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Orioles still trying to figure out leadoff hitter.

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No doubt.  Lough was terrible and Felix Pie was even worse.  On the flip side a guy like Markakis wasn't fast but a very good base runner.  I think the point being is that this team for the last 4 or 5 years is strictly a station to station offense.  Its won a pile of games, but has come up short in the playoffs A little change up wouldn't hurt.  I'm hoping Rickard, Tavarez and/or Bourn can give us that little jump on maybe manufacturing some runs when the power dries up.  Really sick of all the games we lose because we only score 0-2 runs.  Then we score 10.  Whoopee.  It still only counts for one win.

I followed you, I just wanted to get another Lough dig in, before the season starts, and he becomes a completely irrelevant reference.  :P

 

But yes, I was just bored to sleep last season. They were so uninteresting to watch. Power first teams are always exploited and dismantled in the playoffs. Any pitcher that faced the O's could completely ignore baserunners, and put total focus on the batter. Because everyone knew they weren't going to run. And I can only think of one time, where an O's runner realized no one was aware of him, and stole a base. I'm pretty sure it was Trumbo. He crept off the base, then extended his lead, and no one reacted, so he strolled over to 2B. By the time the catcher had the ball, he was already standing there, waiting for the next pitch.

 

And that doesn't aid the O's hitters, because no pitcher ever has to sacrifice throwing a breaking ball, for fear that an O's runner will steal. So they have their full arsenal for every pitch. With a Tavarez (just an example) on the bases, it really reduces the chances that a pitcher will throw a curve, because it may go in the dirt, and that's as good as a sac. bunt. And a change up...forget it. If he tracks it, he'll be standing on 2B, waiting for the throw down.

 

One of my favorite baseball sayings is, speed never takes a day off.  

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Something tells me that Kim more than held his own against LHP overseas.

 

Again, it's all about giving him a fair opportunity to prove himself in spring training. But we all know that Buck didn't exactly do that for Kim this time last year.

I agree, I bet he has.

 

Buck benched him vs a LHP yesterday. ST is exactly the time to play him vs. lefties to see what he can do.

 

But it's Buck being Buck.

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I agree, I bet he has.

 

Buck benched him vs a LHP yesterday. ST is exactly the time to play him vs. lefties to see what he can do.

 

But it's Buck being Buck.

Exactly.

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Buck is a great manager but there are parts of his managing that I don't agree with and they are ignoring the need for a leadoff hitter and adding speed and OBP to the lineup. He's spoken on it many times and he's completely fine having a strictly power lineup and I'm tired of hearing that "that's what our ballpark is built for." I'm in spring training getting ready to post stats about how many games we've lost because we've scored less than 4 runs like I do every year.

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Buck is a great manager but there are parts of his managing that I don't agree with and they are ignoring the need for a leadoff hitter and adding speed and OBP to the lineup. He's spoken on it many times and he's completely fine having a strictly power lineup and I'm tired of hearing that "that's what our ballpark is built for." I'm in spring training getting ready to post stats about how many games we've lost because we've scored less than 4 runs like I do every year.

Believe me, I hear you but the problem is throughout baseball, not just the Orioles.  Everyone with half a brain knows the Orioles have to improve their OBP but who are they going to get?  There's maybe a handful of players in the sport that can draw walks, make contact and get on base.  Good luck trying to find them and when you do, are they available?  Probably not.  The solution is simply a mind set and demanding the players on the Orioles to do it.  Like you said, Showalter is a very good manager but if he doesn't hold the hitters accountable for their plate discipline, then that's on him. Some hitters just have a terrible sense of what is a strike and what isn't but then you have you the "I don't care what it is, I'm swinging" mentality. I think that covers most of the Oriole line-up, with Adam Jones being the most obvious culprit.  It is what it is.  All you can hope for is that the starting rotation improves over last year and allows the team to stay competitive. 

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Buck is a great manager but there are parts of his managing that I don't agree with and they are ignoring the need for a leadoff hitter and adding speed and OBP to the lineup. He's spoken on it many times and he's completely fine having a strictly power lineup and I'm tired of hearing that "that's what our ballpark is built for." I'm in spring training getting ready to post stats about how many games we've lost because we've scored less than 4 runs like I do every year.

 

  I agree that Buck Showalter is an excellent manager. However, my biggest issue with him last season was his inability to adjust when the team was floundering during the stretch. IMO, He did not use Kim enough when the team was in a hitting. Further, While I know that the orioles do not have an abundance of team speed, you have to steal bases to put pressure on the opposition. Lastly, when the team was slumping He did not adjust. IMO, He should have utilized the steal more with Bourn, and Jones, used the hit and run, and bunted at times. IMO, the Orioles problem is not building the team around the power that the line up brings, the problem is the lack of adjustment by Buck when the offense is quieted.

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Here's the thing, Kim has the best OBP by far and the best approach at the plate. You can improve the team OBP by getting him more AB's and seeing what he can do against LHP. Apparently he was OK against lefties in Korea. So why not try him out in ST? Last year he pretty much benched Kim in ST and tried to force him to AAA. It made no sense then and it makes no sense now.

 

Buck's a great manager but he's very much set in his ways and very anti-advanced statistical anything. Can't argue with what he's done so far but nothing lasts forever.

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Buck has been a great field manager. But as Pickle alluded to, he seems to be sticking with what worked in the past, while ignoring that the game is evolving. Kind of like Ozzie's approach with the Ravens. There's a reason why one dimensional power hitters aren't drawing much interest on the open market, the past couple of off seasons. It's because GMs realize those guys can be pretty easily held in check, in the big moments. Trumbo can hit HRs, and nothing else. No one is going to pay you $30M/yr to strike out 200+ times, while barely getting on base, just because you can go yard 40 times in 650+ ABs.    

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We had a good one in Fowler lined up but he decided to go with a team that could win a world series.

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God. You are a miserable person.

?????

 

So, you don't think it's an issue that this team hasn't found an ace or leadoff hitter?

 

Gotcha.

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We had a good one in Fowler lined up but he decided to go with a team that could win a world series.

 

Duquette refused to do the player option. 

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Duquette refused to do the player option. 

That's not entirely the truth. it was reported from various sources that Fowler originally agreed to a contract offered. But then, right before he was about to sign it, wanted to add the player option. IMO (and the opinions of others), the Cubs contacted him at the last moment and he wanted to find a way out of his agreement with the Orioles and knew that they would not go with a player option.

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