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The future at first?

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I've been following this guy all year. Would be great to see him get a full season next year at triple A and then maybe move up to bigs if we can't or decide we don't want to resign Davis.

 

 


 

"He is having a Player of the Year kind of season. In 126 games he is batting .295 with 22 doubles, two triples, 24 homers and 92 RBIs. He leads all O's farmhands in homers and RBIs. He has an OBP of .366, is slugging .498 and an OPS of .864.

 

"I got to Bowie and saw he was hitting them halfway back in the trees. I was thinking he'd hit more homers, but not that far. He's made tremendous strides."

Walker added the power while continuing to take his walks - he has 53 - and maintaining a high average. He's been a complete hitter.

 

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2014/08/jeff-manto-talks-about-christian-walker-and-dariel-alvarez.html

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With Walker and Alvarez, the O's have 2 legitimate postion prospects knocking on the door of the big club.

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That would be great. Just the name Christian Walker sounds like such a bad-*** name.

I could just picture a Bunyan-sized statue with a huge bat out there at the yard with that name on it

 

Christian Walker

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I've been following this guy all year. Would be great to see him get a full season next year at triple A and then maybe move up to bigs if we can't or decide we don't want to resign Davis.

 

 

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2014/08/jeff-manto-talks-about-christian-walker-and-dariel-alvarez.html

Why does Davis need to leave? You could put Davis at 3rd, Manny at SS, and throw Walker in at 1st, with Schoop at 2nd. That is a serious top shelf infield, if this season isn't a fluke for Walker.

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Why does Davis need to leave? You could put Davis at 3rd, Manny at SS, and throw Walker in at 1st, with Schoop at 2nd. That is a serious top shelf infield, if this season isn't a fluke for Walker.

I don't think we should be paying $14 million a year for a guy who bats below the mendoza line and leads the league in shutouts. If Davis can rebound and hit for average then it would be great to see him at first for four or five more years but I'd rather spend that money on Markakis and Hardy and leave Machado at third where he has been nothing short of spectacular.

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I don't think we should be paying $14 million a year for a guy who bats below the mendoza line and leads the league in shutouts. If Davis can rebound and hit for average then it would be great to see him at first for four or five more years but I'd rather spend that money on Markakis and Hardy and leave Machado at third where he has been nothing short of spectacular.

I don't know that I'm ready to say .192 is who Davis is when he's a a career .250ish hitter. He's also not going to hit 50 homers a year. I don't give him $14M next year, but we don't have to. We have another year to see if he's the .192 guy or the .250ish guy

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I don't know that I'm ready to say .192 is who Davis is when he's a a career .250ish hitter. He's also not going to hit 50 homers a year. I don't give him $14M next year, but we don't have to. We have another year to see if he's the .192 guy or the .250ish guy

Yeah, he is likely neither the 2013 nor the 2014 guy, but somewhere in between. What this year may have done is take a lot of leverage away from his agent. That could work out well for the O's.

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Yeah, he is likely neither the 2013 nor the 2014 guy, but somewhere in between. What this year may have done is take a lot of leverage away from his agent. That could work out well for the O's.

I think what's going on with Davis is he hit that 50 and he's expecting to be that guy now. Meanwhile the league adjusted going back to the 2nd half of last year and he hasn't changed his approach to  counter that adjustment. I wonder if the hitting coach has given him the right advice or if he's given it and it hasn't been taken

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Davis will be OK, I think the shift had gotten into his head, and it's just snowballed. Maybe he's not that 2013 50 HR guy but nor is he a scrub that his 2014 production might suggest. And I'd like to see Manny moved back to SS where he would be even more valuable defensively. I just don't know that CD is up to being an everyday 3B from a defensive standpoint.

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It's a small sample size but Davis looks better since he's been in the 7th hole to me. Maybe it's just a coincidence but I think Buck should leave him there for the rest of the season. If he's truly snapping out of it that makes the bottom of the lineup pretty potent with him and Schoop down there which should only help the guys in the middle of the order.

 

I also think this is a better lineup with Young getting more time. The way it looks right now Manny can take his time until he's 100 º/o healthy. It also helps that Pierce is hitting again.

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It's a small sample size but Davis looks better since he's been in the 7th hole to me. Maybe it's just a coincidence but I think Buck should leave him there for the rest of the season. If he's truly snapping out of it that makes the bottom of the lineup pretty potent with him and Schoop down there which should only help the guys in the middle of the order.

 

I also think this is a better lineup with Young getting more time. The way it looks right now Manny can take his time until he's 100 º/o healthy. It also helps that Pierce is hitting again.

Yep. Davis is adequate at 3B, and with Young and Pierce hitting, we do not miss Manny's bat - for now. It would, however, be very good to get him back NLT mid-September so he has time to get back into the flow; his return to the lineup in May was not pretty for well over 100 ABs IIRC.

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I'm not overly enthused about a guy who is only hitting adequately at AA.  .864 is a good OPS in the majors, but you have to imagine that if that's his AA number, it'll be closer to .700 when he's facing the best pitchers in the world.  Not a ton of power either, at a premium power position.

 

I guess it's possible he winds up being great, but I wouldn't operate as if he will be.

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Davis will be OK, I think the shift had gotten into his head, and it's just snowballed. Maybe he's not that 2013 50 HR guy but nor is he a scrub that his 2014 production might suggest. And I'd like to see Manny moved back to SS where he would be even more valuable defensively. I just don't know that CD is up to being an everyday 3B from a defensive standpoint.

If I am the GM I resign Hardy for 3 or 4 more years and you have the best left side of the infield in the game. Why mess that up?

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I'm not overly enthused about a guy who is only hitting adequately at AA.  .864 is a good OPS in the majors, but you have to imagine that if that's his AA number, it'll be closer to .700 when he's facing the best pitchers in the world.  Not a ton of power either, at a premium power position.

 

I guess it's possible he winds up being great, but I wouldn't operate as if he will be.

While that may be true, If I am the GM I know that I control this guy for the next four or five years and in 2015 he'll be making the major league minimum as opposed to 13 to 16 million which I can then spend elsewhere. He's now at triple A and the reports are that he's hitting with excellent power at the ripe old age of 23 so I believe there's still a considerable upside.. We have next year to evaluate both him and Davis. Hey, if Davis is actually a 260/270 hitter who will put in 35 to 40 homers then maybe he's worth 14/16 million a year.

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Davis is almost at the .180's

 

That's 18 hits in 100 at bats.

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Something tells me that next year Davis is going to be in the 240 to 260 range with 25 to 30 home runs and 70 to 90 RBIs and I think that's the hitter he is.

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Something tells me that next year Davis is going to be in the 240 to 260 range with 25 to 30 home runs and 70 to 90 RBIs and I think that's the hitter he is.

You may be right, but the future (beyond 2015) is someone other than Chris Davis.  There are two things working against him to stay in Baltimore.  One is Scott Boras who will hang onto 2013 numbers like grim death in getting Davis a new deal.  And two, there is no way Duquette will commit a big multi year deal to a guy that can be this abysmal for this long of time.  Risk is too high it will happen again.  I look for Davis to struggle again somewhat next year and be shuffled off in a mid-year deal to clear room for Walker to take over first base next July.

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You may be right, but the future (beyond 2015) is someone other than Chris Davis.  There are two things working against him to stay in Baltimore.  One is Scott Boras who will hang onto 2013 numbers like grim death in getting Davis a new deal.  And two, there is no way Duquette will commit a big multi year deal to a guy that can be this abysmal for this long of time.  Risk is too high it will happen again.  I look for Davis to struggle again somewhat next year and be shuffled off in a mid-year deal to clear room for Walker to take over first base next July.

I agree.

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He won the minor league player of the year award for the O's

 

 

 

The 23-year-old Walker played 95 games at Double-A Bowie and 44 for Triple-A Norfolk this season. He batted .288 with 25 doubles, two triples, 26 homers and 96 RBIs. Walker led all O's minor leaguers in homers and RBIs.

The fourth-round pick in 2012 out of the University of South Carolina had a .357 OBP and a .489 slugging percentage for an OPS of .846.

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IMO Davis has one year left in Baltimore, due to Boras, and Walker, as already stated.  Love Chris and what he's done for the O's(even with his low average this year, he still has been quite productive somehow), but I don't think the Orioles will pony up to keep him when a potential monster is waiting to come up.

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