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Americans aren't smart enough to become engineers?

That's a tough one to answer, but even if we had enough smart people to get good numbers, enough Americans don't want to be engineers.

 

Why? Some degrees, like civil engineering and computer science are kind of hard. Others, like electrical engineering and physics, are really, really hard. Even if the kids have the intelligence, nearly all lack the interest and motivation needed to achieve these degrees.

 

There's a great advantage to getting kids from other countries into our schools and workforce. Many of them end up naturalized US citizens and we get to poach the brains from other countries. This has been a huge advantage for us going back to at least the World War II period.

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So what is Trump's plan to generate more American engineers?

He probably thinks he could have gotten an engineering degree. Dude would not have put in the work. He would have washed out the second semester of calculus.

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That's a tough one to answer, but even if we had enough smart people to get good numbers, enough Americans don't want to be engineers.

 

Why? Some degrees, like civil engineering and computer science are kind of hard. Others, like electrical engineering and physics, are really, really hard. Even if the kids have the intelligence, nearly all lack the interest and motivation needed to achieve these degrees.

 

There's a great advantage to getting kids from other countries into our schools and workforce. Many of them end up naturalized US citizens and we get to poach the brains from other countries. This has been a huge advantage for us going back to at least the World War II period.

One thing I observed when I was in the computer science program was that some foreigners could talk about the course content conversationally like someone would discuss sports or their favorite beer.  It seems so anti-american to do that and I wish it would change.  I would like to see half of the reality tv dropped from cable and replaced with technical/science education.  Why can't there be a show called The Diffy-Q hour?  But I bet I'm getting a bunch of snickers now and this is why America is so behind the curve.

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One thing I observed when I was in the computer science program was that some foreigners could talk about the course content conversationally like someone would discuss sports or their favorite beer.  It seems so anti-american to do that and I wish it would change.  I would like to see half of the reality tv dropped from cable and replaced with technical/science education.  Why can't there be a show called The Diffy-Q hour?  But I bet I'm getting a bunch of snickers now and this is why America is so behind the curve.

 

Americans seem to like making fun of the smart people, the nerds so to speak.  Look at the movies and tv shows, teachers and A+ students are made fun of all the time.

 

I would love to see the reality tv shows gone and more intellectual show appear.  It almost seems to be a race to how dumb Americans can be.

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I'd like to see more American engineers but that requires long-term changes to our education systems

 

In the short-term, we need to import the best engineers from all over the world

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Americans seem to like making fun of the smart people, the nerds so to speak.  Look at the movies and tv shows, teachers and A+ students are made fun of all the time.

 

I would love to see the reality tv shows gone and more intellectual show appear.  It almost seems to be a race to how dumb Americans can be.

Hello mrsmlh..long time.

 

Regarding making fun. In regard to comedy IMO making fun on selected small groups  has always been a main stay. It goes way back to the 'Honey Mooners' and 'I love Lucy'. Ralph was an idiot and Lucy the ditzie red head. 'Our Gang Comedy' is another example....who can forget Buckwheat.

 

But in the light of political correctness...those comedy models went out of vogue (due to the womens right and black movements) so what are we left with. Well we now have our variation of Ralph...funny how it is always the over weight white guy that is the idiot or the nerds and teachers or two waitresess that are clueless.... that generally happen to be... guess what ...white.

 

JMTs on that .

 

I agree with you 1000000% about the trash on TV. Thank GOD for PBS and National Geographic. However, it is sounding like Trump may continue to dummy down the population by interferring with PBS. Guess he needs space for his come back as a reality show host after he is impeached, :D

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Americans aren't smart enough to become engineers?

 

No they are... just lazy and like glamor. Engineering takes thought and is NOT glamorous by a long shot and rarely do they make the news (except for some journal no one reads) or get face time unless they royally screw up. See the Mars mission where they forgot that trajectory calculations were done in European system (meters) and the control center was thinking the English system (feet).

 

As an example of lazy/glamor;  I offer my niece. Very intelligent women. Graduated top of her HS class. Went to Pitt with the idea of becoming a Doctor or Bio research. She didn't find it hard to get excellent grades but found those studies 'not cool' and 'not out in the world and glamorous'.

 

Soooooo she switched majors to ahhhhh Communications with the idea that she could become a 'social networking maven'. She again graduated at the top of the class. And guess what.....she is still looking for a job and works as a waitress. She graduated 2 years ago...what a waste.

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Hello mrsmlh..long time.

 

Regarding making fun. In regard to comedy IMO making fun on selected small groups  has always been a main stay. It goes way back to the 'Honey Mooners' and 'I love Lucy'. Ralph was an idiot and Lucy the ditzie red head. 'Our Gang Comedy' is another example....who can forget Buckwheat.

 

But in the light of political correctness...those comedy models went out of vogue (due to the womens right and black movements) so what are we left with. Well we now have our variation of Ralph...funny how it is always the over weight white guy that is the idiot or the nerds and teachers or two waitresess that are clueless.... that generally happen to be... guess what ...white.

 

JMTs on that .

 

I agree with you 1000000% about the trash on TV. Thank GOD for PBS and National Geographic. However, it is sounding like Trump may continue to dummy down the population by interferring with PBS. Guess he needs space for his come back as a reality show host after he is impeached, :D

 

Hi there, it has been a long time.  How ya doing?

 

It amazes me how many people (my daughter-in-law and her family for an example) love those reality tv shows and actually believe them.  I watch very little tv, usually just NCIS, NCIS NOLA, and The Big Bang Theory on network tv.  If not for PBS, National Geo and BBC, my tv wouldn't be turned on half as much as it is.

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Don't you guys have any faith in the kids here?  Many of these foreign kids are pushed very hard compared to how kids are pushed here. There is more discipline at home and in the schools in foreign countries. Let the teachers and parents discipline the kids instead of government getting involved. We are making them soft. To me many seem to be more concerned about foreigners then our American people here. 

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Hi there, it has been a long time.  How ya doing?

 

It amazes me how many people (my daughter-in-law and her family for an example) love those reality tv shows and actually believe them.  I watch very little tv, usually just NCIS, NCIS NOLA, and The Big Bang Theory on network tv.  If not for PBS, National Geo and BBC, my tv wouldn't be turned on half as much as it is.

 

To much T.V. crap is the problem. 

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Americans seem to like making fun of the smart people, the nerds so to speak.  Look at the movies and tv shows, teachers and A+ students are made fun of all the time.

 

I would love to see the reality tv shows gone and more intellectual show appear.  It almost seems to be a race to how dumb Americans can be.

 

And what mind set controls Hollywood ...???

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That's a tough one to answer, but even if we had enough smart people to get good numbers, enough Americans don't want to be engineers.

 

Why? Some degrees, like civil engineering and computer science are kind of hard. Others, like electrical engineering and physics, are really, really hard. Even if the kids have the intelligence, nearly all lack the interest and motivation needed to achieve these degrees.

 

There's a great advantage to getting kids from other countries into our schools and workforce. Many of them end up naturalized US citizens and we get to poach the brains from other countries. This has been a huge advantage for us going back to at least the World War II period.

 

Don't many of these kids also get their degrees and then return home ..???

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It's not just tv, movies and social media.  It is the whole of American society.  Look at how we elevate jocks and celebrities because they make millions and vilify teachers/academia as being to dumb to make millions.  

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Don't many of these kids also get their degrees and then return home ..???

One of the foriegn Engineering students I went to college with got his degree and stayed here. He works for a big Insurance company now

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