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Agree with Preston. O-Line still a BIG problem.

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4th and one; 4th and inches - no gain. Flacco STILL running for his life. Improvement from last year? Not from what I saw. I realize it's pre-season but the Skins were throwing everything at them and they exposed the still continuing weakness of the offensive line.

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On one of those 4th and 1 plays, TV showed a side angle of the Oline right at the snap. Our entire line was knocked backward rather than the other way around.

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On one play that caused a 4th and 1 the refs blew it. Our receiver's foot and ball was clearly over the 10 yard line and they blew it short of the 10. I also saw Washington's line blown back on a 4th as well. Pre season ya know but in all I really like our line. I know Brooks at safety is the real deal Speed and hits

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Maybe it was good to have them exposed now. Gives the players and coaches some time to improve and/or make changes.

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I believe the OL has something to prove. I haven't seen that they are any better than last year at this point. I know this is a preseason game but Flacco was sacked three times in one half. There were other times he was rushed. The running game is still non-existent. The Ravens will go nowhere with the RBs averaging less  than three yards a carry.

 

I hope I am wrong with my assessment. But the OL was beaten most of the night. Is Washington's defense that good? Or is it a sign of things to come for the Ravens?

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Can't answer about the sign of things to come, but as for the Redskins defense, no they are not that good. 

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Yet he's the same one who was touting how great a job the Ravens did at improving the O-line all summer long. Yet all one has to do is look at it even semi-objectively to see it's all smoke and mirrors. The same thing happened last year when I was questioning the advisability of using Gradkowski, a totally unproven rookie, as the starting center. Wagner is totally unproven, regardless of how much he's improved since last year. And Zutah is a castoff center who was replaced so his former team could upgrade. (He was ranked 24th out of 32 NFL centers last year.) And Monroe has failed to show me he's an elite, or even a very good, starting LT.  And Jah Reid as a backup? REALLY?!!! I don't think so. So why should any of these O-line problems and/or depth come as any kind of surprise at all?

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Maybe it was good to have them exposed now. Gives the players and coaches some time to improve and/or make changes.

It's too late to make changes. Ozzie clearly needed to get a RT and didn't. And while I think Zuttah is clearly an upgrade over what we had at C last year, I'm not sure he's an impact pick up.

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I'll go against the grain here and say the O-Line is much improved IMO. I watced Yanda get beat. Does that mean he sucks? O-Line will be fine. And for the 100th time, just so he doesn't have to post it again tomorrow, OCF said last year Gradkowski would suck at center and he was right.

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 And for the 100th time, just so he doesn't have to post it again tomorrow, OCF said last year Gradkowski would suck at center and he was right.

I recall several people here making that call last year

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I'll go against the grain here and say the O-Line is much improved IMO. I watced Yanda get beat. Does that mean he sucks? O-Line will be fine. And for the 100th time, just so he doesn't have to post it again tomorrow, OCF said last year Gradkowski would suck at center and he was right.

That is an easy call whenever a new guy is breaking in (especially replacing a rock like Burk at such a key position). Gradkowski was overmatched from the get-go and never did catch up. Because he sucked, though does not mean that all young players will suck, and Wagner may well become a great player (or maybe not). When is the right time to give him the job? When the whole system is changing under a new coordinator seems as good as any. Zuttah may be a different question.

 

To me, one of the key factors in an OL's effectiveness is playing together, so I don't believe the pre-season is the time to pass final judgement. And while the Redskins' defense is known to not be good, their big pass rushers are very talented. I still have high hopes for the Ravens' offensive line this year.

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Yet he's the same one who was touting how great a job the Ravens did at improving the O-line all summer long. Yet all one has to do is look at it even semi-objectively to see it's all smoke and mirrors. The same thing happened last year when I was questioning the advisability of using Gradkowski, a totally unproven rookie, as the starting center. Wagner is totally unproven, regardless of how much he's improved since last year. And Zutah is a castoff center who was replaced so his former team could upgrade. (He was ranked 24th out of 32 NFL centers last year.) And Monroe has failed to show me he's an elite, or even a very good, starting LT.  And Jah Reid as a backup? REALLY?!!! I don't think so. So why should any of these O-line problems and/or depth come as any kind of surprise at all?

"why should any of these O-line problems and/or depth come as any kind of surprise at all?" they don't. but i'll say this about "[zutah] was ranked 24th out of 32 NFL centers last year." that statistic alone can be misleading without a statement of variation/spread in performance among the 32 centers. someone has to be # 1 and someone # 32. the question is how much better was # 1 relative to # 32? or, put another way, how much better were all centers relative to each other and how much were those performances clustered around the norm? so, zutah may be ranked 24 of 32, but if by the performance standards centers are judged zutah's performance varies little from #1, or is consistent with the norm, then i'd say the ravens got a bargain, given that gradkowski's performance was clearly below the norm.

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"why should any of these O-line problems and/or depth come as any kind of surprise at all?" they don't. but i'll say this about "[zutah] was ranked 24th out of 32 NFL centers last year." that statistic alone can be misleading without a statement of variation/spread in performance among the 32 centers. someone has to be # 1 and someone # 32. the question is how much better was # 1 relative to # 32? or, put another way, how much better were all centers relative to each other and how much were those performances clustered around the norm? so, zutah may be ranked 24 of 32, but if by the performance standards centers are judged zutah's performance varies little from #1, or is consistent with the norm, then i'd say the ravens got a bargain, given that gradkowski's performance was clearly below the norm.

All statistics can be misleading. And when your own starting center is the absolute worst in the NFL, ANYONE would be an improvement. The question is...how much of an improvement. Ozzie Newsome has failed to significantly improve the O-line for so long now it's not funny. And this year is yet another example. And just like last year when the press went silent during the Castillo disaster, Preston was all raving about how much the O-line had improved, and now he's crowing about how it hasn't really improved. HE'S the one I'm calling out here.

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I'm not going to listen to Preston right now. Once we are into the season we shall see if he's right or wrong. 

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