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James Comey is “incredulous” about the ravings of the guy he handed the presidency to


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#21 soulflower

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:04 PM

That still wouldn't explain why anyone would be listening to calls at Trump Tower if they were listened to. That would require evidence that a crime was being committed which would require a warrant or that communications with a foreign government were going on, which would require a FISA warrant. If law enforcement and intelligence can just willy-nilly listen to everyone, then we have a problem.


There's no evidence that the phones at Trump Tower were Tapped

Trump associates had been in contact with Russian diplomats and spies. The Russian diplomats and Spies were under surveillance, not Trump's associates

Edited by soulflower, 08 March 2017 - 04:07 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:05 PM

How could he not know? How stupid is he?

Russian diplomats are routinely recorded.


Flynn worked in Military Intelligence. If he didn't know the Russian embassy is under heavy surveillance, he's incompetent
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:06 PM

That still wouldn't explain why anyone would be listening to calls at Trump Tower if they were listened to. That would require evidence that a crime was being committed which would require a warrant or that communications with a foreign government were going on, which would require a FISA warrant. If law enforcement and intelligence can just willy-nilly listen to everyone, then we have a problem.

Sigh.

NOT if the calls were to/from a Russian on whom intel was routinely listening.

Conversations typically have 2 sides.🙄

Edited by ms maggie, 08 March 2017 - 04:06 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:07 PM

That still wouldn't explain why anyone would be listening to calls at Trump Tower if they were listened to.  That would require evidence that a crime was being committed which would require a warrant or that communications with a foreign government were going on, which would require a FISA warrant.  If law enforcement and intelligence can just willy-nilly listen to everyone, then we have a problem.

It doesn't sound like you read the link about the leaks. Apparently Comey doesn't believe Trump Tower was bugged. That is what makes this a story. 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:11 PM

Sigh.

NOT if the calls were to/from a Russian on whom intel was routinely listening.

Conversations typically have 2 sides.

I don't think they could tap Donny's personal lines in Trump Towes without a FISA order. 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:46 PM

Maybe Comey should have picked one side and stuck with it , seems like he kept switching sides, he certainly seems like a very confused person, I have to wonder how he ever got the job in the first place 



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:47 PM

I don't think they could tap Donny's personal lines in Trump Towes without a FISA order. 

Of course they couldn't, they always, always follow the letter and spirit of the law



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:56 PM

That still wouldn't explain why anyone would be listening to calls at Trump Tower if they were listened to.  That would require evidence that a crime was being committed which would require a warrant or that communications with a foreign government were going on, which would require a FISA warrant.  If law enforcement and intelligence can just willy-nilly listen to everyone, then we have a problem.

I hope there's not a moment in the Big Dunce's day when he's not being monitored. Children need that for structure.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:04 PM

The ridiculous myth that Comey caused Hillary to lose is really out of vogue now. Hillary caused Hillary to lose. End of story.

  

Hitting the nail on the head, so to speak.


The link provides a graph that shows otherwise, but I understand how you wouldn't want to accept this, tarnishing your Dear Leader's victory more than it already is, what with him losing the popular vote and his campaign colluding with a foreign power for help.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:05 PM

Maybe Comey should have picked one side and stuck with it , seems like he kept switching sides, he certainly seems like a very confused person, I have to wonder how he ever got the job in the first place


Just because he found that Hillary broke no laws doesn't mean he was on her side, disappointing as that may be.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:07 PM

Comey didn't "cause" her to lose but his stunt did hurt her.
Bernie would have won. Anyone denying that is just fooling themselves.


You should look at the graph in the article.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:21 PM

The chart in the article makes a big assumption that one particular incident is totally responsible for Hillary Clinton's slide. Her final slide occurred with two weeks to go before the election, a time when most undecided voters begin to break one way or the other. He offers no concrete evidence that Comey's letter was the one piece in a campaign full of mis-steps that drove people out of the Clinton column and into the Trump column. In fact, new articles days after Comey's letter were pushing the narrative that his letter had little or no effect on the campaign. It certainly didn't help her, and of course it would damage her to a degree, but it wasn't the single factor cited by people who chose not to vote, or to throw their support behind Jill Stein. The chart also shows a drop in her negatives from -11% to -37% three weeks prior to the Comey letter. Hillary lost because of a cumulative set of things, not simply because of one letter that was largely discredited soon after.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:23 PM

 

Comey didn't "cause" her to lose but his stunt did hurt her.

Bernie would have won. Anyone denying that is just fooling themselves.

 

I agree that Sanders would have won, although there are many democrats who still disagree with this. Sanders would have held the vote that stayed home and switched to Stein and that would have been enough to take the swing states that went to Trump. Trump fully maximized his votes. I can't see anyone who didn't vote for him already switching to him over Sanders.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:26 PM

 
 
I agree that Sanders would have won, although there are many democrats who still disagree with this. Sanders would have held the vote that stayed home and switched to Stein and that would have been enough to take the swing states that went to Trump. Trump fully maximized his votes. I can't see anyone who didn't vote for him already switching to him over Sanders.


When you look at the graph and see Hillary's numbers plunge with the Comey announcement, such speculation seems rather pointless.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 06:12 PM

Comey is seeing the ship he helped launch start sinking.

 

His change of heart isn't surprising, just loathsome.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 06:14 PM

  
The link provides a graph that shows otherwise, but I understand how you wouldn't want to accept this, tarnishing your Dear Leader's victory more than it already is, what with him losing the popular vote and his campaign colluding with a foreign power for help.

 

The link itself is a lie. There are no more blind as those who will not see.



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 06:18 PM

 

"James Comey is “incredulous” about the ravings of the guy he handed the presidency to. 

The FBI director was reportedly flabbergasted when President Trump alleged that Barack Obama had ordered Trump’s “wires tapped” in the weeks before the election, and is restlessly waiting for the Department of Justice to refute Trump’s claims. 

 

One course of action Comey might consider is refuting Trump himself, with a reminder that the FBI spent most of October not wiretapping Trump, but investigating and leaking about Hillary Clinton, before Comey himself landed her campaign a fatal blow, and handed his new tormentor the presidency. 

 

This chart comes from Brad Fay of Engagement Labs, who says Comey’s infamous letter to Congress announcing the FBI had uncovered a new cache Clinton emails, (which turned out to be nothing, but could have been the smoking gun which proved she did Benghazi) was decisive in the election....Comey can’t unfoul this bed. But when his Trump-Russian inquiries have run their course he owes the world an accounting. Just for starters. "

 

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 06:49 PM

Comey didn't "cause" her to lose but his stunt did hurt her.

Bernie would have won. Anyone denying that is just fooling themselves.

His "stunt" was orchestrated by Obama.  Comey's job was to gather information.  Evidence.  Not make a determination on whether to prosecute.  But Barry could not make that decision (publically), nor could the person whose job was to make that decision after her felonious runway rendezvous with Bill Clinton to talk about nothing except grandchildren.  

 

I think he did the next best thing to resigning.  He obediently said Hillary would not be prosecuted but laid out each and every article needed to produce a conviction.  


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 06:53 PM

His "stunt" was orchestrated by Obama.  Comey's job was to gather information.  Evidence.  Not make a determination on whether to prosecute.  But Barry could not make that decision (publically), nor could the person whose job was to make that decision after her felonious runway rendezvous with Bill Clinton to talk about nothing except grandchildren.  

 

I think he did the next best thing to resigning.  He obediently said Hillary would not be prosecuted but laid out each and every article needed to produce a conviction.  

Orchestrated by Obama in the sense that Obama, stupidly on his part, appointed him as FBI director.



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 07:04 PM

Orchestrated by Obama in the sense that Obama, stupidly on his part, appointed him as FBI director.

 

At least he was obedient.  Pretty sure that was the only criterion in a corrupt administration.   But damn it, he told the truth.  So he obeyed your command to say Hillary should not be prosecuted, but the MFer laid out a complete case for why she should be.  


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