Lords of Baltimore's minor league system (Chen & Gonzo). he has prospects who are more promising than the Arrieta clan (Rodriquez, Gausman & Harvey). and most amazing of all, he convinced the owner to pay for a FA pitcher. Britton waited too long to take it seriously.

Agree.  The MacPhail "Grow the Arms" campaign, headlined by Arrietta, Matusz and Britton, was a complete failure.  DD, over time, wiped the slate clean and went another direction.  There is not one pure home-grown pitcher in the rotation this year, even though Tillman cut some of his minors  teeth with us.  I don't think it's a coincidence that we started to win in 2012 when the pitching philosophy changed when DD came on board.

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RH reliever Brock Huntzinger has had 2 strong outings. I'm not familiar with him at all. his stats page shows that he's spent his entire 8 yr pro career in the Boston farm system. it looks like he was a starter for 5 of those years, then they moved him to the pen. it's being reported that there are 3-4 BP spots that are up for grabs. so he's making some early noise that Buck has taken notice of.

I'm impressed so far with the arms DD has brought in to re-build the pen. Huntzinger, Meeks, Webb, Brach and Dela Cruz have all looked good so far. The pen was a little shaky last year when Strop showed up as a head case and JJ didn't have his best stuff for most of the year. More good moves by DD.

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