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#1 Baltimatt

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 10:00 AM

https://twitter.com/...213360197144576

 

Wow. Police say 63 yr old woman found dead, no signs of trauma, medical examiner declined to investigate. Then:

Funeral home said they saw possible signs of trauma to the victim's neck & head. Now her 32 yr old son has been charged with strangling her

She was almost put into the ground with no questions asked, until the funeral home reported their observations..

 

 


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Posted 10 March 2017 - 10:11 AM

Maybe Hogan should take a look at the Medical Examiner's office like he did with the crab expert he fired. This overlooking of evidence is seriously bad news.

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 11:37 AM

 http://www.baltimore...0310-story.html

A 32-year-old man has been charged with murder in the strangling death of his 63-year-old mother in her Northeast Baltimore home after funeral home employees preparing the woman's body for burial discovered signs of trauma to her head and neck that had not been apparent to law enforcement, police said Friday.

Erich Justin Kuhn was arrested Thursday and transported to Central Booking, charged with first- and second-degree murder, first- and second-degree assault, and weapons charge, police said.

 

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Officers were first called to the home of his mother Cathy Kuhn — in the 5900 block of Glenoak Avenue, in the city's Glenham Belhar neighborhood — about 3:50 p.m. Wednesday after her husband came home and found her unresponsive, said Lt. Jarron Jackson, a police spokesman.

 


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Posted 10 March 2017 - 11:51 AM

Maybe this was the city police not wanting a murder on the books.  Gotta keep them stats down


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 06:07 AM

63 seems kind of young for them to assume a "natural death" and decline to examine the woman. Did anyone in law enforcement even both to look for trauma? Appears not.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 09:21 AM

Maybe this was the city police not wanting a murder on the books. Gotta keep them stats down

And what motivation would the police have for doing this? :rolleyes:

Edited by Heisenberg, 17 March 2017 - 09:21 AM.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 11:46 PM



Maybe this was the city police not wanting a murder on the books.  Gotta keep them stats down

Article The medical examiner determines death, not the police. In every call for a DOA or a suspicious death, the medical examiner is notified. 



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:47 AM

Article The medical examiner determines death, not the police. In every call for a DOA or a suspicious death, the medical examiner is notified. 

At the time, signs of trauma "were not apparent" and officers did not suspect foul play, Jackson said. Police communicated their observations to the medical examiner's office, which "declined to come out" to the scene, he said.

 

i would say that both the police and ME are guilty of being lazy at best


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:48 AM

And what motivation would the police have for doing this? :rolleyes:

To keep crime statistic lower

To avoid work/paperwork

Because they were lazy, poorly trained, jaded, and/or just unqualified for the job


Edited by demopublican, 19 March 2017 - 07:49 AM.

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#10 Ode2Joy

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:11 AM

Article The medical examiner determines death, not the police. In every call for a DOA or a suspicious death, the medical examiner is notified.


The medical examine doesn't come out if the police say that they did not find evidence of foul play and think it was a natural death.

This was a really big failure by the police and the state needs to change procedures at the medical examiner's instead of relying on a phone call from the cops.

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 06:26 PM

Maybe Hogan should take a look at the Medical Examiner's office like he did with the crab expert he fired. This overlooking of evidence is seriously bad news.

 

Ahhh I think you are confusing city and state jurisdictions. NOW if you said the Mayor should be checking into it or the useless council should be looking into it.

 

But maybe you are correct. Maybe Hogan should look into it...since it seems that the city gooberment can't find it's butt with both hands.

 

BTW if you followed the 'crab lady' story. She was one of about seven other people 'let go' in different departments. Yes a bit strange as she seemed to be doing a good job. But in the public sector how many people (or even yourself) have been fired that were doing a good job for no discernible  reason?



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:05 PM

Ahhh I think you are confusing city and state jurisdictions. NOW if you said the Mayor should be checking into it or the useless council should be looking into it.

 

But maybe you are correct. Maybe Hogan should look into it...since it seems that the city gooberment can't find it's butt with both hands.

 

BTW if you followed the 'crab lady' story. She was one of about seven other people 'let go' in different departments. Yes a bit strange as she seemed to be doing a good job. But in the public sector how many people (or even yourself) have been fired that were doing a good job for no discernible  reason?

 

Medical Examiners fall under the Maryland State Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.


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#13 AugusteDupin

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:17 PM

The medical examine doesn't come out if the police say that they did not find evidence of foul play and think it was a natural death.

This was a really big failure by the police and the state needs to change procedures at the medical examiner's instead of relying on a phone call from the cops.

I never said they come out, I said they are notified. Based on what the police say, determines whether the ME comes out to a scene or not. Keep in mind that the police are not doctors or EMT's. They are not (legally) trained to rule out causes of death. 



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:21 PM

To keep crime statistic lower

To avoid work/paperwork

Because they were lazy, poorly trained, jaded, and/or just unqualified for the job

In your "theory", if the police deemed no foul play, why would they want to keep the "crime statistic lower"? If it was a "natural death" why would they care about lowering the "crime statistic".

 

I guarantee a report was filed.

 

They are not trained to rule out causes of death. 

 

Your points are inconsequential. 



#15 Baltimatt

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:02 PM

This isn't really an appropriate place for reminiscences about the old neighborhood.  Those comments have been moved to http://talk.baltimor...of-old-hamiton/ on Open Mike.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 08:30 PM

This isn't really an appropriate place for reminiscences about the old neighborhood. Those comments have been moved to http://talk.baltimor...of-old-hamiton/ on Open Mike.


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