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Ravens Trade Jeremy Zuttah To San Francisco 49ers

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Wasnt oline an issue

Thats 2 big holes to fill

Perhaps they find a better performing one in free agency with the cap savings. Just a guess. After last season, is anyone here really going to miss the guy? Particularly at what he was being paid. Edited by bmore_ken

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Not surprised they got rid of them, although it can be said that the Ravens at least got something in return for Zuttah.

 

Now you have to wonder what the corresponding move will be to fill the vacancy.

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Perhaps they find a better performing one in free agency with the cap savings. Just a guess. After last season, is anyone here really going to miss the guy? Particularly at what he was being paid.

I don't remember exactly which game it was, but he had several key penalties that in my view cost the game by negating big plays. The team can find better.

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I don't remember exactly which game it was, but he had several key penalties that in my view cost the game by negating big plays. The team can find better.

And probably for less.

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The ravens made some mistakes but this should get them younger hopefully better.

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Wasnt oline an issue

Thats 2 big holes to fill

hopefully they get a center in the draft and don't try to replace Zuttah with Urschel.

The need a C, RT and WR still, and I'm sure they'll pick up a CB and get a DE to replace Dumervil as well.

Need a successful draft this go round.

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Zuttah was better suited for blocking in Kubiak's offense, where he didn't have to hold blocks straight up vs big DL for long. If SF runs that, then they'll probably be happy with him. If the Ravens had continued running that, we probably would have been happier with him. But asking him to hold ground against bull rushes and stunts and blitzes, in obvious passing situations... not his specialty. The Ravens shouldn't have been asking him to do so to begin with.

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If there was ever a case of addition by subtraction, this is it.  Zuttah singlehandedly cost the Ravens two games last year.

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I don't remember exactly which game it was, but he had several key penalties that in my view cost the game by negating big plays. The team can find better.

 

Might have been Dallas

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I don't see this as a bad thing, Zuttah had his troubles all year long. The only problem I see is that the Ravens are spending a lot of money on the defense and not leaving themselves a lot of room to improve an offense that has a lot of holes.

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I don't see this as a bad thing, Zuttah had his troubles all year long. The only problem I see is that the Ravens are spending a lot of money on the defense and not leaving themselves a lot of room to improve an offense that has a lot of holes.

I think that has more to do with free agent availability than a lack of effort at filling offensive holes. Who's out there on offense do you think they can go after that they can afford? I think the bottom line is Ozzy's drafts the last few years have been hit or miss. This year he has to hit a home run or this team is in trouble.

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I don't see this as a bad thing, Zuttah had his troubles all year long. The only problem I see is that the Ravens are spending a lot of money on the defense and not leaving themselves a lot of room to improve an offense that has a lot of holes.

 

The worst holes are on the line for sure.  I like their WR group, but that is predicated on Perriman continuing to emerge.  He showed signs.  He will be expected to take a major step forward in his role, unless the Ravens decide to grab a FA WR.  Losing Dixon hurts, but he'll be back.  Wouldn't worry much other than maybe drafting an RB in the mid rounds maybe for depth.  TE is stacked.  QB is set.  I think Ozzy is going to make a move or two to improve the line before the draft.  I also think they might draft an OL pretty high, or possible a WR if one falls into their laps.

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The worst holes are on the line for sure.  I like their WR group, but that is predicated on Perriman continuing to emerge.  He showed signs.  He will be expected to take a major step forward in his role, unless the Ravens decide to grab a FA WR.  Losing Dixon hurts, but he'll be back.  Wouldn't worry much other than maybe drafting an RB in the mid rounds maybe for depth.  TE is stacked.  QB is set.  I think Ozzy is going to make a move or two to improve the line before the draft.  I also think they might draft an OL pretty high, or possible a WR if one falls into their laps.

I'm hoping they get Mike Williams or Christian McCaffrey in round 1. The only other guys I would select ahead of them: Derek Barnett or Reuben Foster.  I think Reuben Foster is the best defensive player in the draft.

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I'm hoping they get Mike Williams or Christian McCaffrey in round 1. The only other guys I would select ahead of them: Derek Barnett or Reuben Foster. I think Reuben Foster is the best defensive player in the draft.

I'd just add WR corey davis to this list. I think he'll have an impact faster than Mike Williams but would be excited with either. Our WR corp is atrocious right now I'd say worse than the OL. If Perriman or Wallace gets injured we're cooked.

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I'd love Williams but I doubt he'll be on the board when they pick.

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I just have a feeling they're going to pick another OL.

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I wish they would've kept Wagner and let Brandon walk. And I would like to see the draft that center from Ohio state. O-line should be priority 1. JMHO

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I just have a feeling they're going to pick another OL.

I could see them trading down a few spots to pick O-line. Not a strong class from what I'm reading so top 15 value /BPA won't likely match up at 16.

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I could see them trading down a few spots to pick O-line. Not a strong class from what I'm reading so top 15 value /BPA won't likely match up at 16.

I just hope they truly take the top player on their board. I don't care if it's defensive, O-line, or a skill position. Take the guy you think is the best football player and stock this team with talent again. There are too few guys on this squad that are capable of making game-changing plays.

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I know it's not popular but my dream is they trade up to take Fournette. Here's the Scouting Profile from Walter Football who I've come to trust over the years- if you go back and read their profiles they're pretty well connected to the scouts around the league and gather pretty strong intel.

 

Leonard Fournette Scouting Report 

 
By Charlie Campbell 
 

Strengths: 

  • Explosive 
  • Elusive; has moves in the open field to dodge blockers 
  • Fast; can break off long touchdown runs 
  • Threat to score on any carry 
  • Rare acceleration 
  • Great balance 
  • Tough, physical runner 
  • Power back who can run over defenders 
  • Vicious stiff-arm 
  • Excellent vision 
  • Great feet 
  • Cutting ability 
  • Has returned kicks 
  • Ideal build and size 
  • Gets lots of yards after contact 
  • Finishes runs well 
  • Ideal build and size 
  • Burst to the hole 
  • Has great straight-line speed to pull away from defenders 
  • Shiftiness; will juke defenders 
  • Nice hands 
  • Has receiving ability 
  • Willing blocker in blitz pickup with potential to be very good 
  • Hard-nosed runner between the tackles 
  • Has a nose for the end zone 
  • Wears down defenses 
  • Excellent knee bend 
  • Runs behind his pads 
  • Runs well in the second half 
  • Perfect fit for a zone-blocking system 
  • Perfect fit for a man-blocking system 
  • Intimidates defenses 
  • Ball security 
  • Plays injured 
  • Kick return skills 
  • Solid character 


 

Weaknesses: 

  • Durability 
  • Weight concerns 

  • Summary: There are many star recruits in college football who never live up the hype, but that was not the case when it came to Fournette. Before he even took his first carry at LSU, there were comparisons being made to Adrian Peterson. Those are huge expectations for any player, but Fournette ended up validating the hype.  

    Fournette had a strong freshman season in 2014, averaging 5.5 yards per carry on 187 rushes for 1,034 yards and 10 touchdowns. But as a sophomore, he showed why the hype was justified with a terrific season. Fournette was in the running as the best player in the country as he carried LSU's team. He averaged 6.5 yards per carry for 1,953 yards with 22 touchdowns in 2015, plus he caught 19 passes for 253 yards with a touchdown. Fournette had a number of long gains called back as well.  

    Fournette's junior season never took off as he had a preseason ankle injury that lingered all year. The LSU training staff had Fournette in a boot, and the program went out of its way to ask NFL scouts to not let that information leak prior to the season opener against Wisconsin. Fournette played in the opener and a number of games, but never was 100 percent. In fact, he looked like was playing at 75 percent all year. He didn't have the same power, explosion or speed. Still, the junior set a school record of 284 rushing yards on 16 carries against Ole Miss with touchdown runs of 59, 76 and 78 yards in an epic performance. Entering the bowl game in which he didn't play, Fournette had averaged 6.5 yards per carry for 843 yards with eight touchdowns. He had 15 receptions for 146 yards as well. While it was a subdued regular season, NFL sources aren't soured at all on Fournette. 

    As a player, Fournette is the real deal. I think, as a prospect, he is slightly better than Todd Gurley entering the NFL, and I know scouts who have graded Fournette higher than Gurley. 

    Fournette is very fast with a burst to hole and a second gear in the open field to take the ball the distance. He has rare acceleration and takes away angles from defenders with speed. While Fournette is a fast back, he also is a power back who can run through tackles and bulldoze defenders trying to tackle him. Fournette is very tough to stop in short-yardage situations and on the goal line. He has a perfect combination of speed and power.  

    On top of having a great combination of size, power and speed, Fournette is elusive in the open field. He has excellent feet, vision, patience and balance. Fournette uses that combination of all those to spin away from defenders, weave around them, and cut through small openings to pick up more yards. Fournette has a superb ability to run while bending at the knee, which allows him to run behind his pads and helps him to bounce off tacklers. Many backs his size have a tendency to run too upright, but Fournette is very good to bend until he gets in the open field and turns on the afterburners. 

    Fournette also has flashed some nice hands and route-running as a receiver. He is a willing blocker, and he should quickly turn into a three-down starter once he learns NFL blitz schemes and pass protection. Fournette was a weapon to return kickoffs in college, but in the NFL, his team will want to protect him from injury and not use him in the return game.  

    The only real concerns regarding Fournette are durability after an injury-plagued junior year and some other minor injuries in the previous seasons. Some teams have concerns about Fournette's ankle and fear it could be prone to re-injury. At the combine, Fournette was heavier than expected, so some could feel that his weight will need to be monitored closely in the NFL.

    For the NFL, Fournette looks like he has the ability to be a franchise player like Peterson. Dominant running backs can make a big difference in the win/loss column, and Fournette could make any offense difficult regardless of the quarterback. Fournette is a threat to score every time he touches the ball. He looks like a future franchise player and Pro Bowl running back - if he can stay healthy. His play thus far has made him worthy of those Peterson comparisons. 


     
    Player Comparison: Adrian Peterson. In terms of running style, Fournette's closest comparison is Peterson. Both have the power to run through defenders, the speed to run away from them, and the elusiveness to dodge them in the open field. Peterson is a devastating runner capable of putting his team on his back and carrying the team to wins. Fournette has similar potential for the NFL. I think Fournette could end up being a dominant runner of Peterson's caliber. 

    NFL Matches: San Francisco, Jacksonville, New York Jets, Carolina and Cincinnati 

    There are a lot of teams that could take Fournette even though they don't have a need at the position because he is an electric play-maker who could have a huge impact at providing wins for his team. At the top of the 2017 NFL Draft, Fournette could be a turnaround piece for depressed franchises.  

    San Francisco was hoping for a breakout year from Carlos Hyde, but it didn't happen. Hyde has had durability problems in his first three seasons and will be entering the final year of his contract. Fournette would be an instant upgrade for the 49ers' offense.  

    The Jaguars could consider taking Fournette because he is such a special talent. Tom Coughlin isn't tied to the drafting of T.J. Yeldon or the signing of Chris Ivory. Additionally, having a weapon like Fournette could help the Jaguars' attempt to salvage Blake Bortles before he goes bust. 

    With the sixth pick, the Jets are a great fit for Fournette. General manager Mike Maccagnan is strict with taking the best player available, and Fournette would certainly be that if gets to New York's pick. Fournette could make a big difference for whomever is the Jets' starting quarterback, especially if it is a youngster like Christian Hackenberg or Bryce Petty.  

    Adding Fournette to Cam Newton could be an insane combination of running ability for the Panthers. Jonathan Stewart turns 30 prior to the 2017 NFL Draft and didn't have a strong 2016 season for Carolina. Additionally, Stewart has had durability issues throughout his career. If Fournette gets to the Panthers' pick, he could be too good to pass up. Adding Fournette could instantly put the Panthers back in Super Bowl contention. 

    Many think the Bengals wouldn't pass on Fournette if he gets to their selection at ninth-overall. Fournette would be an upgrade over Jeremy Hill, who had a disappointing 2016 season and is in a contract year. 

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Just about every mock I've seen has him in the top 10. I don't see Oz going there.

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