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http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/02/a-leading-question-regarding-the-lineup.html

 

This is really getting beyond the point of pathetic.

 

Obtaining a legitimate leadoff hitter was a goal stated by the front office early in the offseason. What has Big Dan accomplished?

 

Nothing.

 

This team hasn't had a real leadoff hitter since Brian Roberts, at least 6 years ago.

 

They got lucky with Nick Markakis in 2012-2014, basically by throwing crap up against a wall & seeing if it sticks.

 

Manny Machado was not the answer in 2015.

 

The the free-swinging, impatient Adam Jones wasn't either in 2016.

 

At what point is Dan Duquette held accountable for not doing his job?

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Maybe Tavarez will turnout to be a leadoff hitter. 

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http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/02/a-leading-question-regarding-the-lineup.html

 

This is really getting beyond the point of pathetic.

 

Obtaining a legitimate leadoff hitter was a goal stated by the front office early in the offseason. What has Big Dan accomplished?

 

Nothing.

 

This team hasn't had a real leadoff hitter since Brian Roberts, at least 6 years ago.

 

They got lucky with Nick Markakis in 2012-2014, basically by throwing crap up against a wall & seeing if it sticks.

 

Manny Machado was not the answer in 2015.

 

The the free-swinging, impatient Adam Jones wasn't either in 2016.

 

At what point is Dan Duquette held accountable for not doing his job?

Who was available?

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?????

 

Big Dan said it was a PRIORITY to obtain one. He didn't. Failure for the fifth straight year.

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I think the situation takes care of itself if Rickard makes the team out of camp as Kim's platoon partner.

 

This way Kim can lead off against righties and Rickard can lead off against lefties.

 

The Orioles may not have a prototypical leadoff hitter, but I think they can cobble together a decent

leadoff hitter by utilizing what they have,.

 

By reding Buck';s comments in the article I don;t think that He is that concerned about it.

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Maybe Tavarez will turnout to be a leadoff hitter. 

 

I think this is possible, especially now that Bourn is out with a broken finger.  Don't count out Gentry either.  He is already drawing raves from Buck for his defense.  I like Rickard too, but he has options and could be stashed at AAA.  I know this was 3 years ago, but when Gentry was healthy with the Rangers in almost 300ABs he had a .373 OBP with 24 steals.  Kim better bring his A game this spring cause Buck ain't much of a fan.

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Joey Rickard now that Bourn is injured.

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Joey Rickard now that Bourn is injured.

Keeping in mind that all these decisions will be made as ST plays out, the thinking is that Rickard is expected to go down to Norfolk, since he has options. The two rule 5 guys and Gentry will be given priority, just so the team can keep them. 

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Keeping in mind that all these decisions will be made as ST plays out, the thinking is that Rickard is expected to go down to Norfolk, since he has options. The two rule 5 guys and Gentry will be given priority, just so the team can keep them. 

Yep.  With all the LH OFs , Gentry or Rickard almost have to make the team and I think its Gentry unless he is just terrible.  Smith should be a lock in RF.  If Bourn was healthy, Tavarez and Kim would be uncomfortable.

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Kim deserves a real shot to be the leadoff hitter, not to mention a real shot against southpaws. Unlike the large majority of his teammates, he's not afraid to take a pitch and make a pitcher work. And while Kim lacks speed, he is a smart baserunner.

 

As for Big Dan, he should be accountable for everything, including the fact that his team wins more than any other in the league.

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Kim deserves a real shot to be the leadoff hitter, not to mention a real shot against southpaws. Unlike the large majority of his teammates, he's not afraid to take a pitch and make a pitcher work. And while Kim lacks speed, he is a smart baserunner.

 

As for Big Dan, he should be accountable for everything, including the fact that his team wins more than any other in the league.

I agree that Kim deserves the chance to prove he can be a complete player (meaning that he can hit RH & LH pitching). The O's aren't a base running team, so I'm not going to waste my energy ranting on that topic. But working the count gives everyone following him, an early look at what pitches the opposition has working that night. If they discover that they have a speedy place setter to lead off, I think Kim slots perfectly into the #2 position. I liken him to Vizquel. He'll take a pitch, hit the pitch, where it's pitched, he'll go the other way.   

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Kim deserves a real shot to be the leadoff hitter, not to mention a real shot against southpaws. Unlike the large majority of his teammates, he's not afraid to take a pitch and make a pitcher work. And while Kim lacks speed, he is a smart baserunner.

 

As for Big Dan, he should be accountable for everything, including the fact that his team wins more than any other in the league.

 

Agree, but I can see Buck moving the checkers around in LF and RF all year.  He loves to tinker. It will give Buck and DD something to mess with other than the long relief spot.

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cough**Brett Gardner**cough

 

:)

His name came up in trade rumors more than once this winter. However, he's also 34 and due some $23 million over the next two years, so I don't see the Orioles being in the mix.

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Keeping in mind that all these decisions will be made as ST plays out, the thinking is that Rickard is expected to go down to Norfolk, since he has options. The two rule 5 guys and Gentry will be given priority, just so the team can keep them.

Keep in mind, Rickard brings a dimension to thus team that's sorely lackinf: the ability to steal bases.

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Keep in mind, Rickard brings a dimension to thus team that's sorely lackinf: the ability to steal bases.

Tavarez is also a speedy basestealer. 

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Whoever has the best OBP, and that is Kim.

 

I watched one of Kim's ABs yesterday and this guy can just flat out hit.  His bat looks super quick.  Roped a hard down cutter into RF.  He got thrown out at second, but what the heck.  Just as long as he is getting 400-50ABs this year I'll be happy.

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I agree that Kim deserves the chance to prove he can be a complete player (meaning that he can hit RH & LH pitching). The O's aren't a base running team, so I'm not going to waste my energy ranting on that topic. But working the count gives everyone following him, an early look at what pitches the opposition has working that night. If they discover that they have a speedy place setter to lead off, I think Kim slots perfectly into the #2 position. I liken him to Vizquel. He'll take a pitch, hit the pitch, where it's pitched, he'll go the other way.

Agree with this and also why I didn't like Jones at all in the leadoff spot. Drove me crazy with his first pitch swinging at balls out of the strike zone to start games or innings. Need a guy who can work the count in that role

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One thing I've never truly grasped is the major importance placed on the position of "leadoff" hitter. It's a fact they lead off in the first inning every game. After that, they may not lead off another inning.

 

Trust me, I understand the rationale. I just don't get how much fans sweat over something that is only guaranteed once a game.

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One thing I've never truly grasped is the major importance placed on the position of "leadoff" hitter. It's a fact they lead off in the first inning every game. After that, they may not lead off another inning.

 

Trust me, I understand the rationale. I just don't get how much fans sweat over something that is only guaranteed once a game.

Pretty good point

I wonder if leadoff is the now replaced by OBP which means Kim IMO should be that guy

Nothing like starting off inning 1 with a run or 2

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So, from what I'm reading here from "real" Oriole fans, it's ok that Big Dan and Peter Angelos haven't addressed the leadoff hitter void, even though the Front Office has identified it as a "priority."

 

I guess that's fine, it's been 17 years since Peter Angelos was too cheap too pay Mike Mussina & we haven't had a real ace since.

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One thing I've never truly grasped is the major importance placed on the position of "leadoff" hitter. It's a fact they lead off in the first inning every game. After that, they may not lead off another inning.

 

Trust me, I understand the rationale. I just don't get how much fans sweat over something that is only guaranteed once a game.

Unless you're the current Orioles where the lineup typically goes 9 up 9 down to start the game. I'm not being sarcastic here I'd be shocked if another team did this more often than the Orioles have over the last few years.

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Unless you're the current Orioles where the lineup typically goes 9 up 9 down to start the game. I'm not being sarcastic here I'd be shocked if another team did this more often than the Orioles have over the last few years.

Yeah, the Wild Card Game.

 

How predictable was that?

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A few thoughts/ points regarding leadoff hitters.

 

Good leadoff hitters tend to set the tone for the rest of the lineup by working at bats and getting on base. And what better way to start a game off then by having the first batter of the game make the pitcher work, get on base, maybe into scoring position (speed comes in handy here) and then potentially getting brought around to score in the first inning.

 

That's the next point, again, you want a leadoff guy who can get on base for your #2 hitter who typically is one of the top two hitters on the team and then for the power hitting run producers in the #3 and #4 spots.

 

Having a 'traditional' type leadoff hitter doesn't have as much to do with starting off the game or inning as it does setting the table for the #2, #3, #4 hitters in the lineup regardless of how many outs there are.

 

Lastly, mathematically the leadoff hitter in a lineup will have the most at bats every game, so again, you want a guy who can get on base and get into scoring position for your best hitters and RBI producers.

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