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#21 jdsample

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:31 AM

Not sure why a contingency plan would be surprising.

There are of course contingency plans for every conceivable conflict.  When you ask for Japan's cooperation, it becomes a contingency plan that has been pulled out of the files for the purpose of executing.  


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:35 AM

LOL, this ^^

Why do you find that so funny?


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:44 AM

I would bet every President from Clinton on has had a contingency plan to attack NK from Bush 1 on.

Looks like this went a bit past the contingency phase since they went to Japan for port approval but really doesn't say much other than NK has been a pain in the *** for decades and will have to be dealt with eventually unless the little sucker gets whacked.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:46 AM

The part left out here is that in 1994 Clinton came to a framework of an agreement with NK to wind down the nuclear program. They actually did stop the enrichment part but in 1996 when the repubs took over Congress the GOP balked at buying their program in the same manner we bought many former Soviet missiles. The agreement bumped along anyway until W became prez and that imbecile tore the whole thing up. Now we are where we are. We would have been nuclear free by now if we didn't have republicans.

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#25 flyboy56

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:00 PM

Seeing as South Korea and North Korea are technically still at war and the US has thousands of troops stationed in South Korea, I'm going to venture a guess that every President since the end of the Korean War has drawn up some type of plan to attack North Korea.

 

The article written by a Japanese news media largely places the blame on the Japanese government for not supporting Clinton's plan to attack NK. 


Edited by flyboy56, 19 April 2017 - 12:00 PM.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:02 PM

http://asia.nikkei.c...-on-North-Korea

 

In 1993, North Korea fired a Rodong medium-range ballistic missile into the Sea of Japan. After that, the world learned that the country might be developing nuclear weapons.

 
 

Then-U.S. President Bill Clinton drew up a plan to strike North Korea's nuclear and related facilities. During a summit with Japanese Prime Minister Morihiro Hosokawa, Clinton secretly asked for Tokyo's cooperation.

 

Japan refused a U.S. request to help with minesweeping operations, citing constitutional restrictions. Japan also disappointed the U.S. by saying there were limits to opening up commercial ports and airports to the U.S.

 

Your point?



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:03 PM

The part left out here is that in 1994 Clinton came to a framework of an agreement with NK to wind down the nuclear program. They actually did stop the enrichment part but in 1996 when the repubs took over Congress the GOP balked at buying their program in the same manner we bought many former Soviet missiles. The agreement bumped along anyway until W became prez and that imbecile tore the whole thing up. Now we are where we are. We would have been nuclear free by now if we didn't have republicans.

https://en.wikipedia...greed_Framework

 

There was also the famous instance when newly sworn in president Bush undercut his South Korean counterparts efforts on North Korea. A huge opportunity lost.



#28 michiganjoe

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:10 PM

When you ask for Japan's cooperation, it becomes a contingency plan that has been pulled out of the files for the purpose of executing.  

 

Not willing to accept that story at face value. The reporting indicates that the Clinton administration simply felt the attack was too risky to carry out. This appears to be nothing more than a standard contingency plan.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:36 PM

There was also the famous instance when newly sworn in president Bush undercut his South Korean counterparts efforts on North Korea. A huge opportunity lost.

North Korea like Cuba has been a relationship that has been on automatic pilot for decades. Cuba has thawed somewhat but nothing about NK relationship has. It's more convenient to assume they are madmen without a lick of self interest.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:36 PM

Seeing as South Korea and North Korea are technically still at war and the US has thousands of troops stationed in South Korea, I'm going to venture a guess that every President since the end of the Korean War has drawn up some type of plan to attack North Korea.

This


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:39 PM

Why do you find that so funny?

If I'm reading alienrace's post correctly I think the LOL applies to the ridiculous topic at hand, and that the "this" part is saying that he concurs with ivanbalt's post


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:49 PM

http://asia.nikkei.c...-on-North-Korea
 
In 1993, North Korea fired a Rodong medium-range ballistic missile into the Sea of Japan. After that, the world learned that the country might be developing nuclear weapons.[/size]
 
 
Then-U.S. President Bill Clinton drew up a plan to strike North Korea's nuclear and related facilities. During a summit with Japanese Prime Minister Morihiro Hosokawa, Clinton secretly asked for Tokyo's cooperation.
 
Japan refused a U.S. request to help with minesweeping operations, citing constitutional restrictions. Japan also disappointed the U.S. by saying there were limits to opening up commercial ports and airports to the U.S.



Anyway we can (also) blame Obama?

As Trump would say, "leaving ALL options open".

#33 ms maggie

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:52 PM

Not sure why a contingency plan would be surprising.


Isn't that kind of SOP?

#34 Dr Johnny Fever

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:00 PM

Isn't that kind of SOP?


I agree and I'm sure somewhere in the bowels of the pentagon is a contingency plan for invading manitoba.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:07 PM

Your point?

 

Refer to post #25.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:10 PM

North Korea like Cuba has been a relationship that has been on automatic pilot for decades. Cuba has thawed somewhat but nothing about NK relationship has. It's more convenient to assume they are madmen without a lick of self interest.

Only a miracle will persuade NK to give up their nuclear ambition. 



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:49 PM

The part left out here is that in 1994 Clinton came to a framework of an agreement with NK to wind down the nuclear program. They actually did stop the enrichment part but in 1996 when the repubs took over Congress the GOP balked at buying their program in the same manner we bought many former Soviet missiles. The agreement bumped along anyway until W became prez and that imbecile tore the whole thing up. Now we are where we are. We would have been nuclear free by now if we didn't have republicans.

https://en.wikipedia...greed_Framework

 

LOL!  Thanks!


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#38 jdsample

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:00 PM

Isn't that kind of SOP?

No one argues that.  Joe's post is a disingenuous distraction, though I don't know why.  Who would blame Clinton for exploring his options?

 

But when you dust off a contingency plan, polish it up and solicit assistance from foreign governments, it is not merely a contingency plan anymore.  


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:01 PM

LOL!  Thanks!

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#40 jdsample

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:04 PM

No problem. Encyclopedias are your friend.

Yes, they are.  Apparently, imaginary alternative universes are your friend


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