Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

The Offseason Prediction Thread


  • Please log in to reply
64 replies to this topic

#1 Thirteen

Thirteen

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,638 posts

Posted 02 October 2015 - 01:50 PM

I know, there's still three more games scheduled, but for all intents and purposes, the season is over, and I'm going to be away next week when this thread should really be started.

 

Who would you resign and who do you think will be resigned?

 

Chris Davis - Yes they should / No, they won't pay what's needed

Matt Wieters - No they shouldn't / No they won't, unless he takes the QO

Wei-Yen Chen - I'm ambivalent, but sure, why not? / No they won't

Darren O'Day - Should / Won't

Steve Pearce - Shouldn't / Will

Brian Matusz - Who cares? / Will

Gerardo Parra - I could go either way / They probably will, and I'm okay with that

Nolan Reimold - No, they shouldn't / Yes, they will, and I'm not okay with that

 

 

Arbitration Eligible Players - who do you non-tender?

 

Brad Brach - eh, who cares

Zach Britton - keep

Steve Clevenger - keep

Ryan Flaherty - cut cut cut

Miguel Gonzalez - keep

David Lough - buh bye

Manny Machado - SIGN HIM LONG TERM

TJ McFarlane - goodbye

Jimmy Paredes - keep

Chris Tillman - keep

 

What other free agents/trades do you see them pursuing?

 

They go get Ryan Howard to replace Chris Davis, and he will be DFA'd by June

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



#2 weird-O

weird-O

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 17,574 posts
  • LocationI'm here from downtown, I'm here from Mitch and Murray.

Posted 02 October 2015 - 02:26 PM

Who would you resign and who do you think will be resigned?

 

Chris Davis - I can't decide. But I'm leaning more toward resign him. But I don't think it will happen - $$$

Matt Wieters - No they shouldn't 

Wei-Yen Chen - I think he's a good pitcher, and dependable/consistent. But FA lefties get lots of money. Isolated from the total efforts of retooling, I say resign him. But with other moves that should/need to be made, he may not be the best use of the money it will take to keep him. Again, I don't think he will resign. 

Darren O'Day - Absolutely resign him. He's worth the money he'll get. 

Steve Pearce - I can't answer this in a simple yes/no reply. He's a good utility guy. But the team is too bloated with mix and match utility players. If they trim the roster, he's worth a spot. But only in a utility role.

Brian Matusz - NO!

Gerardo Parra - He's a plus D at all 3 OF positions. That will allow the team to cut bait on their mix and match losers. You guys know who I'm talking about. He doesn't K as much as most O's. But he isn't really an impact bat. I've been on the "resign him" train, but I may be getting off at the next stop. What will he cost? I guess that's when I'll make my decision.   

Nolan Reimold - NO!

 

 

Arbitration Eligible Players - who do you non-tender?

 

Brad Brach - Meh

Zach Britton - keep

Steve Clevenger - keep

Ryan Flaherty - Keep, but I'm open to cutting him if there's a better utility SS/bat.

Miguel Gonzalez - keep

David Lough - NO!

Manny Machado - Enjoy him while he's here. The team ignored their chance to dazzle a young man with a team friendly long term deal (see: Chris Archer). Now he's a platinum glove defender who hits 30+ bombs and gets on base 36% of the time. It's too late, he's arrived, and he'll get his $$$...somewhere else.

TJ McFarlane - NO!

Jimmy Paredes - keep

Chris Tillman - keep

 

What other free agents/trades do you see them pursuing?

 

They go get Ryan Howard to replace Chris Davis, and he will be DFA'd by June - Agreed


"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

#3 ivanbalt

ivanbalt

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 21,849 posts

Posted 02 October 2015 - 02:49 PM

Not going to go through the list, but I'd like to see Lough, Matusz and Reimold gone.  At least 2 of the 3 better not be on the roster next year.



#4 Steveg85321

Steveg85321

    Sage of wisdom, reason and truth

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 5,941 posts

Posted 02 October 2015 - 06:20 PM

Davis - The Orioles will sit on their hands until they see how the market shapes up, Angelos will refuse to admit that they like/need/and/or/want him for fear it will affect his negotiating position, Boras will play hardball, Duquette will replace him with some bargain basement journeyman, and next year we'll see Chris Davis in a Red Sox or Yankees uniform. Bet on it.

 

Wishing they'd keep Chen, O'Day, Pearce, and Parra.

 

Pay Britton, Tillman, Gonzales and Paredes. And for the love of God make Machado an Oriole always.

 

Unfortunately, these are wishes, not predictions. I don't trust Angelos and Duquette to act in the best interest of the fans.



#5 Slidemaster

Slidemaster

    Resident Good Luck Charm

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 23,834 posts

Posted 03 October 2015 - 04:30 PM

Everyone who costs actual money will be gone, and in 3 years, so will Machado.

1B will be Ryan Howard.
OF signings will be more no-name throwaways.
O'Day will come back
Starting pitcher signings will be veterans on their last legs. Kyle Lohse, maybe. Guys like that.

The team will return to the dark ages of Orioles baseball, when 66 wins, dwindling attendance, and failed draft picks were the Oriole way. I hope everyone enjoyed the ride, because it's going to be another extended rebuilding process.

This is EXACTLY what I was afraid of, and why I never really bought the team's success. When you don't behave like a winner, acquire and develop talent like a winner, and show urgency like a winner, you don't win for very long.

Edited by Slidemaster, 03 October 2015 - 04:31 PM.

The kids are alright.

#6 Jabez

Jabez

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 3,548 posts

Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:14 AM

Everyone who costs actual money will be gone, and in 3 years, so will Machado.

1B will be Ryan Howard.
OF signings will be more no-name throwaways.
O'Day will come back
Starting pitcher signings will be veterans on their last legs. Kyle Lohse, maybe. Guys like that.

The team will return to the dark ages of Orioles baseball, when 66 wins, dwindling attendance, and failed draft picks were the Oriole way. I hope everyone enjoyed the ride, because it's going to be another extended rebuilding process.

This is EXACTLY what I was afraid of, and why I never really bought the team's success. When you don't behave like a winner, acquire and develop talent like a winner, and show urgency like a winner, you don't win for very long.

 

Stay tuned for the continuing rift that will really get exposed in January between Dumpster Dan and The Show when NOTHING gets accomplished.



#7 EnochRoot

EnochRoot

    Money won't change me.

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,494 posts

Posted 05 October 2015 - 10:28 AM

 

Who would you resign and who do you think will be resigned?

 

[...]

 

Gerardo Parra - He's a plus D at all 3 OF positions. That will allow the team to cut bait on their mix and match losers. You guys know who I'm talking about. He doesn't K as much as most O's. But he isn't really an impact bat. I've been on the "resign him" train, but I may be getting off at the next stop. What will he cost? I guess that's when I'll make my decision.   

 

[...]

 

He's a league avg bat that was flat out raking in MIL and for whatever reason fell off the cliff here in BAL. But as you noted, his plus D at multiple OF positions makes him a good sign, and his 97 OPS+ says to me he can be had on the (relatively) cheap. He's worth it.



#8 JoyinMudville

JoyinMudville

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 11,554 posts
  • LocationBrooklyn

Posted 05 October 2015 - 01:00 PM

If the Orioles aren't speaking to Scott Boras right now about keeping Davis, he's gone.

 

If Angelos doesn't pick up the phone and personally call Davis in the next couple of days, he's gone.

 

If Buck and Dan don't take Davis out to dinner in the next week or two, he's gone.

 

This has always been my problem with the O's. They don't court the players they say they want.

 

I remember when Mussina became a free agent. The Yanks wined and dined him. Joe Torre personally drove him around West Chester to show him neighborhoods where he could live that satisfied his desire to live a more bucolic, non urban lifestyle. When the Yanks want someone, the whole organization gets involved. Key players will pick up the phone, et cetera.

 

If the O's don't do this with Davis they're morons.



#9 weird-O

weird-O

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 17,574 posts
  • LocationI'm here from downtown, I'm here from Mitch and Murray.

Posted 05 October 2015 - 01:11 PM

If the Orioles aren't speaking to Scott Boras right now about keeping Davis, he's gone.

 

If Angelos doesn't pick up the phone and personally call Davis in the next couple of days, he's gone.

 

If Buck and Dan don't take Davis out to dinner in the next week or two, he's gone.

 

This has always been my problem with the O's. They don't court the players they say they want.

 

I remember when Mussina became a free agent. The Yanks wined and dined him. Joe Torre personally drove him around West Chester to show him neighborhoods where he could live that satisfied his desire to live a more bucolic, non urban lifestyle. When the Yanks want someone, the whole organization gets involved. Key players will pick up the phone, et cetera.

 

If the O's don't do this with Davis they're morons.

I get what you're saying with NY's approach to courting players, but that wouldn't apply to this particular case, because he's already an Oriole.

They should be doing that with players they want to add though. AJ is the captain, and he's respected. He should definitely be involved in the FA shopping process. I remember reading that Atl send a delegation to Nick's house, and they went to dinner. Two days later, he signed with them. I can't recall ever reading stories about the O's doing that sort of thing. Maybe someone can refresh my memory. The closest they came to that kind of behavior, was when Buck flew to meet Rasmus last winter. From the reports on that situation, it was Buck getting a 1st hand meeting, to see if Rasmus wouldn't fit in with his team. That's important stuff, but it was more like a job interview.   


"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

#10 JoyinMudville

JoyinMudville

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 11,554 posts
  • LocationBrooklyn

Posted 05 October 2015 - 01:18 PM

I get what you're saying with NY's approach to courting players, but that wouldn't apply to this particular case, because he's already an Oriole.

They should be doing that with players they want to add though. AJ is the captain, and he's respected. He should definitely be involved in the FA shopping process. I remember reading that Atl send a delegation to Nick's house, and they went to dinner. Two days later, he signed with them. I can't recall ever reading stories about the O's doing that sort of thing. Maybe someone can refresh my memory. The closest they came to that kind of behavior, was when Buck flew to meet Rasmus last winter. From the reports on that situation, it was Buck getting a 1st hand meeting, to see if Rasmus wouldn't fit in with his team. That's important stuff, but it was more like a job interview.   

I respectfully disagree. While Jones is unquestionably the leader on the team, Davis is also a leader who has said that he wants to know where the team is going before signing a long term deal - this was after the Markakis departure.

 

Buck and DD should meet with Davis, say we want to keep you as the cornerstone of the O's infield (no more of this inane right field stuff) and these are the other players we're targeting to put us back in the post season.

 

That should happen this week. If it doesn't. He's gone and you'll be reading quotes about how he "never really heard from the O's."



#11 Guest_TheJudgement_*

Guest_TheJudgement_*
  • Guests

Posted 05 October 2015 - 01:22 PM

I like it when the ballplayers speak up about the front office moves. If anyone has a reason to be honest it would be them with their monetary interest in what happens with the club. I still remember Melvin Mora asking "who is going to pitch for us"?, after one particularly dreadful off-season. And then I realized it wasn't just the fans that wondered about the Os front office

Edited by TheJudgement, 05 October 2015 - 01:24 PM.


#12 weird-O

weird-O

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 17,574 posts
  • LocationI'm here from downtown, I'm here from Mitch and Murray.

Posted 05 October 2015 - 01:36 PM

I respectfully disagree. While Jones is unquestionably the leader on the team, Davis is also a leader who has said that he wants to know where the team is going before signing a long term deal - this was after the Markakis departure.

 

Buck and DD should meet with Davis, say we want to keep you as the cornerstone of the O's infield (no more of this inane right field stuff) and these are the other players we're targeting to put us back in the post season.

 

That should happen this week. If it doesn't. He's gone and you'll be reading quotes about how he "never really heard from the O's."

Yes, they should take advantage of their exclusive negotiating window. But the other courting stuff isn't something teams typically do with players that are already with the club. That is pretty much reserved for new acquisitions.  


"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

#13 reg_indy

reg_indy

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 7,868 posts

Posted 05 October 2015 - 02:21 PM

Yes, they should take advantage of their exclusive negotiating window. But the other courting stuff isn't something teams typically do with players that are already with the club. That is pretty much reserved for new acquisitions.  

 

 

They need to Back the Brinks trucks up to the Davis house, the Machado House and the Schoop House.

 

Start the offers for Davis and Machado at 20 million. 4-5 years for Davis, 6-8 for Machado and Schoop.

 

Not like there won't be higher and longer offers out there.

 

Do that NOW, and energize the city and fanbase.

 

Then, go get a pitcher.

 

There's zero reason not to.


Edited by reg_indy, 05 October 2015 - 02:21 PM.

Terrell Suggs is doing all that he can fan the flames on the Ravens’ feud with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Underneath his uniform, the linebacker/defensive end has been wearing a black t-shirt with the letters “YBYSA” on the front and the saying, “You Bet Your Sweet *** I Hate the Steelers” on the back.

"I saw it in a store, and I was like, 'Oh, that’s nice for camp. Get our minds right,'" Suggs said

#14 bmore_ken

bmore_ken

    Posting Champ

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 74,633 posts

Posted 05 October 2015 - 02:24 PM

They need to Back the Brinks trucks up to the Davis house, the Machado House and the Schoop House.

 

Start the offers for Davis and Machado at 20 million. 4-5 years for Davis, 6-8 for Machado and Schoop.

 

Not like there won't be higher and longer offers out there.

 

Do that NOW, and energize the city and fanbase.

 

Then, go get a pitcher.

 

There's zero reason not to.

Two pitchers :)


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:

#15 weird-O

weird-O

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 17,574 posts
  • LocationI'm here from downtown, I'm here from Mitch and Murray.

Posted 05 October 2015 - 02:31 PM

They need to Back the Brinks trucks up to the Davis house, the Machado House and the Schoop House.

 

Start the offers for Davis and Machado at 20 million. 4-5 years for Davis, 6-8 for Machado and Schoop.

 

Not like there won't be higher and longer offers out there.

 

Do that NOW, and energize the city and fanbase.

 

Then, go get a pitcher.

 

There's zero reason not to.

I agree with you about extending Manny & JS. But I just can't fully get behind keeping Davis. To be fair, I'm not sure I want to see him leave either. 

 

Since the O's have returned to being a contending team, there has been 1 consistent criticism from the fans on this board (and other outlets). That criticism is that the team is built around the home run. It's a team of players who are all or nothing power hitters. Davis is the quintessential example of that type of hitter. If they're going to become a more balanced team, they need to start moving in that direction immediately.  


"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

#16 weird-O

weird-O

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 17,574 posts
  • LocationI'm here from downtown, I'm here from Mitch and Murray.

Posted 05 October 2015 - 02:34 PM

Everyone who costs actual money will be gone, and in 3 years, so will Machado.

1B will be Ryan Howard.
OF signings will be more no-name throwaways.
O'Day will come back
Starting pitcher signings will be veterans on their last legs. Kyle Lohse, maybe. Guys like that.

The team will return to the dark ages of Orioles baseball, when 66 wins, dwindling attendance, and failed draft picks were the Oriole way. I hope everyone enjoyed the ride, because it's going to be another extended rebuilding process.

This is EXACTLY what I was afraid of, and why I never really bought the team's success. When you don't behave like a winner, acquire and develop talent like a winner, and show urgency like a winner, you don't win for very long.

The return of Nate McLouth. I'd almost bet on it. 


"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

#17 Guest_TheJudgement_*

Guest_TheJudgement_*
  • Guests

Posted 05 October 2015 - 02:51 PM

I agree with you about extending Manny & JS. But I just can't fully get behind keeping Davis. To be fair, I'm not sure I want to see him leave either.

Since the O's have returned to being a contending team, there has been 1 consistent criticism from the fans on this board (and other outlets). That criticism is that the team is built around the home run. It's a team of players who are all or nothing power hitters. Davis is the quintessential example of that type of hitter. If they're going to become a more balanced team, they need to start moving in that direction immediately.


Davis would be an awesome guy to have if you had more high percentage on base guys.
Plus Davis might have really been hurt. When he was batting terribly to beginning of this year I just felt like his 53 Homer year was an anomaly, but maybe he actually IS a better hitter. Maybe it was the injuries.

#18 CROUSEMAN

CROUSEMAN

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,084 posts

Posted 05 October 2015 - 05:30 PM

The return of Nate McLouth. I'd almost bet on it. 

Probably if the O's don't bring back Parra.  If Parra comes back, Flash will be in mix for LH piece of platoon with Reimold in LF and no need for McClouth.  Why else did he play so much down the stretch.  Buck made sure he show cased his guys for next year. A LF platoon of Flash and Reimold would make you throw up in your mouth a little. But Buck would be in hog heaven with that set up. BTW, Flash barely stayed over the Mendoza line at .202 for year with that extended playing time down stretch. if I was DD my first order of off season business would be to deal Flaherty away just to eliminate the temptation of Buck trying to get him 300ABs next year.



#19 CROUSEMAN

CROUSEMAN

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,084 posts

Posted 05 October 2015 - 05:37 PM

I agree with you about extending Manny & JS. But I just can't fully get behind keeping Davis. To be fair, I'm not sure I want to see him leave either. 

 

Since the O's have returned to being a contending team, there has been 1 consistent criticism from the fans on this board (and other outlets). That criticism is that the team is built around the home run. It's a team of players who are all or nothing power hitters. Davis is the quintessential example of that type of hitter. If they're going to become a more balanced team, they need to start moving in that direction immediately.  

Davis is already greasing skids for his exit.  When asked about his future in Free Agency he was quoted as saying "Its out of my hands now".  That is a WTF statement for sure.  Typical of the brainwashed Boras client.  These are the kind of things that Davis says that leave you scratching your head.  Put your long term cash in Manny and get two established starters like Kennedy and Fister. First base will be a one year stop gap while they wait on Trey Mancini for 2017 if not sooner.

No one will be crying about Davis next year on another team when he is in one of his black hole slumps while sucking up 23 million in payroll.



#20 Slidemaster

Slidemaster

    Resident Good Luck Charm

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 23,834 posts

Posted 05 October 2015 - 06:42 PM

Davis is not coming back, Machado isn't getting extended, and they will not sign pitchers of value. They're going back to the cellar for a few years while they rebuild.*







*Rebuilding the Oriole way means drafting poorly and neglecting the FA market until lightning is caught in a bottle for a few seasons while the status quo is maintained.

Edited by Slidemaster, 05 October 2015 - 06:42 PM.

The kids are alright.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users