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So much for fair Redistricting and an end to Gerrymandering

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The Dems did leave a door open to fair redistricting, but it involves other states.  Not sure why what they do should affect Maryland doing the right thing, but there it is.

 

"Democratic leaders have rebuffed Hogan's attempt to change the way the state draws congressional boundaries, calling for instead a national shift where states dominated by Republicans and Democrats each changed how they drew boundaries. They have likened changing Maryland's system alone to unilateral disarmament.

Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller and House Speaker Michael E. Busch issued a joint statement promising to pass what they called the Mid-Atlantic Regional Compact. If New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina all pass the same deal, the state's would each draw congressional districts using an independent commission.

The next redistricting process will take place after the 2020 census. Under the current system, General Assembly districts are drawn by the governor, and congressional districts are drawn by the General Assembly."

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-redistricting-killed-20170320-story.html

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Feel free to move to another state that works better for you. :)

would that apply to countries as well?

Like, say a person refused to do a simple act like stand for the flag during the anthem or hated the President so much it just drove them nuts, would you advise them to seek another country?

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In Maryland, the primary authority to draw both congressional and state legislative district lines rests with the state legislature. The governor submits a state legislative redistricting proposal (an advisory commission appointed by the governor assists in drafting this proposal). The state legislature may pass its own plan by joint resolution, which is not subject to gubernatorial veto. If the legislature fails to approve its own plan, the governor's plan takes effect.[14]

Congressional lines are drawn solely by the legislature and may be vetoed by the governor.[14]

The Maryland Constitution requires that state legislative districts be contiguous, compact, and "give 'due regard' for political boundaries and natural features." No such requirements apply to congressional districts.[14]

https://ballotpedia.org/Redistricting_in_Maryland

this quote says the gov does the state legislative districts?

" Under the current system, General Assembly districts are drawn by the governor, and congressional districts are drawn by the General Assembly."

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Feel free to move to a state that gerrymanders for the Republicans, there are plenty.  Better?

More playground Johnny hit me first from someone who agrees with the abuse of power

as long as you like a power being abused in your favor.

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would that apply to countries as well?

Like, say a person refused to do a simple act like stand for the flag during the anthem or hated the President so much it just drove them nuts, would you advise them to seek another country?

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More playground Johnny hit me first from someone who agrees with the abuse of power

as long as you like a power being abused in your favor.

Where did he post that? I don't see it. 

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What exactly am I getting? I'm against gerrymandering by either party. I just don't understand people who complain about Maryland daily but still choose to reside here. If I didn't like it here, I would move to a place better suited for me. Which is why I'm retiring to Delaware instead of biatching about Maryland's retirement taxation policies.

 Funny me to.

But knowing the way things work.....some carpetbagger from MD will get into office and get MD like taxes installed.

I would prefer Florida....fishing is better....and you can carry. What else could a man want from life. Ohhhh better scotch at a better price. That's about it. ;):D

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Funny me to.

But knowing the way things work.....some carpetbagger from MD will get into office and get MD like taxes installed.

I would prefer Florida....fishing is better....and you can carry. What else could a man want from life. Ohhhh better scotch at a better price. That's about it. ;):D

I thought about Florida, but I prefer four seasons. I'd even miss the occasional snow storm, though not the shoveling that comes with it.

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 Funny me to.

But knowing the way things work.....some carpetbagger from MD will get into office and get MD like taxes installed.

I would prefer Florida....fishing is better....and you can carry. What else could a man want from life. Ohhhh better scotch at a better price. That's about it. ;):D

 

Too many bugs. My oldest moved to Georgia almost 2 yrs ago. Wants us to retire there to be around the grandkids. His other brothers say no. Need some grandkids here for Mom Mom to be happy.

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Too many bugs. My oldest moved to Georgia almost 2 yrs ago. Wants us to retire there to be around the grandkids. His other brothers say no. Need some grandkids here for Mom Mom to be happy.

 

I agree re the bugs. We like a change of seasons as well.   We're looking at lower slower Delaware in a few years, that way we can stay relatively close to family, at least the ones that are still alive.  :)

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Too many bugs. My oldest moved to Georgia almost 2 yrs ago. Wants us to retire there to be around the grandkids. His other brothers say no. Need some grandkids here for Mom Mom to be happy.

 

We were going to retire to the NC/SC border when our youngest son announced that they were having a baby.  Looks like we'll be staying in the area so I can be near the little one.

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More playground Johnny hit me first from someone who agrees with the abuse of power

as long as you like a power being abused in your favor.

 

I don't like gerrymandering period.  When someone complains about the Republicans doing it in Nationals, I usually always mention Maryland.

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I don't like gerrymandering period.  When someone complains about the Republicans doing it in Nationals, I usually always mention Maryland.

And in reply, do you get hammered with that "false equivalency" stuff?  ;)

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And in reply, do you get hammered with that "false equivalency" stuff?  ;)

 

It's ok, I've been branded a "leftist".

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It's ok, I've been branded a "leftist".

You too? I'm not alone :D

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You too? I'm not alone :D

 

Same here but at least I'm in good company with you & ivan  :)

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I don't like gerrymandering period.  When someone complains about the Republicans doing it in Nationals, I usually always mention Maryland.

Its always wrong no matter who does it.

To excuse it in a state because some other state for the other party is doing it is just as wrong

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Its always wrong no matter who does it.

To excuse it in a state because some other state for the other party is doing it is just as wrong

Yah think?

To me ...the simplist and most efficient way to do it would be to simply drop a GRID and I mean GRID on the state proportionate to the population. That is, few people bigger grid block....large population smaller grid. So each block (be they dem or rep) on body count is proportionally equal. Just bodies...not party affiliation.

 

Is that too simple or does it make too much sense.

Ohhhh poop.... I forgot that I live in the peoples republic of MD.....it would never fly.

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Soon we will hopefully have an objective test for partisan gerrymandering

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Soon we will hopefully have an objective test for partisan gerrymandering

How so? Did I miss something?

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How so? Did I miss something?

Case in Wisconsin being reviewed has a numerical method.

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Case in Wisconsin being reviewed has a numerical method.

Thanks.....

So even if it proves statistically sound .... I wager it will take MD GA another 15 years to study it to death...or screw up the process that drags it out.

You know....the the Marijuana Licenses. :mad:;):o

 

Funny thing about MD.....got a tax or a fee ....bing bang boom...passed.

 

Anything that might benefit MOST of the tax payers in the state.....things move so slow that it seems like it is going in reverse. I bet the GA is studying bills that are so old and for so long that the have Roman numerals on them.

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Thanks.....

So even if it proves statistically sound .... I wager it will take MD GA another 15 years to study it to death...or screw up the process that drags it out.

You know....the the Marijuana Licenses. :mad:;):o

 

Funny thing about MD.....got a tax or a fee ....bing bang boom...passed.

 

Anything that might benefit MOST of the tax payers in the state.....things move so slow that it seems like it is going in reverse. I bet the GA is studying bills that are so old and for so long that the have Roman numerals on them.

This is likely destined for a Supreme Court case. Kennedy always opined that partisan gerrymandering was just as unconstitutional but sadly there was no objective measure for it. The case I read about (sorry I can't find a link to it yet) developed a measure for it.

 

The concept was the wasted vote and it demonstrated packing.

 

Here it is explained well

 

http://www.brennancenter.org/blog/faceoff-starts-wisconsin-partisan-gerrymandering-case

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Posted (edited)

This is likely destined for a Supreme Court case. Kennedy always opined that partisan gerrymandering was just as unconstitutional but sadly there was no objective measure for it. The case I read about (sorry I can't find a link to it yet) developed a measure for it.

 

The concept was the wasted vote and it demonstrated packing.

 

Here it is explained well

 

http://www.brennancenter.org/blog/faceoff-starts-wisconsin-partisan-gerrymandering-case

 Well maybe just maybe some good will come from the fact that a conservative was put into the Supreme Court .... to re balance things in MD.

Just a hope.

 

But don't you think my grid idea should be implemented? Everywhere?

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Well maybe just maybe some good will come from the fact that a conservative was put into the Supreme Court .... to re balance things in MD.

Just a hope.

 

But don't you think my grid idea should be implemented? Everywhere?

the court moved left with this appointment. This test would apply to everything so it would rebalance PA, OH, MI, WI, FL, NC etc!

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