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#21 Pickle20

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:14 PM

Look, you can't keep doing the same old thing, and looking the other way while people come here illegally. It's a slap in the face to the people who do it the right way and it's against the law, point blank and the period. 

 

You also can't just hand them US ID's and allow them to become citizens because that sets a bad precedent that will bring other immigrants here illegally too, looking for the same deal.

 

At some point, and maybe it's under Trump, maybe not, the door is going to close. It has to. And that's going to be ugly. Families may be broken up. People may be sent back to places where there's little hope for them. But this is all because we allowed it to happen for so long.

 

IMO, you can't have open borders, but if people get elected who are able to change the laws on the books to make it that way, fine. But you also can't have what we have now. You have to enforce the law. You have to make people do it the right way. America is about doing it the right way, or at least I think that's what it used to be.

 

Now, I'm not so sure. People think everyone should be able to do anything and if someone says anything about it, they're evil incarnate.


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#22 Marshan Man

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:23 PM

Their families are free to return to their country of origin with them.

Where would they live? You can't just send families off to nowhere. As long as they're productive and contributing taxpayers give them a path to citizenship. We need immigrants as much as they need us.
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:28 PM

Look, you can't keep doing the same old thing, and looking the other way while people come here illegally. It's a slap in the face to the people who do it the right way and it's against the law, point blank and the period.

You also can't just hand them US ID's and allow them to become citizens because that sets a bad precedent that will bring other immigrants here illegally too, looking for the same deal.

At some point, and maybe it's under Trump, maybe not, the door is going to close. It has to. And that's going to be ugly. Families may be broken up. People may be sent back to places where there's little hope for them. But this is all because we allowed it to happen for so long.

IMO, you can't have open borders, but if people get elected who are able to change the laws on the books to make it that way, fine. But you also can't have what we have now. You have to enforce the law. You have to make people do it the right way. America is about doing it the right way, or at least I think that's what it used to be.

Now, I'm not so sure. People think everyone should be able to do anything and if someone says anything about it, they're evil incarnate.

People are always going to overstay their visas. It's more than people sneaking across a border. We need the labor and honestly we need the brains and work ethic. Lord knows Americans are losing ours...

You make it sound as if there's suddenly some sort of dramatic pouring over the borders. Like we've reached a tipping point. The size of the immigrant population illegal or not has remained relatively static the past few years.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 03:31 PM

People are always going to overstay their visas. It's more than people sneaking across a border. We need the labor and honestly we need the brains and work ethic. Lord knows Americans are losing ours...

You make it sound as if there's suddenly some sort of dramatic pouring over the borders. Like we've reached a tipping point. The size of the immigrant population illegal or not has remained relatively static the past few years.

http://www.pewresear...ion-in-the-u-s/

 

 

So if we allow 12 million illegal aliens to stay here, why should anyone come to America the right way, and work to get citizenship?


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#25 Marshan Man

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 03:42 PM

So if we allow 12 million illegal aliens to stay here, why should anyone come to America the right way, and work to get citizenship?


1) it's not practicable to deport 12 million people

2) the fact that that population has stabilized means most immigrants come here "the right way" and they should all be given a path to citizenship if they so choose. A "path" doesn't mean a free ride. It means a reasonable process.
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 03:49 PM

1) it's not practicable to deport 12 million people

2) the fact that that population has stabilized means most immigrants come here "the right way" and they should all be given a path to citizenship if they so choose. A "path" doesn't mean a free ride. It means a reasonable process.

 

1. I know and I'm not advocating that we do. All I've said is that at some point, there has to be a direction taken. Either we open up the borders, or we start turning people away -- and sending back the ones who've fallen through the cracks. It's unfortunate that innocent people are being deported (like you mentioned earlier) but I do like the aggressive deportation of criminal foreigners. And it shouldn't just be for violent criminals either.

 

2. I'd wager many don't want any part of citizenship if it takes time and money. And many of them don't want to come out of the shadows for fear of being deported.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:13 PM

It's not the same formula Obama used if you've been paying attention...

No, it is enforcement of existing immigration law as it is written, not picking and choosing which parts to enforce and which parts to ignore.

 

I find it so pathetic that we hear all of this noise about the need to reform our immigration laws (and any such "reform" would make them less stringent than current law) because we have somewhere between 11 and 12 million undocumented persons in this country because we have failed to enforce the existing laws for decades. Clearly illegal immigration into this country got out of hand decades ago and we ignored it until it was a huge problem. Now the reformers want us to weaken the laws and create a path to some form of legal residency for millions of people simply because of the sheer number of them and the "hardship" they would bear if we enforced existing laws. SMH



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:53 PM

Why do some keep chirping this "we need to provide a path to citizenship" bullhockey???

 

A path to citizenship already exists dammitt.

 

The problem is that (apparently) many (most?) illegal immigrants don't want to become US citizens. Most of them have had plenty of time to get in line.


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#29 VOSA

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:00 PM

Where in the Constitution does it say people can be rounded up and expelled out of the country?

 

Where in the Constitution does it say foreigners have a right to come to this country?



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:08 PM

Here's the major difference in a nutshell

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As for the rest. It would be cruel and unusual to break up families...To send people away to a land where they don't know anyone or even speak the language or have any means to support themselves. It would be easier to just offer them a path to citizenship. Something GOPers refused to work with Obama to do.

How would you like it if someone sent you back to Italy if you found out today that through no fault of your own, you're not an American citizen.
And you're here illegally.

 

Nothing is preventing family members from following the deported individual back to the country to which said individual was deported.

 

There is already a path to citizenship. It's been around for over 100 years. Millions of people have followed it and become citizens. So why can't the people who are coming here illegally do the same?



#31 Marshan Man

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:08 PM

No, it is enforcement of existing immigration law as it is written, not picking and choosing which parts to enforce and which parts to ignore.

I find it so pathetic that we hear all of this noise about the need to reform our immigration laws (and any such "reform" would make them less stringent than current law) because we have somewhere between 11 and 12 million undocumented persons in this country because we have failed to enforce the existing laws for decades. Clearly illegal immigration into this country got out of hand decades ago and we ignored it until it was a huge problem. Now the reformers want us to weaken the laws and create a path to some form of legal residency for millions of people simply because of the sheer number of them and the "hardship" they would bear if we enforced existing laws. SMH

Laws mean nothing if hey can't be enforced. It's not a weakening of laws reformers want rather realistic laws that can be implemented and enforced.
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:09 PM

Why do some keep chirping this "we need to provide a path to citizenship" bullhockey???

A path to citizenship already exists dammitt.

The problem is that (apparently) many (most?) illegal immigrants don't want to become US citizens. Most of them have had plenty of time to get in line.

It's an unreasonable path for many. And again, if we didn't need the labor they wouldn't come here
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#33 Marshan Man

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:12 PM

Nothing is preventing family members from following the deported individual back to the country to which said individual was deported.

There is already a path to citizenship. It's been around for over 100 years. Millions of people have followed it and become citizens. So why can't the people who are coming here illegally do the same?


What good would it do to follow a family member back and lose your livelihood? At least they might be able to send them money until they got their footing in what's essentially a foreign country.

There weren't as many people here 100 years ago. Laws have changed and the old method is outdated
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:15 PM

What good would it do to follow a family member back and lose your livelihood? At least they might be able to send them money until they got their footing in what's essentially a foreign country.

There weren't as many people here 100 years ago. Laws have changed and the old method is outdated

Change the laws is the way to go but for now the current law must be followed by everyone.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:16 PM

I would never protest against legal immigrants. All are welcome. I would protest against those who have entered this country illegally.

 

Not sure why anyone wouldn't feel the same.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:26 PM

Change the laws is the way to go but for now the current law must be followed by everyone.

Good luck with that. :rolleyes:
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#37 Marshan Man

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:28 PM

I would never protest against legal immigrants. All are welcome. I would protest against those who have entered this country illegally.

Not sure why anyone wouldn't feel the same.

Maybe they feel like those immigrants that entered the country illegally are having a positive impact on their community. That's pretty much what they said. No?
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:46 PM

Maybe they feel like those immigrants that entered the country illegally are having a positive impact on their community. That's pretty much what they said. No?

 

Yup, you can do nice things to not let people on to you being here illegally .....



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:49 PM

It's an unreasonable path for many. And again, if we didn't need the labor they wouldn't come here

 

If we didn't need the labor ..???

 

Is there a sign out there somewhere that says come to the US, we need grass cutters and dishwashers and hotel staff. Our citizens don't want to do it ......



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 05:52 PM

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