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So much for fair Redistricting and an end to Gerrymandering


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#41 mrsmlh

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:40 PM

You too? I'm not alone :D

 

Same here but at least I'm in good company with you & ivan  :)



#42 Rocketwolf

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 07:03 AM

I don't like gerrymandering period.  When someone complains about the Republicans doing it in Nationals, I usually always mention Maryland.

Its always wrong no matter who does it.

To excuse it in a state because some other state for the other party is doing it is just as wrong


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#43 Guido2

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 05:20 PM

Its always wrong no matter who does it.

To excuse it in a state because some other state for the other party is doing it is just as wrong

Yah think?

To me ...the simplist and most efficient way to do it would be to simply drop a GRID and I mean GRID on the state proportionate to the population. That is, few people bigger grid block....large population smaller grid. So each block (be they dem or rep) on body count is proportionally equal. Just bodies...not party affiliation.

 

Is that too simple or does it make too much sense.

Ohhhh poop.... I forgot that I live in the peoples republic of MD.....it would never fly.


Edited by Guido2, 15 April 2017 - 09:47 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2017 - 08:02 AM

Soon we will hopefully have an objective test for partisan gerrymandering
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Posted 15 April 2017 - 09:48 AM

Soon we will hopefully have an objective test for partisan gerrymandering

How so? Did I miss something?



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 10:25 AM

How so? Did I miss something?


Case in Wisconsin being reviewed has a numerical method.
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Posted 15 April 2017 - 11:02 AM

Case in Wisconsin being reviewed has a numerical method.

Thanks.....

So even if it proves statistically sound .... I wager it will take MD GA another 15 years to study it to death...or screw up the process that drags it out.

You know....the the Marijuana Licenses. :mad: ;) :o

 

Funny thing about MD.....got a tax or a fee ....bing bang boom...passed.

 

Anything that might benefit MOST of the tax payers in the state.....things move so slow that it seems like it is going in reverse. I bet the GA is studying bills that are so old and for so long that the have Roman numerals on them.


Edited by Guido2, 15 April 2017 - 11:04 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2017 - 12:54 PM

Thanks.....
So even if it proves statistically sound .... I wager it will take MD GA another 15 years to study it to death...or screw up the process that drags it out.
You know....the the Marijuana Licenses. :mad: ;) :o

Funny thing about MD.....got a tax or a fee ....bing bang boom...passed.

Anything that might benefit MOST of the tax payers in the state.....things move so slow that it seems like it is going in reverse. I bet the GA is studying bills that are so old and for so long that the have Roman numerals on them.


This is likely destined for a Supreme Court case. Kennedy always opined that partisan gerrymandering was just as unconstitutional but sadly there was no objective measure for it. The case I read about (sorry I can't find a link to it yet) developed a measure for it.

The concept was the wasted vote and it demonstrated packing.

Here it is explained well

http://www.brennance...ymandering-case
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Posted 16 April 2017 - 09:41 AM

This is likely destined for a Supreme Court case. Kennedy always opined that partisan gerrymandering was just as unconstitutional but sadly there was no objective measure for it. The case I read about (sorry I can't find a link to it yet) developed a measure for it.

The concept was the wasted vote and it demonstrated packing.

Here it is explained well

http://www.brennance...ymandering-case

 Well maybe just maybe some good will come from the fact that a conservative was put into the Supreme Court .... to re balance things in MD.

Just a hope.

 

But don't you think my grid idea should be implemented? Everywhere?


Edited by Guido2, 16 April 2017 - 09:42 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 10:41 AM

Well maybe just maybe some good will come from the fact that a conservative was put into the Supreme Court .... to re balance things in MD.
Just a hope.

But don't you think my grid idea should be implemented? Everywhere?

the court moved left with this appointment. This test would apply to everything so it would rebalance PA, OH, MI, WI, FL, NC etc!
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Posted 17 April 2017 - 11:59 AM

the court moved left with this appointment. This test would apply to everything so it would rebalance PA, OH, MI, WI, FL, NC etc!

Ok now I am confused. How does a addition of a conservative judge (right) make the court move left?



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 03:07 PM

Ok now I am confused. How does a addition of a conservative judge (right) make the court move left?


Do you think he is as conservative as Scalia?
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Posted 17 April 2017 - 03:29 PM

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - 4/9/17 episode is
all about gerrymandering. If you have On Demand it's worth a watch.

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 05:02 PM

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - 4/9/17 episode is
all about gerrymandering. If you have On Demand it's worth a watch.


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#55 Guido2

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 05:02 PM

Do you think he is as conservative as Scalia?

At this point who knows. What we heard or read and what he does could be totally different from what is perceived for good or bad.

But I have to admit that deal with the truck driver has me worried.

But now i know what you were talking about. Thanks.



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 06:15 PM

At this point who knows. What we heard or read and what he does could be totally different from what is perceived for good or bad.
But I have to admit that deal with the truck driver has me worried.
But now i know what you were talking about. Thanks.


I don't think he is at all as conservative as Scalia.
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#57 Guido2

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 07:35 PM

I don't think he is at all as conservative as Scalia.

See you validated what I said.

Who knows. We'll see. My wife can't get pregnant, I am almost ready for Medicare, I have pretty much given up on concealed carry and I am not a minority. So to quote Alfred E. Newman what me worry. :D



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 06:47 AM

When you get right down to it, why should one state end gerrymandering when other states don't. They're just hurting their own party. Seems like there needs to be a national effort to end gerrymandering.


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#59 Guido2

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 07:07 AM

When you get right down to it, why should one state end gerrymandering when other states don't. They're just hurting their own party. Seems like there needs to be a national effort to end gerrymandering.

Addressing your statements by the sentence.

  1.  You have to start somewhere.
  2. The controlling party will never hurt it self...that is why it should be independently studied and implemented
  3. That would mean that the Feds would be involved. Which in turn would mean that the controlling party, in this case Reps. would be in charge. Do you especially you really want that? It would be the same problem we have in most states (germandering) but on steroids.

Hst... I think you are slipping. ;) :)


Edited by Guido2, 18 April 2017 - 07:07 AM.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:58 AM

Addressing your statements by the sentence.

  1.  You have to start somewhere.
  2. The controlling party will never hurt it self...that is why it should be independently studied and implemented
  3. That would mean that the Feds would be involved. Which in turn would mean that the controlling party, in this case Reps. would be in charge. Do you especially you really want that? It would be the same problem we have in most states (germandering) but on steroids.

Hst... I think you are slipping. ;) :)

 

So how is this working out for ya?


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