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What Does It Mean to Have a 'Right' to Health Care?


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#21 ncbirdfan

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:21 PM

I knew this would be fun to watch :lol: :lol: :lol:

C'mon Ken, don't just be a spectator. :blink:



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:23 PM

That is the core of a successful representative government. We the People work together for the common good. That is why when you go to work there are paved roads and there are safety measures such as stop signs, red lights, speed limits, etc. Cars also have to meet legal safety requirements. If we all just fended for ourselves, chaos would prevail.


Yet out of the chaos of a decentralized economy, order arises. Did you thank a steel worker for your cup of coffee this morning?

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:26 PM

 

Man cannot live by economic law alone.

 

Indeed, many people can't survive on it.


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#24 ncbirdfan

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:27 PM

Yet out of the chaos of a decentralized economy, order arises. Did you thank a steel worker for your cup of coffee this morning?

Actually, I didn't meet any steel workers today. And your "...out of the chaos of a decentralized economy, order arises" quote is quite laughable.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:28 PM

From the article:
 

I agree with that. It's why Libertarian notions of an unleashed sunny world without regulation is hogwash.  Costco, Sam's Club and those sort of big box stores make a living everyday by buying in bulk. If government were to do this they would be called socialist.  Except of course when it's social security or medicare.  

You are right that there is no inherent right to healthcare as rights are conferred by law.  


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:30 PM

Actually, I didn't meet any steel workers today. And your "...out of the chaos of a decentralized economy, order arises" quote is quite laughable.


Chances are you got your coffee from a grocery store or a coffee shop. If that is the case there is plenty of reason to believe the coffee was shipped to the store in a truck. There is also plenty of reason to believe that truck has steel components in it. Those components being the product of steel workers.

From chaos to order.

#27 ncbirdfan

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:32 PM

Chances are you got your coffee from a grocery store or a coffee shop. If that is the case there is plenty of reason to believe the coffee was shipped to the store in a truck. There is also plenty of reason to believe that truck has steel components in it. Those components being the product of steel workers.

From chaos to order.

I actually roast my own coffee, maybe try another "chaos" scenario?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:33 PM

I agree with that. It's why Libertarian notions of an unleashed sunny world without regulation is hogwash.  Costco, Sam's Club and those sort of big box stores make a living everyday by buying in bulk. If government were to do this they would be called socialist.  Except of course when it's social security or medicare.  

You are right that there is no inherent right to healthcare as rights are conferred by law.


Costco and Sam's Club get their money from their customers and in returns gives them products they want. Government takes in the form of taxation and may or may not give back what the citizens want. Equating these two just doesn't work.

That said, I'm glad you agree that there is no inherent right to healthcare.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:33 PM

I actually roast my own coffee, maybe try another "chaos" scenario?


Do you grow it as well?

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:34 PM

I actually roast my own coffee, maybe try another "chaos" scenario?

 

You don't grow your own coffee beans.  Wherever you obtained them, there is a truck in the background.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:34 PM

I actually roast my own coffee, maybe try another "chaos" scenario?


Did you grow your own coffee? Did you pick it yourself? Was no other person involved in it? I'll wager there was.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:36 PM

Costco and Sam's Club get their money from their customers and in returns gives them products they want. Government takes in the form of taxation and may or may not give back what the citizens want. Equating these two just doesn't work.

That said, I'm glad you agree that there is no inherent right to healthcare.

There's lots of things that the government does that I would rather not be party to but that's life. Government is about public interest - not your private interest.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:37 PM

What's with the fascination with trucks?


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#34 ncbirdfan

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:41 PM

Did you grow your own coffee? Did you pick it yourself? Was no other person involved in it? I'll wager there was.

The batch I have now I did indeed pick it myself.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:42 PM

What's with the fascination with trucks?


They're nearly ubiquitous in the delivery of goods yet are rarely thought about, much less the steel workers who make the trucks possible. Yet out of this chaos a cup of coffee is easily come by.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:43 PM

The batch I have now I did indeed pick it myself.


The roaster, the cup, the coffee pot...

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:44 PM

Costco and Sam's Club get their money from their customers and in returns gives them products they want. Government takes in the form of taxation and may or may not give back what the citizens want. Equating these two just doesn't work.

That said, I'm glad you agree that there is no inherent right to healthcare.

But Costco has women's clothing. Why should my Costco membership pay for something I don't need?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:45 PM

The roaster, the cup, the coffee pot...

And your point again? :lol:



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:46 PM

But Costco has women's clothing. Why should my Costco membership pay for something I don't need?

You mean you allow Costco to steal money from you like that? :D :D


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:46 PM

And your point again? :lol:


Trucks are nearly ubiquitous in the delivery of goods yet are rarely thought about, much less the steel workers who make the trucks possible. Yet out of this chaos a cup of coffee is easily come by.




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