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Docs vs Glocks: Latest Florida Gun Abomination

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The physician is asking about guns in the home because he needs to evaluate the patients risk for lead poisoning.

 

Duh!!

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Doctors would accomplish much more in terms of a child's safety and health by asking if they are left at home alone ~ if their parent(s) uses drugs or drinks a lot~ or of mama has many "sleepovers" with more than one "boyfriend".  Those things present a far greater danger to children.  Many instances of child abuse seem to involve "mother's boyfriend

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yes docs should absolutely ask about it, and document it

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Yeah, what do the statistics say?

 

They say more people die from drugs than guns.

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More people die from drugs than from car accidents

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Drugs/drug-deaths-exceed-traffic-deaths/story?id=14554903

 

 

....although gun related deaths are right up near the top, and if one were to normalize by the number of gun owners, or the number of drug users (including home/prescribed use), or the number of drivers....ummm, guns are the leading cause. per user.

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Here's a link to the actual decision:

 

http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/201214009.pdf

 

It's a good decision.  Contrary to the lies spewing forth from the civilian disarmament crowd, there are no First Amendment issues involved.  The State has the right to regulate a doctor's conduct.  The law basically states that a doctor cannot demand information from a patient that is irrelevant to that patient's medical care, keep records of irrelevant information, harass patients in order to extract irrelevant information or discriminate against those who refuse to provide it.  The AMA basically says the same thing.  If the information is relevant then there are no restrictions.  If doctors want to offer their patients gun safety classes then they are free to do so.  If they want to plaster the walls of their office with anti-gun propaganda then there's nothing stopping them.  Seems like a reasonable and common sense approach to me.

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Zen -

 

Do you think it's appropriate for a doctor, during a routine exam, to ask if there are guns in the home ?

Doctors have enough on their minds without having to worry about being drawn into a law suit by some paranoid inbred nose picking Florida gomer.

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Here's a link to the actual decision:

 

http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/201214009.pdf

 

It's a good decision.  Contrary to the lies spewing forth from the civilian disarmament crowd, there are no First Amendment issues involved.  The State has the right to regulate a doctor's conduct.  The law basically states that a doctor cannot demand information from a patient that is irrelevant to that patient's medical care, keep records of irrelevant information, harass patients in order to extract irrelevant information or discriminate against those who refuse to provide it.  The AMA basically says the same thing.  If the information is relevant then there are no restrictions.  If doctors want to offer their patients gun safety classes then they are free to do so.  If they want to plaster the walls of their office with anti-gun propaganda then there's nothing stopping them.  Seems like a reasonable and common sense approach to me.

Pure horse****.  Were patients being intimidated into providing information about guns?  Don't be ridiculous. This is pure grandstanding--as noted the AMA has detailed rules that more than cover this.

 

Your tax dollars are work. 

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Pure horse****.  Were patients being intimidated into providing information about guns?  Don't be ridiculous. This is pure grandstanding--as noted the AMA has detailed rules that more than cover this.

 

Your tax dollars are work. 

The NRA has held up the Surgeon General posting for years now.  This is part of that. It's a war to mute rational voices on the gun issue.   (BTW C Everett Coop died)

 

 

http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/23/why-the-nra-is-blocking-obama%E2%80%99s-surgeon-general-nominee/

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They say more people die from drugs than guns.

Doctors ask about drug use.

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Doctors ask about drug use.

When I give blood I am always asked about recent tattoos and trading sex for drugs or having sex with anyone who has traded sex for drugs.  

 

I'm 63 years old.

 

So I think being asked if you keep a gun in the home isn't a big deal!

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The nosy b******s!

 

Muzzle those pesky doctors about that too, where's the illegal drug lobby when you need them! <_<

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Doctors have enough on their minds without having to worry about being drawn into a law suit by some paranoid inbred nose picking Florida gomer.

 

67% of all homicides in Florida last year were by firearms.

 

In Maryland, the percentage was 69%.

 

"Nose-picking Gomer" is alive and well in Baltimore City.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/?wpsrc=PT0000203

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I think it's fine for a pediatrician or GP to review basic safety measures with new parents: keeping cleaning products out of reach, car

seats, blocking electrical outlets and yes keeping guns locked up.

 

You would be surprised how uncommon common sense can be.

 

An adult in the course of an exam, of course not. Though maybe in the case of taking in an elderly parent there should be some sort of similar review.

 

What do you think?

 

I think that a family doctor should not act as an instrument of the government but rather as a heath care professional.

 

The lifestyle choices of the parents are out of bounds.

 

What do you think ?

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Oh for heaven's sake. Pediatricians routinely discuss child-proofing the home, especially with first time parents. Don't see the American Chemical Council whining that doctors shouldn't caution parents to lock up the Clorox and Liquid Plumber.

 

Honestly.

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The court did uphold one part of the law, which bars doctors from discriminating against patients solely because they own guns.

 

So for the time being at least, gun owners still have some rights

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I had a physician ask me that several years ago. I told him it was none of his concern. He looked at me strangely, paused and that was that.

 

I think the concern was that such information was being collected for use by the CDC. And not strictly for health reasons. No one ever asked me if I had a swimming pool, or Venetian blinds with cords.

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