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#21 cprenegade

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:32 PM

Actually, the irresponsibility lies with the administration. AP floated the story to them and they had an opportunity to kill it and didn't.


It's not the responsibility of the WH to confirm or deny every rumor floated to them. It is the responsibility of the press to properly check out their sources and be certain that what they are reporting is true. If they could not ascertain the accuracy of the story, the responsible thing to do would be to hold it until such time that they received confirmation that it was true.
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#22 soulflower

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:37 PM

Guess now would be a good time for you to change your misleading thread title if that is the case.


DHS confirmed the policy was considered

Do you think they created an 11 page memo for fun?
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#23 FourTwenty

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:41 PM

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#24 MiddleOfTheRoad

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:44 PM

It's not the responsibility of the WH to confirm or deny every rumor floated to them. It is the responsibility of the press to properly check out their sources and be certain that what they are reporting is true. If they could not ascertain the accuracy of the story, the responsible thing to do would be to hold it until such time that they received confirmation that it was true.


Not sure why you're arguing the point. Trump is a clod, but there are some here who, given the path to the fountain of youth by Trump, would accuse him of trying to drown them.

#25 Ode2Joy

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:51 PM

DHS confirmed the policy was considered

Do you think they created an 11 page memo for fun?


Agencies do that all the time. Read and learn.

https://www.fema.gov...mbie-apocalypse

#26 karlydee2

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:54 PM

The Posse Comitatus Act prevents the Federalization of the National Guard except to prevent violence or insurrection.

The only 2 cases of valid use were Brown v. Board , and desegregating U Alabama -Tuscaloosa.

In 2008, military police officers were used to assist traffic control and other Leo actions during a murder spree, the use was found to violate the ACT

Then again, he thought Frederick Douglass was alive.

Edited by karlydee2, 17 February 2017 - 12:55 PM.


#27 Thirteen

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:55 PM

Agencies do that all the time. Read and learn.

https://www.fema.gov...mbie-apocalypse

 

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#28 gonzoliberal

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:01 PM

The Posse Comitatus Act prevents the Federalization of the National Guard except to prevent violence or insurrection.

The only 2 cases of valid use were Brown v. Board , and desegregating U Alabama -Tuscaloosa.

In 2008, military police officers were used to assist traffic control and other Leo actions during a murder spree, the use was found to violate the ACT

Then again, he thought Frederick Douglass was alive.

 

 

How long can the RNC hide his unfitness for duty?



#29 ivanbalt

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:04 PM

The Posse Comitatus Act prevents the Federalization of the National Guard except to prevent violence or insurrection.

The only 2 cases of valid use were Brown v. Board , and desegregating U Alabama -Tuscaloosa.

In 2008, military police officers were used to assist traffic control and other Leo actions during a murder spree, the use was found to violate the ACT

Then again, he thought Frederick Douglass was alive.

 

According to the article, the Guard would still be under state control.



#30 Dr Johnny Fever

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:08 PM

It's not the responsibility of the WH to confirm or deny every rumor floated to them. It is the responsibility of the press to properly check out their sources and be certain that what they are reporting is true. If they could not ascertain the accuracy of the story, the responsible thing to do would be to hold it until such time that they received confirmation that it was true.


Why?

When apparently the "if it's not true it should be" guideline is sufficient.

#31 karlydee2

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:16 PM

Agencies do that all the time. Read and learn.

https://www.fema.gov...mbie-apocalypse

Except, that wasn't FEMA planning for a zombie apocalypse.

It was a commentary by the public affairs director about a post on a completely separate blog.

The cited blog detailed what someone in a zombie apocalypse would need.

FEMA PUBLIC AFFAIRS was commenting that even satirical planning for fictional crises can yield valid useful ideas for real emergency preparedness.

If you read the link, you would know that.

Another example of STUPID trumpanzees, er alternatively intelligent, er

No just plain morons that can't be bothered to read

Edited by karlydee2, 17 February 2017 - 01:18 PM.


#32 zenwalk

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:18 PM

DHS confirmed the policy was considered

Do you think they created an 11 page memo for fun?

The WaPo notes the strength of the denial:

We now know the draft did exist -- in some form. The Department of Homeland Security denies it was written by Secretary John Kelly, as it appears in the memo and as AP reported. (It stands to reason that it was prepared as if Kelly had written it, when in fact he hadn't.) But DHS also tells The Post that the draft memo is real, despite being a "very early, pre-decisional draft that never made it to the secretary."

In other words, the White House seems to quibble with the idea that this is a proposal actively under consideration, but the memo is legit. Spicer's contention that this was "100 percent not true" doesn't really hold up.

At the same time, the White House doth protest a little too much here. Spicer seemed genuinely peeved that this was being reported, but it's not actually that outlandish an idea next to Trump's rhetoric on this issue. In fact, it sure sounds like what Trump talked about early in his campaign and as recently as November.


https://www.washingt...m=.853bfbe430a4


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:19 PM

You'll believe it when Halliburton starts building the camps.


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#34 karlydee2

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:20 PM

According to the article, the Guard would still be under state control.


If they act with federal authority, which they must to enforce immigration law, it violates the ACT.

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:32 PM

What exactly is the point of getting the National Guard involved? One would be hard pressed to say it is an emergency as illegal immigration has been a problem for decades. Otherwise they're having troops involved in law enforcement on US soil which is a no-no via the Posse Comitatus Act.

#36 bmorepunk

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:35 PM

What exactly is the point of getting the National Guard involved? One would be hard pressed to say it is an emergency as illegal immigration has been a problem for decades. Otherwise they're having troops involved in law enforcement on US soil which is a no-no via the Posse Comitatus Act.


There might be legal room for them to be involved if the functions aren't considered law enforcement, like when they were used on the border (mostly observation roles). I don't think it's a good idea but certain things can probably be done and pass legal muster.

#37 zenwalk

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:36 PM

What exactly is the point of getting the National Guard involved? One would be hard pressed to say it is an emergency as illegal immigration has been a problem for decades. Otherwise they're having troops involved in law enforcement on US soil which is a no-no via the Posse Comitatus Act.

Then the Orange One changes the law. Or makes a new emergency EO. Who knows. I doubt it will happen but I don't doubt immigration courts will become more overburdened until it is a totally incoherent sloppy mess. I don't doubt criteria for sending people back will be diluted. I don't doubt that the country in the end will be far worse off by the chaos this will trigger. Welcome to good old fashioned fascism.  Papers please.


Edited by zenwalk, 17 February 2017 - 01:38 PM.

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#38 gonzoliberal

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:40 PM

What exactly is the point of getting the National Guard involved? One would be hard pressed to say it is an emergency as illegal immigration has been a problem for decades. Otherwise they're having troops involved in law enforcement on US soil which is a no-no via the Posse Comitatus Act.

 

Why, to pander to the base and stir up the opposition, of course.

 

...and to create yet another distraction.

 

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#39 soulflower

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 02:04 PM

The WaPo notes the strength of the denial:
We now know the draft did exist -- in some form. The Department of Homeland Security denies it was written by Secretary John Kelly, as it appears in the memo and as AP reported. (It stands to reason that it was prepared as if Kelly had written it, when in fact he hadn't.) But DHS also tells The Post that the draft memo is real, despite being a "very early, pre-decisional draft that never made it to the secretary."

In other words, the White House seems to quibble with the idea that this is a proposal actively under consideration, but the memo is legit. Spicer's contention that this was "100 percent not true" doesn't really hold up.

At the same time, the White House doth protest a little too much here. Spicer seemed genuinely peeved that this was being reported, but it's not actually that outlandish an idea next to Trump's rhetoric on this issue. In fact, it sure sounds like what Trump talked about early in his campaign and as recently as November.


https://www.washingt...m=.853bfbe430a4


The AP has more credibility than the White House
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#40 Norman

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 02:06 PM

The AP has more credibility than the White House

So does my Ficus Tree...






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