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Than nothing still will be done. The Krafts are considered God's in the NFL.

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Of course it won't... Goodell is so far up Kraft's butt all you can see is his socks..

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The way things are heating up I don't know if that's going to be possible. This thing has gone viral.

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suspend brady for his next game. hahaha. i would never stop laughing!

 

NOTHING will be done by the league before the super bowl. at least the media will badger belichick for the next week and a half, i know how much he loves that. :D

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The NFL is embarrassed over this. Superbowl coming up. HUSH.

 

 

 

Then the **** hits the fan.

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It will be addressed in the offseason. It's impossible for the NFL to do anything outside of fine the organization. Is there any proof exactly who did it? Unless someone has a video, a memo, or some other proof implicating Belicheck, Brady, or anyone else on the Patriots what exactly can the NFL do? After the season is over the NFL will most likely rescind the ruling that Peyton Manning helped to get that allows teams to handle their footballs so that the QB can get a feel for them and manipulate them prior to the game. The footballs will be controlled by the refs until game time and the QB's will just have to deal with it. A lot of QB's will be pissed off, but that is just the way it goes.

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More than likely, Brady will deny asking or paying the ball boy to deflate the footballs to the specs that he likes. Brady is already denying everything. The ball boy/person will probably be the fall guy in all of this. BUT, just based on what we already know, eleven of twelve balls were deflated. SOMEBODY in that New England organization DID something, and that is where the punitive aspect will come down to. The NFL is NOT going to be left holding the bag. New England will be fined and draft picks,they will lose. The NFL is sick and tired of the Pats org. and their pisss poor gamemanship.

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It's beginning to appear that way- nothing until post SB.  If I was Sean Payton, I'd  be livid.

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In fairness, it was found during the NFL's investigation of Bounty-Gate that not only did Sean Payton not shut down the program after ordered by owner Tom Benson to do so, he later tried to cover it up. That's why the league came down so hard on the Saints and Peyton in particular.

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Michael Pineda was ejected from a game on April 23rd last year for using an illegal substance to doctor the ball.  MLB handed him a 10 game suspension THE NEXT DAY, April 24th.  He was already under suspicion based on video everybody saw a couple weeks before.

 

According to reports we heard today, the league was already suspicious of the Patriots "football doctoring" tendencies, and had "planned to test" at halftime anyway.  They tested with a 92% failure rate... significantly below minimum specifications.  Yet somehow, the NFL won't be able to dole out punishment until after the Superbowl.

 

And it'll be minimal... neither Brady nor Belichick will miss a game.

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Unless the evidence against them is damning, there is no way possible either Brady or Belichick get suspended for the Super Bowl. Can you just imagine the howls from NBC and the advertisers, all of whom spent obscene fortunes on this game, if New England is forced to play the game from a compromised position? It'd be a ratings nightmare.

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Unless the evidence against them is damning, there is no way possible either Brady or Belichick get suspended for the Super Bowl. Can you just imagine the howls from NBC and the advertisers, all of whom spent obscene fortunes on this game, if New England is forced to play the game from a compromised position? It'd be a ratings nightmare.

Unless the evidence against them is damning? Do you live in a cave?

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Unless the evidence against them is damning? Do you live in a cave?

What evidence do you consider damning? Because Mark Brunell said so? Sorry, but this is America and the burden of proof is a little higher than that.

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Michael Pineda was ejected from a game on April 23rd last year for using an illegal substance to doctor the ball.  MLB handed him a 10 game suspension THE NEXT DAY, April 24th.  He was already under suspicion based on video everybody saw a couple weeks before.

 

According to reports we heard today, the league was already suspicious of the Patriots "football doctoring" tendencies, and had "planned to test" at halftime anyway.  They tested with a 92% failure rate... significantly below minimum specifications.  Yet somehow, the NFL won't be able to dole out punishment until after the Superbowl.

 

And it'll be minimal... neither Brady nor Belichick will miss a game.

    The NFL will not shoot themselves in the foot by suspending the QB and Head Coach of the AFC representative a week before the game.  

    Further, the investigation will take sat least several weeks.take at lest several weeks. I heard on a sports talk show that the rule book states that     the penalty for altering the weight of game balls is $25,000. My prediction is that the Patriots will offer up an equipment guy to take the fall. 

    

    I agree that the dynamic duo of Brady and Billichick will not miss a game. I heard on a sports talk show that a team can be fined $ 25,000

    by the league for knowingly altering footballs. The end result will be a heftier fine for the Patriots, and a change in the rule to include 

    suspensions in the future. 

   

   

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This whole fiasco/circus is ridiculous. Baseball and basketball players don't get special balls; golfers and tennis players don't get special balls.

 

This nonsense that each team gets its own balls during a game -- and the kickers get special balls -- is freakin' unbelieveable.

 

The solution is simple: The League should supply all the balls for every game. They should be exactly the same balls in every NFL stadium, inflated to a specific psi and delivered to the referee before the game.

 

No special balls for the quarterbacks; no special balls for kickers -- just footballs for football players. If the quarterbacks and kickers can't play with regulation footballs then maybe they're just not very good players.

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The problem is... unless they get someone to admit "I let air out of the footballs" and/or "This person instructed me to do it"... or they turn up some secret stadium security camera footage catching the act... the Pats will continue to claim ignorance.  And the league / Goodell will be able to let the issue slide.

 

ANYBODY WITH A BRAIN knows that Tom Brady would know a ball is well under-inflated... and ANYBODY WITH A BRAIN knows that nobody would do it without Tom Brady's approval (if not direct order).  What you had today were the coach and the QB that for years have been reported as the smartest in the game at their positions, who know the rules better than anyone, going in front of the camera and claiming ignorance.   Mark Brunell, Troy Aikman, tons of other QBs and players have stated in recent days that there's no way he didn't know, and there's no way it wouldn't happen without his approval.  Here's a guy who has likely picked up a football almost every day of his life for the past 25 year, and thrown one over 100,000 times (counting practices)...

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What evidence do you consider damning? Because Mark Brunell said so? Sorry, but this is America and the burden of proof is a little higher than that.

LOL. Because they found 11 out of 12 balls to be ILLEGAL, THAT'S why. Good grief. Just stop already.

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LOL. Because they found 11 out of 12 balls to be ILLEGAL, THAT'S why. Good grief. Just stop already.

It isn't the result that's in question, but the intent. It isn't what you know, but what you can prove. 

 

There are tons of unanswered questions here. Namely, were the balls properly checked by officials before the game? Information on the pregame process would be enlightening because it would give a better idea if New England simply provided under-inflated footballs or if they were manipulated after inspection. Knowing the air pressure of the Colts footballs vs. the Patriots would at least provide a comparison, both pregame and postgame.

 

Further, were the balls in question either discarded or re-inflated after they were initially discovered? And is there any tangible evidence that someone on the New England sideline tampered with the footballs? 

 

Remember, game balls used by NFL quarterbacks are not new balls; only kicking balls are new from game to game. Every team has anywhere from 12 to 20 game balls that it meticulously breaks in over the course of a season. There was a story in the New York Times a few years back that detailed Eli Manning's exacting preferences. No one is allowed near them. That doesn't mean, however, that each ball feels exactly the same; it can feel wholly different. What it does ensure, however, is that every ball put into play has been prepped by the team's equipment staff exactly the way he wants and likes it. Nothing is left to chance.

 

No quarterback in the NFL ever uses a new ball. Or more accurately, what they want is a new ball that feels as if it's been around since they were in junior high. They'd rather take a late hit than have to throw a brand-new ball. 

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It isn't the result that's in question, but the intent. It isn't what you know, but what you can prove.

This isn't a court of law, sorry.

 

Ask Ben Roethlisberger. Nothing was proven, yet he got suspended six games.

 

As said before, the balls didn't magically deflate, and they certainly weren't done so without Brady's knowledge. Brady is most definitely facing at the very least a fine - but now that he's lied in at a press conference about it - it could be significantly worse.

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There are tons of unanswered questions here. Namely, were the balls properly checked by officials before the game? Information on the pregame process would be enlightening because it would give a better idea if New England simply provided under-inflated footballs or if they were manipulated after inspection. Knowing the air pressure of the Colts footballs vs. the Patriots would at least provide a comparison, both pregame and postgame.

 

Further, were the balls in question either discarded or re-inflated after they were initially discovered? And is there any tangible evidence that someone on the New England sideline tampered with the footballs?

These questions HAVE been addressed. Yes, the balls were checked 2 hours, 16 minutes prior to the start of the game by the head referee.

 

At halftime, the underinflated set of 12 primary balls were confiscated, and the Pats had to replace them with the backup set of balls.

 

So unless a fairy or wizard magically appeared, yes, somebody tampered with the balls in the time between inspection, and the time the balls were confiscated at halftime.

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ANYBODY WITH A BRAIN knows that Tom Brady would know a ball is well under-inflated... and ANYBODY WITH A BRAIN knows that nobody would do it without Tom Brady's approval (if not direct order).

I'll submit that anyone disagreeing with that sentiment is either a Patriots/Brady fan, or trying too hard to be "impartial" and not appear to be a Ravens(or insert other rival team) homer. Some posters definitely do this.

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This isn't a court of law, sorry.

 

Ask Ben Roethlisberger. Nothing was proven, yet he got suspended six games.

 

As said before, the balls didn't magically deflate, and they certainly weren't done so without Brady's knowledge. Brady is most definitely facing at the very least a fine - but now that he's lied in at a press conference about it - it could be significantly worse.

Which was later reduced to four games. Roethlisberger was suspended under the NFL's personal conduct policy, which deals with the off-field behavior of players. Brady's never been involved in any questionable off-field incidents nor--until now--has he ever been linked to any of the previous controversies involving the Patriots. Roethlisberger may or may not have been guilty--and you're right--he was never proven to be so, but at the same time, there was a repeated pattern of what could be at the very least be termed very alarming behavior. 

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Which was later reduced to four games. Roethlisberger was suspended under the NFL's personal conduct policy, which deals with the off-field behavior of players. Brady's never been involved in any questionable off-field incidents nor--until now--has he ever been linked to any of the previous controversies involving the Patriots. Roethlisberger may or may not have been guilty--and you're right--he was never proven to be so, but at the same time, there was a repeated pattern of what could be at the very least be termed very alarming behavior. 

 

Fair or not - Brady has a bit of the "guilt by association" thing with Belichick, at least in the court of public opinion.  The NFL can't afford to screw this up, one way or the other.  That is the main reason they will take their time, and wait until after the Superbowl.

 

Really though, it's a lose/lose scenario for the NFL.  If they wait until after the Superbowl to do anything and find them guilty, there is going to be a major outcry that they should have taken action and suspended both for the game.  If they do it too quickly, and then it's never proven enough, or they find them innocent somehow(yeah, right!), and ban them, then there will be an outcry too.  Of course since most people already hate the Pats because of Spygate, some will see it as justice served regardless. 

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Pretty sure they won't suspend anybody. The whole staff will likely circle the wagons and everybody will deny deny deny. The league won't be able to prove one person responsible. I'm fully expecting this...

 

That said, it's clear somebody in the Pats organization tampered with them... so hammer the organization as a whole. Big time. Money, draft picks, and salary cap restrictions.

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