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#21 Slidemaster

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 06:45 PM

I could see them trading down a few spots to pick O-line. Not a strong class from what I'm reading so top 15 value /BPA won't likely match up at 16.


I just hope they truly take the top player on their board. I don't care if it's defensive, O-line, or a skill position. Take the guy you think is the best football player and stock this team with talent again. There are too few guys on this squad that are capable of making game-changing plays.

Edited by Slidemaster, 19 March 2017 - 06:46 PM.

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#22 poefolks

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:39 PM

I know it's not popular but my dream is they trade up to take Fournette. Here's the Scouting Profile from Walter Football who I've come to trust over the years- if you go back and read their profiles they're pretty well connected to the scouts around the league and gather pretty strong intel.

 

Leonard Fournette Scouting Report 

 
By Charlie Campbell 
 

Strengths: 

  • Explosive 
  • Elusive; has moves in the open field to dodge blockers 
  • Fast; can break off long touchdown runs 
  • Threat to score on any carry 
  • Rare acceleration 
  • Great balance 
  • Tough, physical runner 
  • Power back who can run over defenders 
  • Vicious stiff-arm 
  • Excellent vision 
  • Great feet 
  • Cutting ability 
  • Has returned kicks 
  • Ideal build and size 
  • Gets lots of yards after contact 
  • Finishes runs well 
  • Ideal build and size 
  • Burst to the hole 
  • Has great straight-line speed to pull away from defenders 
  • Shiftiness; will juke defenders 
  • Nice hands 
  • Has receiving ability 
  • Willing blocker in blitz pickup with potential to be very good 
  • Hard-nosed runner between the tackles 
  • Has a nose for the end zone 
  • Wears down defenses 
  • Excellent knee bend 
  • Runs behind his pads 
  • Runs well in the second half 
  • Perfect fit for a zone-blocking system 
  • Perfect fit for a man-blocking system 
  • Intimidates defenses 
  • Ball security 
  • Plays injured 
  • Kick return skills 
  • Solid character 



 

Weaknesses: 

  • Durability 
  • Weight concerns 


  • Summary: There are many star recruits in college football who never live up the hype, but that was not the case when it came to Fournette. Before he even took his first carry at LSU, there were comparisons being made to Adrian Peterson. Those are huge expectations for any player, but Fournette ended up validating the hype.  

    Fournette had a strong freshman season in 2014, averaging 5.5 yards per carry on 187 rushes for 1,034 yards and 10 touchdowns. But as a sophomore, he showed why the hype was justified with a terrific season. Fournette was in the running as the best player in the country as he carried LSU's team. He averaged 6.5 yards per carry for 1,953 yards with 22 touchdowns in 2015, plus he caught 19 passes for 253 yards with a touchdown. Fournette had a number of long gains called back as well.  

    Fournette's junior season never took off as he had a preseason ankle injury that lingered all year. The LSU training staff had Fournette in a boot, and the program went out of its way to ask NFL scouts to not let that information leak prior to the season opener against Wisconsin. Fournette played in the opener and a number of games, but never was 100 percent. In fact, he looked like was playing at 75 percent all year. He didn't have the same power, explosion or speed. Still, the junior set a school record of 284 rushing yards on 16 carries against Ole Miss with touchdown runs of 59, 76 and 78 yards in an epic performance. Entering the bowl game in which he didn't play, Fournette had averaged 6.5 yards per carry for 843 yards with eight touchdowns. He had 15 receptions for 146 yards as well. While it was a subdued regular season, NFL sources aren't soured at all on Fournette. 

    As a player, Fournette is the real deal. I think, as a prospect, he is slightly better than Todd Gurley entering the NFL, and I know scouts who have graded Fournette higher than Gurley. 

    Fournette is very fast with a burst to hole and a second gear in the open field to take the ball the distance. He has rare acceleration and takes away angles from defenders with speed. While Fournette is a fast back, he also is a power back who can run through tackles and bulldoze defenders trying to tackle him. Fournette is very tough to stop in short-yardage situations and on the goal line. He has a perfect combination of speed and power.  

    On top of having a great combination of size, power and speed, Fournette is elusive in the open field. He has excellent feet, vision, patience and balance. Fournette uses that combination of all those to spin away from defenders, weave around them, and cut through small openings to pick up more yards. Fournette has a superb ability to run while bending at the knee, which allows him to run behind his pads and helps him to bounce off tacklers. Many backs his size have a tendency to run too upright, but Fournette is very good to bend until he gets in the open field and turns on the afterburners. 

    Fournette also has flashed some nice hands and route-running as a receiver. He is a willing blocker, and he should quickly turn into a three-down starter once he learns NFL blitz schemes and pass protection. Fournette was a weapon to return kickoffs in college, but in the NFL, his team will want to protect him from injury and not use him in the return game.  

    The only real concerns regarding Fournette are durability after an injury-plagued junior year and some other minor injuries in the previous seasons. Some teams have concerns about Fournette's ankle and fear it could be prone to re-injury. At the combine, Fournette was heavier than expected, so some could feel that his weight will need to be monitored closely in the NFL.

    For the NFL, Fournette looks like he has the ability to be a franchise player like Peterson. Dominant running backs can make a big difference in the win/loss column, and Fournette could make any offense difficult regardless of the quarterback. Fournette is a threat to score every time he touches the ball. He looks like a future franchise player and Pro Bowl running back - if he can stay healthy. His play thus far has made him worthy of those Peterson comparisons. 


     
    Player Comparison: Adrian Peterson. In terms of running style, Fournette's closest comparison is Peterson. Both have the power to run through defenders, the speed to run away from them, and the elusiveness to dodge them in the open field. Peterson is a devastating runner capable of putting his team on his back and carrying the team to wins. Fournette has similar potential for the NFL. I think Fournette could end up being a dominant runner of Peterson's caliber. 

    NFL Matches: San Francisco, Jacksonville, New York Jets, Carolina and Cincinnati 

    There are a lot of teams that could take Fournette even though they don't have a need at the position because he is an electric play-maker who could have a huge impact at providing wins for his team. At the top of the 2017 NFL Draft, Fournette could be a turnaround piece for depressed franchises.  

    San Francisco was hoping for a breakout year from Carlos Hyde, but it didn't happen. Hyde has had durability problems in his first three seasons and will be entering the final year of his contract. Fournette would be an instant upgrade for the 49ers' offense.  

    The Jaguars could consider taking Fournette because he is such a special talent. Tom Coughlin isn't tied to the drafting of T.J. Yeldon or the signing of Chris Ivory. Additionally, having a weapon like Fournette could help the Jaguars' attempt to salvage Blake Bortles before he goes bust. 

    With the sixth pick, the Jets are a great fit for Fournette. General manager Mike Maccagnan is strict with taking the best player available, and Fournette would certainly be that if gets to New York's pick. Fournette could make a big difference for whomever is the Jets' starting quarterback, especially if it is a youngster like Christian Hackenberg or Bryce Petty.  

    Adding Fournette to Cam Newton could be an insane combination of running ability for the Panthers. Jonathan Stewart turns 30 prior to the 2017 NFL Draft and didn't have a strong 2016 season for Carolina. Additionally, Stewart has had durability issues throughout his career. If Fournette gets to the Panthers' pick, he could be too good to pass up. Adding Fournette could instantly put the Panthers back in Super Bowl contention. 

    Many think the Bengals wouldn't pass on Fournette if he gets to their selection at ninth-overall. Fournette would be an upgrade over Jeremy Hill, who had a disappointing 2016 season and is in a contract year. 


#23 Slidemaster

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:59 PM

I'd be all in on Fournette.
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:04 PM

Just about every mock I've seen has him in the top 10. I don't see Oz going there.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:15 PM

Run game isnt a huge need imo
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:17 PM

Run game isnt a huge need imo


They just need talent. Who on the team is particularly talented outside of a handful of defensive starters? Maybe Perriman? Yanda? Is there anyone else?
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:29 PM

They just need talent. Who on the team is particularly talented outside of a handful of defensive starters? Maybe Perriman? Yanda? Is there anyone else?

I agree they need talent but put Leonard behind a terrible line in the nfl will only have the fanbase ownership and FO looking silly

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:31 PM

I don't look at fournette and just think run game. IMO he affects every aspect from offense to defense. He'll improve Flacco just by virtue of passing less, running more. He'll batter teams and bleed them out in the 4th quarter- giving our defense rest when they need it. All those 3rd and longs we had? Now they're mostly 3rd and shorts. Defenses will start moving 8, 9 in the box, thereby freeing up speedsters on the outside to go one on one.

 

He changes the face of the franchise if he pans out. You also don't have to worry as much about finding an o-lineman. Just watch his tape- He's his own o-line if that makes sense.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:40 PM

I don't look at fournette and just think run game. IMO he affects every aspect from offense to defense. He'll improve Flacco just by virtue of passing less, running more. He'll batter teams and bleed them out in the 4th quarter- giving our defense rest when they need it. All those 3rd and longs we had? Now they're mostly 3rd and shorts. Defenses will start moving 8, 9 in the box, thereby freeing up speedsters on the outside to go one on one.

 

He changes the face of the franchise if he pans out. You also don't have to worry as much about finding an o-lineman. Just watch his tape- He's his own o-line if that makes sense.

You're assuming Marty will change his philosophy. We already had running backs who could do that if the OC was willing. The line needs help with Zuttah and Wagner gone. The last thing we need to do is waste a 1st rd pick on a rb running behind a weak line


Edited by bmore_ken, 19 March 2017 - 08:41 PM.

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#30 poefolks

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:41 PM

I agree they need talent but put Leonard behind a terrible line in the nfl will only have the fanbase ownership and FO looking silly

Build up front is what i would do

 

 

I know your game bleeding... you just want cincy to take him so you can watch him run us over the next decade or so!



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:48 PM

I know your game bleeding... you just want cincy to take him so you can watch him run us over the next decade or so!

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:49 PM

You're assuming Marty will change his philosophy. We already had running backs who could do that if the OC was willing. The line needs help with Zuttah and Wagner gone

 

That's true- I'm assuming Marty isn't an idiot but maybe that's where I'm an idiot! Also our line is okay- it's not great but not terrible either. Zuttah gone actually helps if you ask me- I think taking him off our line will improve it. If Dixon averaged over 4 yds a carry last yr Fournette should get 5. We have Stanley and Lewis (no longer rookies) with Yanda - those three are pretty good. We can draft a center in round 3 I think, and hopefully develop some of our own guys. This team is good at finding O-line gems it seems. 



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:51 PM

You're assuming Marty will change his philosophy. We already had running backs who could do that if the OC was willing. The line needs help with Zuttah and Wagner gone. The last thing we need to do is waste a 1st rd pick on a rb running behind a weak line

Agreed
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Dixon would be great behind a much improved line

Upgrades needed at the WR/Oline/DB position
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:53 PM

You know what- it's a pipe dream as it is. I think he's gone within top 5 or 6 and we won't slaughter our draft picks to go get him. But right now till April 30th or whenever the hell the draft is I can dream of fournette in purple.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:56 PM

I wouldnt be surprised if Ozzie trades down
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:00 PM

I wouldnt be surprised if Ozzie trades down

 

 

Neither would I. Esp. for an O-line man - he could easily trade down a few spots and get Cam or Ramzyck, and then take a center as well in the 3rd. It's like the disgustingly bitter medicine you don't want to take but in the end you know it'll make you better...



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:38 AM

Agreed
West
Woodhead
Dixon would be great behind a much improved line

Upgrades needed at the WR/Oline/DB position

 

Totally agree on all points.

 

I'm really hoping Ozzie has a repeat of the 2016 draft and knocks it out of the park.  Do that, and this team will be very good for the foreseable future. 

 

I still maintain that the Ravens have the fewest holes and fewest questions of any team in the AFCN, and I will go out on a limb and say if they play their cards right they can be at the top of it for the next five years or so until they need to replace Flacco and probably start over a bit.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:49 PM

That's true- I'm assuming Marty isn't an idiot but maybe that's where I'm an idiot! Also our line is okay- it's not great but not terrible either. Zuttah gone actually helps if you ask me- I think taking him off our line will improve it. If Dixon averaged over 4 yds a carry last yr Fournette should get 5. We have Stanley and Lewis (no longer rookies) with Yanda - those three are pretty good. We can draft a center in round 3 I think, and hopefully develop some of our own guys. This team is good at finding O-line gems it seems. 

Loosing wagner makes the line waaaay worse. And Zuttah was horrible. We need at least one more blue chipper on the o-line. Bottom line, when Joe has time he can pick apart a defense. But if he has any pressure at all he's terrible since the injury. Whether or not he gun shy makes a big difference and if you look at the film the interior line was a jail break. This is the first year I've ever felt we need to address a position in the first round. I've been a BPA guy every draft, but the window is closing on Joe and he needs a superior o-line, not just "0k" at this point in his career. I'm gonna look at FA for Wagner right now. I didn't think they would let him walk. I think that is a big mistake.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:20 PM

Anyone know why there seems to be no interest in Mangold? Too old? Too pricey?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:21 PM

I just can't get excited about spending a top pick on a RB when the coaching staff the last two seasons has basically acted like calling a running play is against the rules.  I didn't see it as anywhere near a top weakness talent-wise when they actually CALLED a run.  They just flat out refused to call it.  I mean, this offense led the NFL in pass/run ratio last season.  Week after week John and/or the OC would talk about how they wanted to run more, they would run more, etc... then did the opposite EVERY single Sunday.  Until they act like they can run a balanced offense, no need to waste a high pick on a RB.


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