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#21 Dr Johnny Fever

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 01:47 PM

This seems like classic DC. Identify an issue that may or may not even be a problem, overhype the severity, ignore that action has already been taken, apply some minor fix of your own, declare victory.
Just last year Obama put the US on track to spending 1 trillion over 30 years to update and modernize the nuclear arsenal.
http://www.npr.org/s...ing-to-upgrades


This thread is about bashing trump. Let's stay focused. ;)

#22 JoyinMudville

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 03:53 PM

I saw no mention by Trump of tactical nukes.   But I can tell you we still had them into the mid 80's.  

 

We have about 180 stationed in NATO countries at these airforce bases

 

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#23 JoyinMudville

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 03:54 PM

You are answering a question with a question.  Where should we rank?

 

Trump said we should not fall behind.  Should we?  How far?

 

We're not falling behind. Trump is an uninformed idiot. It's a dangerous situation.



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Posted 26 February 2017 - 03:59 PM

We're not falling behind. Trump is an uninformed idiot. It's a dangerous situation.

Trump didn't say we were falling behind, but that we wouldn't.  

 

I remember when the hero of the left talked about the missile gap to the irritation of Ike.  Kennedy was an uninformed idiot and THAT was a dangerous situation.  


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#25 dogstarman

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 05:20 PM

I saw no mention by Trump of tactical nukes.   But I can tell you we still had them into the mid 80's.  

 

Well then, you answer, how many more nukes should we have? 

 

Trump has no fathomable reason to start talking vaguely about nuclear weapons.

 

What, exactly, is the point of all this?



#26 bmorepunk

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 05:24 PM

This is the guy that talks about his junk onstage. And brings up Rosie O'Donnell out of nowhere during a Presidential debate. Questioning the lunacy is kind of pointless.

#27 volperdinger

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 06:20 PM

Out of 14,900 nuclear weapons in the World

We have 6800 - Russia has 7000

Which considering there are only 4037 cities in the world with a population of 100,000 people (and 95% of the population), after 4037 -- it doesn't really matter

https://fas.org/issu...nuclear-forces/

The Russkies and the U.S., have at least kept the arms race contained to saber rattling for numbers since the 1950's. Thanks to Obama and Kerry, the Mad Mullahs will of course ignore that unholy coalition, and thumb their noses at any attempt to hold them accountable.

Edited by volperdinger, 26 February 2017 - 06:20 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2017 - 06:21 PM

Trump didn't say we were falling behind, but that we wouldn't.  

 

I remember when the hero of the left talked about the missile gap to the irritation of Ike.  Kennedy was an uninformed idiot and THAT was a dangerous situation.  

 

Kennedy worked with Kruschev to ban above ground nuclear bomb testing. He also steadfastly refused to bow to the enormous pressure being put on him by the joint chiefs to invade Cuba and start World War III.



#29 volperdinger

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 08:14 PM

How pithy.


I concur.

#30 karlydee2

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 08:21 PM

 

 

We should have as many as we need to ensure their ACTUAL purpose of deterrence. If that means the USA can do with a few less than Russia, so be it.

 

 

~1700 deployed -- enough to wipe out 80% of the world population in the initial nuclear hellstorm, ruin the ecosystem of the planet for a few hundred thousand years, and maybe the human race survives, assuming the Ruskies don't retaliate.

 

To put it in perspective, those 1700 weapons are the equivalent of approximately 85,000 Hiroshimas  -- but the firestorms will be orders of magnitude more because cities are 100 to 1000 times more dense than in 1945.

 

If they do, then perhaps a few million years from now, intelligent cockroaches will be the dominant life form on Planet Earth.


Edited by karlydee2, 26 February 2017 - 08:30 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2017 - 08:24 PM

The Russkies and the U.S., have at least kept the arms race contained to saber rattling for numbers since the 1950's. Thanks to Obama and Kerry, the Mad Mullahs will of course ignore that unholy coalition, and thumb their noses at any attempt to hold them accountable.

 

So full of bovine excrement it is sad.

 

Obama and Kerry had nothing to do with it.

 

Saint Ronnie didn't step in in the 80's when Israel used Dimona to become a nuclear power.

 

-- but you don't want to address the real truth



#32 jdsample

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 09:07 PM

Kennedy worked with Kruschev to ban above ground nuclear bomb testing. He also steadfastly refused to bow to the enormous pressure being put on him by the joint chiefs to invade Cuba and start World War III.

He campaigned on a missile gap and very nearly started WW III.  His "steadfastness" led to the Bay of Pigs disaster.  He was obsessed with Cuber.  


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#33 volperdinger

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 09:41 PM

[quote name="karlydee2" post="7402810" timestamp="1488158651"]So full of bovine excrement it is sad.

Obama and Kerry had nothing to do with it.

Saint Ronnie didn't step in in the 80's when Israel used Dimona to become a nuclear power.

-- but you don't want to address the real truth[/quote

Dimona in the 80's? So what? How does that even remotely relate to a piece of garbage that was never submitted to Congress for ratification? The Iranian Parliament never approved it either. So it's not a treaty, an executive agreement, or a signed document by any definition, so it's binding exactly how?

Edited by volperdinger, 27 February 2017 - 10:21 PM.


#34 SmarterThanYou

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 09:39 AM

Trump didn't say we were falling behind, but that we wouldn't.  
 
I remember when the hero of the left talked about the missile gap to the irritation of Ike.  Kennedy was an uninformed idiot and THAT was a dangerous situation.



Does Trump have some (fake) evidence that we are in danger of "falling behind"? Is Russia violating the treaty on nukes? Certainly not from NK, Pakistan or Iran?

We all know this is just more saber rattling bravado by the bully-in-Chief...and his minions lap it up like the dogs they are (no disrespect to dogs, by the wAY).

Edited by SmarterThanYou, 27 February 2017 - 09:39 AM.


#35 jdsample

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 03:02 PM

We have about 180 stationed in NATO countries at these airforce bases

 

Incirik

Araxos

Aviano

Ramstein

Buchel

Lakenheath

Volkel

Kliene Broggel

Norvenich

 

There you go.  No danger that Trump will do something as stupid as introduce tactical nukes at those bases.  


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#36 jdsample

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 03:06 PM

Does Trump have some (fake) evidence that we are in danger of "falling behind"? Is Russia violating the treaty on nukes? Certainly not from NK, Pakistan or Iran?

We all know this is just more saber rattling bravado by the bully-in-Chief...and his minions lap it up like the dogs they are (no disrespect to dogs, by the wAY).

I have heard no plans to build a bunch of nukes, have you?  He merely said he won't allow us to fall behind.  OK.  We aren't behind right now, so untwist your panties.  


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#37 SmarterThanYou

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 03:26 PM

I have heard no plans to build a bunch of nukes, have you?  He merely said he won't allow us to fall behind.  OK.  We aren't behind right now, so untwist your panties.


How would any of us know?

Unless he has evidence that there is, or soon will be a nuke gap, what would be the rationale for making such a statement, in the first place? I guess it does help to appease and codify his brain-dead worshipers?

I've heard it said that the only thing scarier than Trump having his hands on nukes, is Trump having his hands on more nukes.

I don't wear "panties"? How about you? I like to "free flow"

Edited by SmarterThanYou, 27 February 2017 - 03:27 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2017 - 03:32 PM

What's the matter with spending a few billion more dollars on something we may never need to use?
"...reality has a well-known liberal bias"

#39 SmarterThanYou

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 03:36 PM

What's the matter with spending a few billion more dollars on something we may never need to use?


Same argument can be used against global warming efforts.

Since it's "fake news", why bother?

#40 jdsample

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 03:40 PM

How would any of us know?

Unless he has evidence that there is, or soon will be a nuke gap, what would be the rationale for making such a statement, in the first place? I guess it does help to appease and codify his brain-dead worshipers?

I've heard it said that the only thing scarier than Trump having his hands on nukes, is Trump having his hands on more nukes.

I don't wear "panties"? How about you? I like to "free flow"

 

So this is all just speculation and panic on the part of the left with no basis in fact.   Glad you cleared that up.  


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