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What Does It Mean to Have a 'Right' to Health Care?


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#41 zenwalk

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:47 PM

Trucks are nearly ubiquitous in the delivery of goods yet are rarely thought about, much less the steel workers who make the trucks possible. Yet out of this chaos a cup of coffee is easily come by.

K  now what?


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#42 ms maggie

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:49 PM

Classical liberalism.

I suppose I could have dug up something about the civil war or gun control. ;)


Classic liberalism opposed workers' rights and supported the supremacy of corporations over individuals. It also didn't support universal suffrage and didn't support the govt protecting the right to vote.

This infatuation with classic liberalism needs a cold dose of facts.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:49 PM

K  now what?


I'd love to here the arguments for replacing this with single payer trucking and/or single payer steel working.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:52 PM

So people who live in countries that have universal healthcare don't enjoy human rights?
Bummer.


Every time I see the subject of 'Universal Health Care' argued over on these boards I shake my head and wonder what makes such an otherwise forward thinking first world country like America so damn backward. To ignore all the good examples of fine 'socialised' health care services around the world today is just plain crazy.
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#45 SemiAuto

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:52 PM

Classic liberalism opposed workers' rights and supported the supremacy of corporations over individuals. It also didn't support universal suffrage and didn't support the govt protecting the right to vote.

This infatuation with classic liberalism needs a cold dose of facts.


I could say the same about state supremacy and the notion of slavery.

#46 bmore_ken

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:52 PM

C'mon Ken, don't just be a spectator. :blink:


Nope, this is better entertainment than a March Madness game between a 1 and a 16 :D
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#47 SemiAuto

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:53 PM

Every time I see the subject of 'Universal Health Care' argued over on these boards I shake my head and wonder what makes such an otherwise forward thinking first world country like America so damn backward. To ignore all the good examples of fine 'socialised' health care services around the world today is just plain crazy.


Should the bad examples be ignored?

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:55 PM

Trucks are nearly ubiquitous in the delivery of goods yet are rarely thought about, much less the steel workers who make the trucks possible. Yet out of this chaos a cup of coffee is easily come by.

Is there a connection between your handle and this fascination with trucks?


Edited by FatBoy, 20 March 2017 - 01:00 PM.

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#49 ms maggie

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:55 PM

It is a shallow view of human rights to live at the expense of your fellow man.


So again, people who live in oh Canada, Bermuda, Spain, Norway etc etc, these people don't enjoy liberty?

Pretty sure they do.

Poor dears. Have no idea they are living with a "shallow view of human rights". Mighty good for longevity that shallow view of human rights thingy.

#50 ncbirdfan

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:55 PM

Should the bad examples be ignored?

Oh! I would never ignore you.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:56 PM

I'd love to here the arguments for replacing this with single payer trucking and/or single payer steel working.

Apples and oranges. Exploiting the ill to the point where they have to remortgage the house should speak for itself. It's repellant.  This isn't about the elective of buying coffee.


Edited by zenwalk, 20 March 2017 - 12:58 PM.

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#52 ms maggie

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:56 PM

Should the bad examples be ignored?


Bad relative to the US? What examples would those be?

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:57 PM

Should the bad examples be ignored?


First, name one. And if you can, then of course it should be discounted if it doesn't match your needs.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:57 PM

I'd love to here the arguments for replacing this with single payer trucking and/or single payer steel working.

I'm still not getting this truck/chaos angle. Are you saying truck drivers drive carelessly, thus causing chaos?


Edited by ncbirdfan, 20 March 2017 - 12:58 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:02 PM

I'm still not getting this truck/chaos angle. Are you saying truck drivers drive carelessly, thus causing chaos?

You're not getting it because it's ridiculous :D


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#56 SemiAuto

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:02 PM

Bad relative to the US? What examples would those be?


Venezuela, Cuba, the Soviet Union, communist China. The ones that face planted.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:02 PM

I'm still not getting this truck/chaos angle. Are you saying truck drivers drive carelessly, thus causing chaos?


:D :D :D :D
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:03 PM

I'm still not getting this truck/chaos angle. Are you saying truck drivers drive carelessly, thus causing chaos?


Post #26.

The idea that order can and does arise out of chaos. If you don't like coffee, pick something else.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:07 PM

Post #26.

The idea that order can and does arise out of chaos. If you don't like coffee, pick something else.

I like coffee. I'm drinking it now. I like it black...



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:10 PM

:D :D :D :D


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It has a nice sound to it

Suggs has signed. I've never been so happy to be wrong

Don't blame me, I voted Bob Barr:cool:




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