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What Does It Mean to Have a 'Right' to Health Care?

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Actually, I didn't meet any steel workers today. And your "...out of the chaos of a decentralized economy, order arises" quote is quite laughable.

Chances are you got your coffee from a grocery store or a coffee shop. If that is the case there is plenty of reason to believe the coffee was shipped to the store in a truck. There is also plenty of reason to believe that truck has steel components in it. Those components being the product of steel workers.

 

From chaos to order.

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Chances are you got your coffee from a grocery store or a coffee shop. If that is the case there is plenty of reason to believe the coffee was shipped to the store in a truck. There is also plenty of reason to believe that truck has steel components in it. Those components being the product of steel workers.

 

From chaos to order.

I actually roast my own coffee, maybe try another "chaos" scenario?

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I agree with that. It's why Libertarian notions of an unleashed sunny world without regulation is hogwash.  Costco, Sam's Club and those sort of big box stores make a living everyday by buying in bulk. If government were to do this they would be called socialist.  Except of course when it's social security or medicare.  

 

You are right that there is no inherent right to healthcare as rights are conferred by law.

Costco and Sam's Club get their money from their customers and in returns gives them products they want. Government takes in the form of taxation and may or may not give back what the citizens want. Equating these two just doesn't work.

 

That said, I'm glad you agree that there is no inherent right to healthcare.

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I actually roast my own coffee, maybe try another "chaos" scenario?

Do you grow it as well?

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I actually roast my own coffee, maybe try another "chaos" scenario?

 

You don't grow your own coffee beans.  Wherever you obtained them, there is a truck in the background.

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I actually roast my own coffee, maybe try another "chaos" scenario?

Did you grow your own coffee? Did you pick it yourself? Was no other person involved in it? I'll wager there was.

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Costco and Sam's Club get their money from their customers and in returns gives them products they want. Government takes in the form of taxation and may or may not give back what the citizens want. Equating these two just doesn't work.

 

That said, I'm glad you agree that there is no inherent right to healthcare.

There's lots of things that the government does that I would rather not be party to but that's life. Government is about public interest - not your private interest.

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What's with the fascination with trucks?

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Did you grow your own coffee? Did you pick it yourself? Was no other person involved in it? I'll wager there was.

The batch I have now I did indeed pick it myself.

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What's with the fascination with trucks?

They're nearly ubiquitous in the delivery of goods yet are rarely thought about, much less the steel workers who make the trucks possible. Yet out of this chaos a cup of coffee is easily come by.

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The batch I have now I did indeed pick it myself.

The roaster, the cup, the coffee pot...

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Costco and Sam's Club get their money from their customers and in returns gives them products they want. Government takes in the form of taxation and may or may not give back what the citizens want. Equating these two just doesn't work.

 

That said, I'm glad you agree that there is no inherent right to healthcare.

But Costco has women's clothing. Why should my Costco membership pay for something I don't need?

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The roaster, the cup, the coffee pot...

And your point again? :lol:

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But Costco has women's clothing. Why should my Costco membership pay for something I don't need?

You mean you allow Costco to steal money from you like that? :D :D

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And your point again? :lol:

Trucks are nearly ubiquitous in the delivery of goods yet are rarely thought about, much less the steel workers who make the trucks possible. Yet out of this chaos a cup of coffee is easily come by.

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Trucks are nearly ubiquitous in the delivery of goods yet are rarely thought about, much less the steel workers who make the trucks possible. Yet out of this chaos a cup of coffee is easily come by.

K  now what?

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Classical liberalism.

 

I suppose I could have dug up something about the civil war or gun control. ;)

Classic liberalism opposed workers' rights and supported the supremacy of corporations over individuals. It also didn't support universal suffrage and didn't support the govt protecting the right to vote.

 

This infatuation with classic liberalism needs a cold dose of facts.

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K  now what?

I'd love to here the arguments for replacing this with single payer trucking and/or single payer steel working.

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So people who live in countries that have universal healthcare don't enjoy human rights?

Bummer.

Every time I see the subject of 'Universal Health Care' argued over on these boards I shake my head and wonder what makes such an otherwise forward thinking first world country like America so damn backward. To ignore all the good examples of fine 'socialised' health care services around the world today is just plain crazy.

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Classic liberalism opposed workers' rights and supported the supremacy of corporations over individuals. It also didn't support universal suffrage and didn't support the govt protecting the right to vote.

 

This infatuation with classic liberalism needs a cold dose of facts.

I could say the same about state supremacy and the notion of slavery.

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C'mon Ken, don't just be a spectator. :blink:

Nope, this is better entertainment than a March Madness game between a 1 and a 16 :D

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Every time I see the subject of 'Universal Health Care' argued over on these boards I shake my head and wonder what makes such an otherwise forward thinking first world country like America so damn backward. To ignore all the good examples of fine 'socialised' health care services around the world today is just plain crazy.

Should the bad examples be ignored?

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Trucks are nearly ubiquitous in the delivery of goods yet are rarely thought about, much less the steel workers who make the trucks possible. Yet out of this chaos a cup of coffee is easily come by.

Is there a connection between your handle and this fascination with trucks?

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It is a shallow view of human rights to live at the expense of your fellow man.

So again, people who live in oh Canada, Bermuda, Spain, Norway etc etc, these people don't enjoy liberty?

 

Pretty sure they do.

 

Poor dears. Have no idea they are living with a "shallow view of human rights". Mighty good for longevity that shallow view of human rights thingy.

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Should the bad examples be ignored?

Oh! I would never ignore you.

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