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#1 OriginalColtsFan

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:22 AM

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:27 AM

 

Kubiak is installing his offensive playbook, which is based heavily on play-action passes, bootlegs and a zone-blocking scheme that emphasizes a mobile offensive line and a devotion to the running game.

 

I always wondered why they didn't run more bootlegs.  Flacco seemed to do well with them.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:44 AM

I always wondered why they didn't run more bootlegs.  Flacco seemed to do well with them.

Because Cameron did things HIS way, whether they played to the strengths of the players or not. And Caldwell's offense was just a regurgitation of Cameron's offense. There was NEVER any deception. It was painfully predictable. The players are even talking now about how this offense is going to be different and more unpredictable. I like the sound of that. A lot.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:55 AM

Because Cameron did things HIS way, whether they played to the strengths of the players or not. And Caldwell's offense was just a regurgitation of Cameron's offense. There was NEVER any deception. It was painfully predictable. The players are even talking now about how this offense is going to be different and more unpredictable. I like the sound of that. A lot.

 

Caldwell is an enigma.  When he took over for Cam, things looked dynamic and exciting during the last couple games and playoff run.  Then he gets a full offseason and things completely regress to a Cameron-like offense.  Mind boggling.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 08:09 AM

Caldwell is an enigma.  When he took over for Cam, things looked dynamic and exciting during the last couple games and playoff run.  Then he gets a full offseason and things completely regress to a Cameron-like offense.  Mind boggling.

Truly mind boggling.

 

And I've read some Texans fans' criticisms of Kubiak (i.e. that he's also stubborn and predictable), but compared to Cameron/Caldwell, it's GOT to be an upgrade.

 

Heck, I don't remember which WR was talking, but he was talking about the difference going to a new team where they put him in motion, vs constantly lining up in the same spot, and what a difference THAT made. Good lord...the Ravens almost ALWAYS lined up in the SAME spots, and ran the SAME plays, over and over and over again. People who don't even follow football could predict what the Ravens offense was going to run, so just imagine what opposing D's could figure out.


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 11 June 2014 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 12:45 PM

That lack of anything even resembling deception or misdirection or unpredictability was just about the most frustrating part of watching the Ravens' offense the last few years (the frequency with which our RBs were tackled in the backfield last season was close, but the vanilla offense contributed to that as well). Suffice to say a fresh start has been overdue. Let's hope it works from the getgo, because the first weeks will be critical.


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:14 PM

That lack of anything even resembling deception or misdirection or unpredictability was just about the most frustrating part of watching the Ravens' offense the last few years (the frequency with which our RBs were tackled in the backfield last season was close, but the vanilla offense contributed to that as well). Suffice to say a fresh start has been overdue. Let's hope it works from the getgo, because the first weeks will be critical.

Agreed.

 

And as we've been saying for months...everything starts with the O-line. And to date, the Ravens don't even have a legitimate RT.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:43 PM

I always wondered why they didn't run more bootlegs.  Flacco seemed to do well with them.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:20 PM

Agreed.

 

And as we've been saying for months...everything starts with the O-line. And to date, the Ravens don't even have a legitimate RT.

you mean "the Ravens don't... have a legitimate RT" identified. hopefully, one of the RT camp candidates will emerge as a legitimate RT.


Edited by gordon89, 16 June 2014 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:29 PM

you mean "the Ravens don't... have a legitimate RT" identified. hopefully, one of the RT camp candidates will emerge as a legitimate RT.

Hope isn't the same as legitimate. Just like last year when I questioned the advisability of using Gradkowski, an unproven entity, as the starting center. All I heard was a bunch of "THE COACHES KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY SEE THESE GUYS EVERY DAY, YOU DON'T".

 

(And we all know how THAT turned out, don't we? So NO...at this point...the Ravens DO NOT have a legitimate RT to speak of.)

 

(But at least the Ravens have Steve Smith, a legitimate WR, who, BTW, is WAY better than that Boldin dude.)

 

:o


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 16 June 2014 - 04:32 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:00 AM

I always wondered why they didn't run more bootlegs.  Flacco seemed to do well with them.

 

It made me wonder.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 08:50 PM

I don't expect a big change in terms of the offense being "dynamic" this year. If we can get the run game going and protect the football (stop chucking it all over the place) and play good defense, we will be fine. That is who we are as a team and that is what we have the personnel to run. This ain't the New orleans Saints offense - never will be. I don't care who the OC is. We can win with a low risk ball control offense taking the occasional chunk plays when they are there for the taking. we may complain, but it works. We've seen it work. The offense is not going to change a lot in terms of us being wowed - like all of the sudden we are the Rams Greatest Show on Turf. We don't have the horses to run that type of offense. 

 

So, my hope is that we can return to a conservative/opportunistic offense that can sustain some drives, allow the defense to rest and, yes. make some big plays here and there when the opportunity arises. That is what we can do. 



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 05:00 AM

Agreed.

 

And as we've been saying for months...everything starts with the O-line. And to date, the Ravens don't even have a legitimate RT.

The offense on this team has always been a puzzle. Didn't Harbaugh say two years ago he was going to get more involved in the offense? Maybe this year huh?


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 06:52 AM

The offense on this team has always been a puzzle. Didn't Harbaugh say two years ago he was going to get more involved in the offense? Maybe this year huh?

Or maybe he DID get more involved and it just made things worse.



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:55 AM

Or maybe he DID get more involved and it just made things worse.

That's a good point. Juan Castillo might be one of Harbaugh's contributions. I believe Harbaugh has many good talents and skills as a coach, but I don't know that designing an offense is one of them, or even holding those who do run the offense accountable for results. I hope I am not being naive, but I am looking for good things from a Kubiak led offense.



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 03:11 PM

That's a good point. Juan Castillo might be one of Harbaugh's contributions. I believe Harbaugh has many good talents and skills as a coach, but I don't know that designing an offense is one of them, or even holding those who do run the offense accountable for results. I hope I am not being naive, but I am looking for good things from a Kubiak led offense.

It honestly could not possibly be any worse. NOW the brilliant sun writers are talking about how predictable the previous schemes were and how things should get better with more deception to the formations, more versatility to the players' roles, etc. Where have they been, what have they been watching, and what have they been reporting for the past 3-4 years?!!!



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 04:57 AM

Or maybe he DID get more involved and it just made things worse.

Good point. If not knowing who is on the field is an indication of his getting more involved, then perhaps you are correct. It is mind boggling how the entire sporting world talked about predictability with respect to the Ravens' offense and yet the coach never "got IT."


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:05 AM

Good point. If not knowing who is on the field is an indication of his getting more involved, then perhaps you are correct. It is mind boggling how the entire sporting world talked about predictability with respect to the Ravens' offense and yet the coach never "got IT."

Not the entire sporting world. The local press almost NEVER criticized the Ravens' offense for it's mindlessly predictable, LOW PERCENTAGE offense. 2 runs for short or no gain and a long pass on 3rd down has a LOW PERCENTAGE of success.


Edited by OriginalColtsFan, 22 July 2014 - 11:06 AM.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:42 PM

One possible rationalization for that "mindlessly predictable" offense (I'm not saying I like it, just that it might explain it) is that the players' level of performance dictated that things be kept as simple as possible. TEs without Pitta for most of the season + RBs with Rice and Pierce injured and out of shape + WRs without Boldin or adequate replacement, + most of all the OL anchored by unmotivated McKinnie, injured Osemele, inexperienced undersized Gradkowski missing Burk, injured Yanda, and underperforming Oher with indeterminate coaching by Castillo (or who?) = not much to work with. I have hopes that every one of those lacks has been more or less addressed going into this season. I am hoping that the coaching changes result in a clear, consistent strategy that everyone can get behind and execute with some passion. One can only hope.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:09 AM

Not the entire sporting world. The local press almost NEVER criticized the Ravens' offense for it's mindlessly predictable, LOW PERCENTAGE offense. 2 runs for short or no gain and a long pass on 3rd down has a LOW PERCENTAGE of success.

 

 

One possible rationalization for that "mindlessly predictable" offense (I'm not saying I like it, just that it might explain it) is that the players' level of performance dictated that things be kept as simple as possible. TEs without Pitta for most of the season + RBs with Rice and Pierce injured and out of shape + WRs without Boldin or adequate replacement, + most of all the OL anchored by unmotivated McKinnie, injured Osemele, inexperienced undersized Gradkowski missing Burk, injured Yanda, and underperforming Oher with indeterminate coaching by Castillo (or who?) = not much to work with. I have hopes that every one of those lacks has been more or less addressed going into this season. I am hoping that the coaching changes result in a clear, consistent strategy that everyone can get behind and execute with some passion. One can only hope.

All good points but still inexcusable. And boy did they keep it “simple.” I think what is most disturbing is that week after week after week… we saw zero adaptability, zero imagination, zero willingness to at least TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. And let us not forget that Castillo is still around. That, in and of itself, is disturbing.


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